Rumor: Ravens Likely To Cut Willis Mcgahee

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1298519702' post='644577']
Apparently Parmele ran a 4.47 40 at combine....He looks wayyyyyyyyyyyy slower than that. Like a 7.44 40....

But I like his work ethic, and if he busts his butt this offseason, I would like to see him get 40% of RB carries. He could be a great bruiser.
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40% may be a little much. I'd expect closer to 20% if 30% goes to McClain and 50% to Rice.

[flynismo]

Wow, you guys are crazy. Rice should be getting no less than 80% of the carries.

[austrianravensfan]

What do you guys think of reggie bush, he's set to make a QBs money this and will be likely cut by the saints.
i've never been a fan of reggie, but that speed dimension at RB would be nice I think.

[Alexir]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1298520721' post='644584']
40% may be a little much. I'd expect closer to 20% if 30% goes to McClain and 50% to Rice.
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I don't want McClain getting any carries. I rather just let him go and get his pay day, and we will get a power blocking back.

[Alexir]

[quote name='austrianravensfan' timestamp='1298549837' post='644655']
What do you guys think of reggie bush, he's set to make a QBs money this and will be likely cut by the saints.
i've never been a fan of reggie, but that speed dimension at RB would be nice I think.
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Too much like Rice. We need a North/South runner that no one wants to tackle.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1298548248' post='644650']
Wow, you guys are crazy. Rice should be getting no less than 80% of the carries.
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I don't know, I just really like a two-back system. I mean I don't know how well McClain would do in that role, so I'm not really sure, but if we wanted to give him a good amount of carries 30% would be reasonable imo.

And it also depends on how much we like Parmele. If we like him to go to a 3 back system like the cowboys (which I'd strongly doubt) there is no way Rice would get 80%. If we don't think he could handle it (which I'd expect) those carries would likely go back to Rice making it 30-70.


Either way, regardless of how we distribute the carries or who we add to our backfield, we shouldn't let Lerron go because that dude goes beast mode plain and simple.

[austrianravensfan]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1298566880' post='644746']
Too much like Rice. We need a North/South runner that no one wants to tackle.
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So let's stick with Le'ron, he can run the ball everybody knows that, he's big tuff and low, if we need a someone who's punishing defenders, Le'ron is the right guy.
He just needs to get rid of his twitter account.

[TDubbs]

I have been as big a fan as any of my man Willis. He brings it every time he gets a touch, always a threat to score. He is old, but has preserved himself well and still has years ahead. Unfortunately, his presence commands a good percentage of touches and money. We have to cut him thats the truth. Rice,Flacco, Ngata all are going to get their money no matter what, they are the core on off. Id hate to see a talent such as Leron leave town. We drafted him, coached his potential and now im fairly sure he can backup Rice. Hes the perfect complimentary back, let someone else block for him for a change, he can move the ball.

[CantTouchThis]

Although he has a lot of talent the fact is there are some very talented RB's in this years draft who could take his place. Would a guy like the Illinois RB be a good fit as a little bigger back then ray rice or would mark ingram be a good player to trade up for?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='CantTouchThis' timestamp='1298848357' post='646441']
Although he has a lot of talent the fact is there are some very talented RB's in this years draft who could take his place. Would a guy like the Illinois RB be a good fit as a little bigger back then ray rice or would mark ingram be a good player to trade up for?
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No way. Ingram is considered 1st round prospect and Leshoure likely won't make it out of the 2nd round. There's no reason for the team to draft a RB that early.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='austrianravensfan' timestamp='1298574311' post='644820']
So let's stick with Le'ron, he can run the ball everybody knows that, he's big tuff and low, if we need a someone who's punishing defenders, Le'ron is the right guy.
He just needs to get rid of his twitter account.
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McClain isnt that great of a runner, in fact Id be willing to bet Parmele has better vision and cut back ability than McCLain. McClain is a 1 hole runner who NEEDS a FB, that hole closes, or the FB doesnt blow the hole wide open and McClain gets 2 yards. Theres guys later in the draft who have some pop when they run, but are actual HBs. McClain is not a natural HB and is not a prototypical FB. Someone out there may be able to utilize his talents (Pats maybe) to the fullest, but we can't in Baltimore with Rice in front of him, and us being a power running team.

[BloodRaven]

Parmele isnt as agile or as fast as McClain in pads, I don't care what his 40 was he's a 270lb FB in a 220lb body.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1298885623' post='646655']
[b]Parmele isnt as agile or as fast as McClain in pads[/b], I don't care what his 40 was he's a 270lb FB in a 220lb body.
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If that was the case, why wasn't Le'Ron returning kicks when seemingly no on wanted the job? Le'Ron is a nifty but he's not more agile or faster than Parmele.

[yakraven]

There are few if any people on NFL.com or NFL Total Access that I trust to report anything
as fact, least of all when they are based on Preston's so-called reporting in the Sun.
Oz has said nothing will happen w/ players until after Mar 3.
So why are we playing rumor, rumor, whao has the rumor.
Harbs has stated he hopes that Willis is on the Ravens next year; Willis has stated he wants
to be a Raven next year.
We went thru this whole "cut Willis", "trade Willis" routine last year going into the draft
and here we go again.
The team has said they are giving Le'Ron a chance to test the waters, to see what his worth is;
they aren't going to cut Willis

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1298913547' post='646751']
If that was the case, why wasn't Le'Ron returning kicks when seemingly no on wanted the job? Le'Ron is a nifty but he's not more agile or faster than Parmele.
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If that was the case, why isn't Parmele ahead of Le'Ron on the HB depth chart? how many 220lb HB's run a mid 4.4 and fall to the 6th round? or plays in 16 games with no carries? the guy passes the eyeball test but changes direction like an ocean liner.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1298949558' post='647214']
If that was the case, why isn't Parmele ahead of Le'Ron on the HB depth chart? how many 220lb HB's run a mid 4.4 and fall to the 6th round? or plays in 16 games with no carries? the guy passes the eyeball test but changes direction like an ocean liner.
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Parmele is the 3rd RB. With Rice, McGahee and McClain all shining since '08, of course he wasn't going to get carries.

