Trade Willis McGahee?

[berad]

I don't think the Ravens really regretted releasing Chester Taylor or Jamal Lewis. Both of those players went on to have pretty successful stints with their new team. Of course, they [i](and, I, personally)[/i] would prefer to keep McGahee but his pay is too high and his production is easily replaced.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297296796' post='636920']
People say this but really, how many teams would start Willis?
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I think there are a couple of teams that would start Willis. Miami would make a lot of sense, and I could see Arizona or Washington having some interest. I just think the 6M salary will turn off pretty much any potential suitor.

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1297306644' post='637035']
I think there are a couple of teams that would start Willis. Miami would make a lot of sense, and I could see Arizona or Washington having some interest. I just think the 6M salary will turn off pretty much any potential suitor.
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Most likely yes. But I think with the success of no names and rookies around the league at RB, Miami will opt to go young than rely upon a 6M dollar contract.

Many teams in the league are switching their ideas on running backs. Its no longer about the big name, but lower contracts at RB. Get guys on their rookie contracts or pull guys from the depth chart.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1297306644' post='637035']
I think there are a couple of teams that would start Willis. Miami would make a lot of sense, and I could see Arizona or Washington having some interest. I just think the 6M salary will turn off pretty much any potential suitor.
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Like Pu said, Miami will probably bring in a younger player with better long-term prospects than trade for Willis. There's a good chance Mark Ingram will be available when they're clock in the draft.

I think the Cards are committed to Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower. The Redskins stockpiled aging RBs last off-season and none were on the active roster by Week 17 -- I don't think they'd make the same mistake again.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297307833' post='637056']
I think the Cards are committed to Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower. The Redskins stockpiled aging RBs last off-season and none were on the active roster by Week 17 -- I don't think they'd make the same mistake again.
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Cards probably are, but they need to rethink it. Beanie isn't ever going to stay healthy and Hightower has too many ups and downs. But once again, can't see their interest in McGahee at a steep price.

I'm sure a ton of teams would love to get him at a discounted price. But if that's the case, he might as well restructure and stay as a Raven.

[Greatness]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The Ravens will be STUPID if they do not somehow retain Willis McGahee.

I personally still believe he should have been the starter and Ray being the change of pace back.

That is all.

[ellicottraven]

hmmmm... interesting concept. Food for thought surely!

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1297311411' post='637117']
I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The Ravens will be STUPID if they do not somehow retain Willis McGahee.

I personally still believe he should have been the starter and Ray being the change of pace back.

That is all.
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That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. However, most ppl will tell you that Rice is the superior option at RB. He offers a dynamic ability to catch the ball out of the backfield that Willis isn't capable of.

[Greatness]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1297314385' post='637146']
That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. However, most ppl will tell you that Rice is the superior option at RB. He offers a dynamic ability to catch the ball out of the backfield that Willis isn't capable of.
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It's no coincidence we went to the AFC Championship game in '08. Two reasons were the cause for that.

- Excellent Scheme (Rex we miss you more than words could show)

- Beast Mode Running Game

I hope Ray-Ray proves me wrong as I love Ray Rice, however, I haven't believed and I'll probably never believe he's a 20-25 carry back. But to be honest I don't care who gets the ball. I just want my '08 running game back. Ground with Willis, Pound with McClain and play-make with Ray Rice. But I firmly believe we're a better team with Willis than without and it would be foolish to let him walk.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1297364161' post='637448']
It's no coincidence we went to the AFC Championship game in '08. Two reasons were the cause for that.

