Flacco Led NFL In Holding On To Ball Longest

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What do you guys think of this? Receivers too slow or Flacco needs to release the ball quicker? Or both?

[ed.s52]

Both, and btw that is one creepy sig

[ryan23945]

ya he definitely holds the ball too long, especially on 3rd down

[Ravens Lover]

Both because Cam wants to send the Receivers deep when they aren't deep guys so Flacco has to hold on to the ball for them to get open

[berad]

Both, definitely. It's easy to choose a side and attack but both Flacco and the receivers have to improve their play.

BTW, it's not clear in the article whether the 3.1 seconds denotes the time it took the sack to occur or just for the QB to be touched, in general. There's a difference. Flacco's a big dude and will stay up for a little when he gets hit. Just something I noticed with the report.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='sliceanddic3' timestamp='1298508951' post='644477']
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What do you guys think of this? Receivers too slow or Flacco needs to release the ball quicker? Or both?
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I don't like Flacco... but using that "stat" is pretty stupid. Just some guy who says he went back and watched every game and counted up every time a QB held the ball?

I'll just go off what I see... which is that Flacco can't. I don't care how many seconds he holds on to it. Receivers are running open, and he's not getting it to them.

Could the line block better? Sure. Could the receivers be faster? Sure. But that's not going to help Flacco SEE them any better.

And if the Ravens want the blocking to get better, getting rid of McGahee is a VERY bad idea. McGahee is the best pass-blocking back the Ravens have.

[Ed_Reed20]

There are three sides to the issue. Joe was hesitant to throw a lot, the WRs failed to get separation too often and Cam called too many routes that had multiple possession WRs going deep.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1298510509' post='644497']
I don't like Flacco... but using that "stat" is pretty stupid. Just some guy who says he went back and watched every game and counted up every time a QB held the ball?

I'll just go off what I see... which is that Flacco can't. I don't care how many seconds he holds on to it. Receivers are running open, and he's not getting it to them.

[b]Could the line block better? Sure. Could the receivers be faster? Sure. But that's not going to help Flacco SEE them any better.

[/b]And if the Ravens want the blocking to get better, getting rid of McGahee is a VERY bad idea. McGahee is the best pass-blocking back the Ravens have.
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Well, actually you are wrong on that one bro.

Regardless of how much you like Flacco, having more time will give him more time to see the field. And so does not having a defender in his face.

Also, the reciever being faster helps. Not only will more guys be open for Flacco to see but a guy with 20 yards of seperation is easier to spot than a guy with 5 yards of separation.

It does not matter how much you despise Flacco, saying better recievers and O-line play won't help him is absolutely ludacris.

[Romo Ravens]

Three things that come to mind when I think of what Flacco needs to work on:

[b]Quicker reads

Faster drop back

Better accuracy[/b]

If he can work on these, and perfect them, the sky is the limit.

[JonM229]

It seemed like the passing game was at its best during the Chiefs game when the WRs were running inside routes.

[Alexir]

I love this because so many people said he didn't hold on to the ball. Does that mean our offensive line wasn't that bad? He obviously had time to throw and I saw many times when guys were wide open. Is this why Zorn got fired?

[Militant X 1]

here is what one person said in their reply to that article:

[i]"[b]Why does Joe get dissected more than any other young qb in the nfl[/b], when he is either equal or better than the other trio of ryan, freeman, and sanchez statistically and/or in terms of winning?"[/i]

^^^^

this is soooo true!

Joe's game play gets taken apart! i've done some of that myself....lol! i think that it is due to the fact that we can all see the potential that is in this cat. Joe is big, has a strong arm and can make every throw asked of him. and we Ravens fans (at least i do) expect him to play up to his potential and when he doesn't, we fans (at least me) are frustrated. we all (especially me) expect great things from Flacco. he can be that "Franchise" QB that we Ravens fans desire. all he has to do is to continue to work on his reads, footwork and release and no doubt, if and when given time to throw, he can pick any defense apart. his PA is outstanding! overall, Flacco is improving and will continue to do so.

[Corvus]

I've seen these threads piling up ragging on Flacco since the season ended and I've mostly ignored them. It's ridiculous the amount of blowback from fans and the media that Joe has been the focus of. Can Flacco improve in multiple aspects of his game? Absolutely, the guy is just entering his 4th year and this is one area he needs to improve (ridiculous "stat" though anyway). Everyone who is after Flacco's arse answer me this: who is better out there for this team to win right now? Anyone? There isn't anyone who is a better option that this team can get and if you are interested in deluding yourself into thinking there is, feel free to continue with that train of thought. Flacco has outplayed ALL of the other young QBs drafted from '08 onward when you look at their entire bodies of work. Yes, he needs to step up and show he can be this team's "franchise" QB, but he has already shown a lot in his 3 years in the league at the most important and toughest position to man in the league. The bottom line is that all this undue pressure has been heaped upon him due to his early success and people have really been expecting too much the past couple of seasons. The kid will continue to get better and this team's chances of winning a Super Bowl in this closing window will increase. Whew, that is all...