He doesn't have great lateral quickness but I don't believe McClain's is any better, or that he's faster.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1298885623' post='646655']
Parmele isnt as agile or as fast as McClain in pads, I don't care what his 40 was he's a 270lb FB in a 220lb body.
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I would really bet against that statement. McClain has neither straight line speed, or agility.

[berad]

McClain has 'wiggle', he can manipulate himself well enough to break down a LB and get past him, but I don't think I would call that agility. Didn't he tackle himself, in the open field, versus the Bills?

[img]http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2010-10/57027076.jpg [/img]

to...

[img]http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2010-10/177189620-24175338.jpg [/img]

without being touched. I remember the play very vividly, as I was rolling for a minute afterwards

[berad]

Actually, I found it - [color="#0000FF"][url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010102402/2010/REG7/bills@ravens#tab:watch"]~1:43 in the highlights[/url][/color]

[Ed_Reed20]

That was hilarious.

[Bltravens]

lol my old lady was rolling when that happened and I was just sitting there like, nooooo waaaaaay

[Militant X 1]

that was hilarious! i remember when that happened to McClain that i was thinking..."and he says that he wants to run the ball more and be more involved in the offense?" after that? LOL!

[ryan23945]

he broke his own ankles, sick crossover hahaha

[BloodRaven]

I don't get why everyone jumps on the hate bandwagon because someone is leaving. I don't remember anyone making jokes about his lack of rushing ability when he was our ground game 3 years ago, and I sure don't remember anyone last season saying he can't run the ball . Also remind me what Parmele has done in his career besides show that he can't return for crap.

[berad]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1298972273' post='647338']
I don't get why everyone jumps on the hate bandwagon because someone is leaving. I don't remember anyone making jokes about his lack of rushing ability when he was our ground game 3 years ago, and I sure don't remember anyone last season saying he can't run the ball . Also remind me what Parmele has done in his career besides show that he can't return for crap.
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I love LeRon McClain, Blood. I like the swagger he brings, the fact that he's a much better blocker than people give him credit for, and I actually adore his running style. Nothing wrong with the wiggle. I was just saying he's not overly fast or agile, but you don't really need that in a powerback.

In my ideal situation, the team cuts McGahee, re-signs McClain, and gives McClain a lot more touches in the upcoming season.

[BloodRaven]

Well if McClain takes 100-150 snaps does he still block for Rice? because it seems likely we're going to cut McKie again, but then who lead blocks for McClain?

[berad]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1298990101' post='647381']
Well if McClain takes 100-150 snaps does he still block for Rice? because it seems likely we're going to cut McKie again, but then who lead blocks for McClain?
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Cameron's running offenses are built with strong, lead-blocking fullbacks. I'd presume McClain still does a good deal of blocking and we sign a more block-oriented FB or H-back.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1298972273' post='647338']
I don't get why everyone jumps on the hate bandwagon because someone is leaving. I don't remember anyone making jokes about his lack of rushing ability when he was our ground game 3 years ago, and I sure don't remember anyone last season saying he can't run the ball . Also remind me what Parmele has done in his career besides show that he can't return for crap.
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There is no "hate bandwagon" and no is saying he can't run the football. What McClain did in '08 is smash-mouth football at it's finest. The debate was between him and Parmele in regards to speed and lateral quickness.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1298972273' post='647338']
I don't get why everyone jumps on the hate bandwagon because someone is leaving. I don't remember anyone making jokes about his lack of rushing ability when he was our ground game 3 years ago, and I sure don't remember anyone last season saying he can't run the ball . Also remind me what Parmele has done in his career besides show that he can't return for crap.
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Theres no hate, Im telling it like it is. McClain is not a natural HB, you'd be crazy as a team to make him your #1 HB, or even give him over 200 carries. Then when you combine the fact he's going to command more money than the highest paid FB, and somewhere inbetween of what a high paid #2 HB gets. Really if you had the choice would you make McClain the highest paid FB in the league, or find a late round power back who is an actual HB. Personally I'd keep McKie and find a late round power back and save the cap space.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1299001871' post='647494']
There is no "hate bandwagon" and no is saying he can't run the football. What McClain did in '08 is smash-mouth football at it's finest. The debate was between him and Parmele in regards to speed and lateral quickness.
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That was directed at PITCH52BLACK, not anything you directly said.

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1299006284' post='647539']
Theres no hate, Im telling it like it is. McClain is not a natural HB, you'd be crazy as a team to make him your #1 HB, or even give him over 200 carries. Then when you combine the fact he's going to command more money than the highest paid FB, and somewhere inbetween of what a high paid #2 HB gets. Really if you had the choice would you make McClain the highest paid FB in the league, or find a late round power back who is an actual HB. Personally I'd keep McKie and find a late round power back and save the cap space.
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McClain isn't typical HB but neither was Jerome Bettis, you can count on one hand how many FB's in this league that can step up and carry the rock for a season.