- Excellent Scheme (Rex we miss you more than words could show)

- Beast Mode Running Game

I hope Ray-Ray proves me wrong as I love Ray Rice, however, I haven't believed and I'll probably never believe he's a 20-25 carry back. But to be honest I don't care who gets the ball. I just want my '08 running game back. Ground with Willis, Pound with McClain and play-make with Ray Rice. But I firmly believe we're a better team with Willis than without and it would be foolish to let him walk.
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No coincidence? I thought it was because our Defense forced a combined 8 turnovers in 2 straight Postseason games. In 13 games, and 8 starts, Willis couldn't even amass 700 rushing yards. You love Ray Rice, yet being the 2nd and 3rd leading RB in overall yards for 2 years isn't enough for you. Did we suddenly fall off the map as soon as Willis was delegated to his backup role? I thought we went to the Playoffs in both of the following years, and dominated in the Wildcard before losing in the next round. Was it McGahee who began our 2009 Playoff campaign with a 80+ yard TD? No. In 8 Seasons, he averaged over 4.1 YPC on 1 mere occasion, as our 2nd string RB. Rice's 4.0 was the worst of his career. You want your '08 running game back? The one where our FB out-gained Willis by 231 yards, while they both averaged a mediocre 3.9 YPC? Not the '09 Season wherein Rice rushed for 1,339 with a 5.3 by himself? We exited early the last 3 years, so how the '08 Season justifies anything about our backfield is beyond me. It's not as if he's never seen the workload before in his life. The guy amassed almost 4,000 rushing yards in 26 College games. Let's be serious.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1297370121' post='637528']
No coincidence? I thought it was because our Defense forced a combined 8 turnovers in 2 straight Postseason games. In 13 games, and 8 starts, Willis couldn't even amass 700 rushing yards. You love Ray Rice, yet being the 2nd and 3rd leading RB in overall yards for 2 years isn't enough for you. Did we suddenly fall off the map as soon as Willis was delegated to his backup role? I thought we went to the Playoffs in both of the following years, and dominated in the Wildcard before losing in the next round. Was it McGahee who began our 2009 Playoff campaign with a 80+ yard TD? No. In 8 Seasons, he averaged over 4.1 YPC on 1 mere occasion, as our 2nd string RB. Rice's 4.0 was the worst of his career. You want your '08 running game back? The one where our FB out-gained Willis by 231 yards, while they both averaged a mediocre 3.9 YPC? Not the '09 Season wherein Rice rushed for 1,339 with a 5.3 by himself? We exited early the last 3 years, so how the '08 Season justifies anything about our backfield is beyond me. It's not as if he's never seen the workload before in his life. The guy amassed almost 4,000 rushing yards in 26 College games. Let's be serious.
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Hell Ray Rice damn near single handedly won the first playoff game in 09 for us. His fist two seasons were very good in both carries and yards.

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1297272601' post='636546']
Isn't Jalen Parmale still on the roster? It would be nice to see him get on the field before his rookie contract expires.
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He is still on the roster and honestly, after signing Mckee at FB. Realistically, I can see the ravens either letting willis go either via trade, or released (if not restructured) and McClain being our second back, which would also be a nice compliment to Rice. Or I can see Willis restructuring and McClain going. I'd be confident with Rice, McClain, Parmalee and possibly a RFA running back next year.

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297307833' post='637056']
Like Pu said, Miami will probably bring in a younger player with better long-term prospects than trade for Willis. There's a good chance Mark Ingram will be available when they're clock in the draft.

I think the Cards are committed to Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower. The Redskins stockpiled aging RBs last off-season and none were on the active roster by Week 17 -- I don't think they'd make the same mistake again.
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I could see the Broncos going after Willis.

[PuRock]

[quote name='organizedchaos007' timestamp='1297372006' post='637555']
I could see the Broncos going after Willis.
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Possibly. Its yet to be seen what the new regime in Denver will be like. But if I had to guess, a new regime would also like to retool, loading up specifically young guys.

Bailey, Gaffney, Buckhalter a lot of the vets could be gone in Denver.

[Free Agent]

There may be a team out there that would trade for Willis, even if they dont think he would start, just to use him as a goal line back.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1297296271' post='636908']
3.8 ypc for 25th in the NFL is pretty broken, to me. We were dreadful running the ball, relatively, this season. Saying otherwise is only kidding yourself.