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1298525926' post='644617']
I've seen these threads piling up ragging on Flacco since the season ended and I've mostly ignored them. It's ridiculous the amount of blowback from fans and the media that Joe has been the focus of. Can Flacco improve in multiple aspects of his game? Absolutely, the guy is just entering his 4th year and this is one area he needs to improve (ridiculous "stat" though anyway). Everyone who is after Flacco's arse answer me this: who is better out there for this team to win right now? Anyone? There isn't anyone who is a better option that this team can get and if you are interested in deluding yourself into thinking there is, feel free to continue with that train of thought. Flacco has outplayed ALL of the other young QBs drafted from '08 onward when you look at their entire bodies of work. Yes, he needs to step up and show he can be this team's "franchise" QB, but he has already shown a lot in his 3 years in the league at the most important and toughest position to man in the league. The bottom line is that all this undue pressure has been heaped upon him due to his early success and people have really been expecting too much the past couple of seasons. The kid will continue to get better and this team's chances of winning a Super Bowl in this closing window will increase. Whew, that is all...
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Oh man, you might not wanna let a certain anonymous person(not mentioning names) see this! I can already hear the trade offers for Flacco and a first to SF for Troy

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='JonM229' timestamp='1298515585' post='644539']
It seemed like the passing game was at its best during the Chiefs game when the WRs were running inside routes.
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That's probably because that's what our receiving corps is actually good at. It works, so obviously Cam couldn't use it. How we even got that sort of thing in one game is beyond me.

I have a hard time putting it on Flacco when we had O-line issues, and all our problems were exacerbated by the fact that Cam is an idiot and doesn't understand the concept of playing to your players' strengths.

[Guest RBates]

No surprise here. For the people saying this was because of the o-line, you are partly right, but a very small part. Blame the receivers all you want, but Flacco needs to do better at reading coverages, and getting the ball out quicker.

[littleray27]

Man people why even get bothered by the media or whoever it is that wants to ride Flacco so hard? Would people still be bothered if he wasn't getting any kind of attention at all (outside of Baltimore) is where I'm trying to go with this? It's a lose/lose situation, he gets ridiculed and people aren't happy, he doesn't get no press and people aren't happy. Well hey at least the kid is getting some kind of press/attention, he is obviously on the minds of alot of people outside of Baltimore.

[ravensdfan]

I would agree that there were times that Flacco held onto the ball too long but this "method" takes nothing else into account. Did the O line collapse and Flacco was running in the backfield? Were all the receivers covered? Did Cam (as per his norm) have all the receivers running routes that take forever to develop? Flacco had 10 INTs all season long. If he'd dumped the ball into tight coverage (rather than take a sack) on some of these occasions than the Flacco bashers would be talking about how he had too many INTs. Flacco needs some improvement on his release and making a quicker decision to throw the ball away if nothing is there, that's true. But in no way does this so-called statistic mean anything due to the way it was garnered.

[Free Agent]

One think Flacco does is he set his eyes on one receiver like Mason and doesnt take his eyes off of him for most of the play. His receivers do need to get open faster but Flacco also needs to do a more thorough sweep of the field before he throws the ball.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='JonM229' timestamp='1298515585' post='644539']
It seemed like the passing game was at its best during the Chiefs game when the WRs were running inside routes.
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Yup, when Cam used the middle of the field with Heap, the offense moved up and down the field at will... we need to do that a lot more often this coming season and give Boldin a chance to do work after the catch.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1298553905' post='644659']
One think Flacco does is he set his eyes on one receiver like Mason and doesnt take his eyes off of him for most of the play. His receivers do need to get open faster but Flacco also needs to do a more thorough sweep of the field before he throws the ball.
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that is the point. i think he gets rid of the ball fast enough. but he stares receivers down. there were at least ten times when boldin was that wide open that it could have been a touchdown if he could have gotten the ball but flacco was all away with his eyes.

never the less is this a thing that can be teached to a young guy like him. i think he is doing great so far and a lot of criticism aren´t fair because most of the people out threre compare him to manning or brady or brees. but he is getting in his 4th year like someone said before and i am okay with his progression. i think one day he could be the best in the league. not of all times but in the league at a certain point of time.

we will se grat things from him the next years and i am proud of having him instead of some big mouth like sanchez...

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1298553010' post='644658']
I would agree that there were times that Flacco held onto the ball too long but this "method" takes nothing else into account. Did the O line collapse and Flacco was running in the backfield? Were all the receivers covered? Did Cam (as per his norm) have all the receivers running routes that take forever to develop? Flacco had 10 INTs all season long. If he'd dumped the ball into tight coverage (rather than take a sack) on some of these occasions than the Flacco bashers would be talking about how he had too many INTs. Flacco needs some improvement on his release and making a quicker decision to throw the ball away if nothing is there, that's true. But in no way does this so-called statistic mean anything due to the way it was garnered.
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This says it all. Sacks>Int. And it doesn't take into account a lot of factors, such as scrambling, routes being ran, etc.