You've been warned about posting off-topic things in on-going threads. Joe Flacco and Michael Vick have nothing to do with McGahee's situation. Besides, how many Super Bowls has Vick been to?
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This is why we love you berad.
First you stay on topic, then you address guy whom forgot where he puts his brain to stay on topic, then you go off topic in response. Not only is it funny, it saves a new thread that would just be mikeyboy and edreedfromtheu congratulating each other on how smart they are.
I'm gonna go reverse order of you and get on topic now.
RB's are not hard to find in this league or really in any draft. I think we have the cornerstones of a great running game with the line (as long as Gaither comes back) a good FB (assuming Le'Ron comes back), and Ray Rice. Willis is still a good RB, but he is definitely not getting any better. If we have the option to bring a new guy in, then by all means we should trade Willis while we can, if it isn't too late. But if not I am perfectly fine with him taking a pay cut and staying because it is so exciting what that man can do when he gets around the 20 and sees the goal line.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1297364161' post='637448']
It's no coincidence we went to the AFC Championship game in '08. Two reasons were the cause for that.

[b]- Excellent Scheme (Rex we miss you more than words could show)[/b]

- Beast Mode Running Game

I hope Ray-Ray proves me wrong as I love Ray Rice, however, I haven't believed and I'll probably never believe he's a 20-25 carry back. But to be honest I don't care who gets the ball. I just want my '08 running game back. Ground with Willis, Pound with McClain and play-make with Ray Rice. But I firmly believe we're a better team with Willis than without and it would be foolish to let him walk.
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How many championships did Ryan's defensive schemes get us? Oh

[PuRock]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1297382074' post='637682']
There may be a team out there that would trade for Willis, even if they dont think he would start, just to use him as a goal line back.
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A 6M goal line back sounds expensive.

[berad]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1297385965' post='637723']
This is why we love you berad.
First you stay on topic, then you address guy whom forgot where he puts his brain to stay on topic, then you go off topic in response. Not only is it funny, it saves a new thread that would just be mikeyboy and edreedfromtheu congratulating each other on how smart they are.
I'm gonna go reverse order of you and get on topic now.
RB's are not hard to find in this league or really in any draft. I think we have the cornerstones of a great running game with the line (as long as Gaither comes back) a good FB (assuming Le'Ron comes back), and Ray Rice. Willis is still a good RB, but he is definitely not getting any better. If we have the option to bring a new guy in, then by all means we should trade Willis while we can, if it isn't too late. But if not I am perfectly fine with him taking a pay cut and staying because it is so exciting what that man can do when he gets around the 20 and sees the goal line.
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Haha yeah, I did get kind of hypocritical there And I love you, too, I just wish you would've told me in person.

On-topic: Willis is certainly replaceable. Talented runners are always floating around the league and we were lucky to have three of them for a while.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1297364161' post='637448']
It's no coincidence we went to the AFC Championship game in '08. Two reasons were the cause for that.

- Excellent Scheme (Rex we miss you more than words could show)

- Beast Mode Running Game

I hope Ray-Ray proves me wrong as I love Ray Rice, however, I haven't believed and I'll probably never believe he's a 20-25 carry back. But to be honest I don't care who gets the ball. I just want my '08 running game back. Ground with Willis, Pound with McClain and play-make with Ray Rice. But I firmly believe we're a better team with Willis than without and it would be foolish to let him walk.
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Its been discussed ad nauseum that Rex's actual was/is very similar to what we've seen from the Ravens the last few years. It boils down to peronnel and execution.

As for the Rice comments, wow! Just wow!!

With a formidable oline, dude had OVER 2,000 all purpose yeards. Again, just wow!

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1297387845' post='637744']Its been discussed ad nauseum that Rex's actual was/is very similar to what we've seen from the Ravens the last few years.  It boils down to peronnel and execution.As for the Rice comments, wow!  Just wow!!With a formidable oline, dude wowd OVER 2,000 all purpose yeards.  Again, just wow![/quote]
I agree about Rice. I think that a lot of fans undervalue him, and I have no idea why. If it wasn't for his '09 nutty, you can turn that 9-7 record around and we'd probably be 7-9 without him.

Point is, the offensive line sucked this year, that's why Rice was a patient runner. He had 1,220 yards rushing and over 500 receiving. I mean, come one now. If it wasn't for Dancin' McGahee stealing his goal line touches, Rice could have easily had over 10 TD's.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1297387812' post='637743']
Haha yeah, I did get kind of hypocritical there And I love you, too, I just wish you would've told me in person.

On-topic: Willis is certainly replaceable. Talented runners are always floating around the league and we were lucky to have three of them for a while.
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I don't really know how to address that...lol
But not really much benefit in having 3 capable runners when you don't use 2 of them much. That's why I think having a guy next to Willis that is completely opposite of him could help the most. Rice would be in on obvious passing situations, and take at least half the other snaps. Whatever the situation is next year I hope Rice gets new cleats. The boy slips way too much!

[ravens rule]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1297389505' post='637763']
I don't really know how to address that...lol
But not really much benefit in having 3 capable runners when you don't use 2 of them much. That's why I think having a guy next to Willis that is completely opposite of him could help the most. Rice would be in on obvious passing situations, and take at least half the other snaps. Whatever the situation is next year I hope Rice gets new cleats. The boy slips way too much!
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I noticed he does slip a lot, too

[BMOREHAWAII]

The worst part about running back's is that their the most expendable player on the team. Especially someone with that age, we should cut our losses get McClain his money. He is a power back and can prove more versatile with a surprise factor type of deal. Besides thatm he could be our Peyton Hillis.. Just saying.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1297411576' post='637914']
The worst part about running back's is that their the most expendable player on the team. Especially someone with that age, we should cut our losses get McClain his money. He is a power back and can prove more versatile with a surprise factor type of deal. Besides thatm he could be our Peyton Hillis.. Just saying.
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Yep that's what I've been saying. So many teams are having success with rookie RBs and guys on their depth charts. That High priced RBs are sort of not necessary. Ofcourse you'll have guys like C Johnson or A Peterson that need to be kept and given money too. But the rest of the pack are pretty much expendable.

I think its also affected because college RBs are already blocking and running in NFL style schemes in College that they are one of the most ready positions for the NFL. They also have one of the smallest shelf lives.

[fistfullwales]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1297273827' post='636571']
I don't know what you can get for him though, he'd probably be willing to restructure his contract, but we could always try to get a bad deal with a poorly run organization that wears black and silver.
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Raiders already have plenty of backs. Teams that POSSIBLY could use Willis as their number 1 and might be willing to pay him his current contract are; Lions, Broncos, Cardinals, Seahawks.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1297391217' post='637776']
I noticed he does slip a lot, too
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It's because he makes so many cuts and goes like horizontal, and of course it always happens more on grass. Maybe his feet are a little too small too.

[berad]

[quote name='fiPlease be quiet.llwales' timestamp='1297438821' post='637978']
Raiders already have plenty of backs. Teams that POSSIBLY could use Willis as their number 1 and might be willing to pay him his current contract are; Lions, Broncos, Cardinals, Seahawks.
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Not sure if McGahee is better than Beast Mode, Wells, or Moreno. Maybe he's better than Javid Best but the Lions wouldn't trade anything for McGahee when they have plenty of other needs.

[fistfullwales]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1297441114' post='637997']
Not sure if McGahee is better than Beast Mode, Wells, or Moreno. Maybe he's better than Javid Best but the Lions wouldn't trade anything for McGahee when they have plenty of other needs.
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I agree its a long shot that anyone would need him as a number one, just thought Id throw out teams that would POSSIBLY use him at #1. He will restructure or get cut.

[berad]

[quote name='fiPlease be quiet.llwales' timestamp='1297441696' post='638003']
I agree its a long shot that anyone would need him as a number one, just thought I thow out teams that would POSSIBLY use him at #1. He will restructure or get cut.
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True. And I agree with that, his contract is the biggest thing halting a trade.