Need Speedy WR?

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297097699' post='634736']
I can't say for sure it won't happen again but the failed experiment that was Figurs should still be fresh in the minds of the front office. I think they would take that into account when looking at speedy, smaller WRs.

I don't believe in any curse or bad luck with the WRs the team has drafted. I always go back to the lack of consistency at the QB position the team has had to endure for a long time. Compound that with the fact the team has opted to put their trust veteran WRs the past two seasons and there really hasn't been a great environment for a young WR to flourish.

The coaches simply has to give young players a sustained opportunity like many other teams do. And they have to trust Flacco to make them look good in some situations.
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I sure hope you're right. About not only being able to overcome the troubles we had before and find a guy, but be able to play him.
And to what I was saying before, I didn't have much time to really respond. But essentially what I was getting at originally was that size and strength are assets that definitely add to a receiver (as long as they are just as good in other aspects), I'm not sure if you were really trying to argue against that or not. If you look at some of the best receivers of past years: Andre Johnson 6'3, R Moss 6'4, C Carter 6'3, Calvin Johnson 6'5, Fitzgerald 6'3 Jerry Rice 6'2. So I think it is safe to say that if a guy has more size (with that usually comes longer arms and bigger hands) without losing from other things such as quickness or agility or body control etc. then he will be a better receiver than a guy almost exactly the same, just smaller and weaker. I think this is ONE of the assets that helps put the guys listed above into an elite category dominated by fellow big men. Now, as you pointed out before, there are very good receivers that aren't tall. Jennings at 5'11, Roddy White at 6'0, and Tim Brown was about 6 also. Those guys have had assets that certainly helped them become who they are, but if they were able to keep those assets and add size and the great things that come with it, then who knows how great they would really be. That is all I was saying, and that is why I would be "more sure" of a guy. Multiple advantages (hands, arms, strength, height) that help receivers dominate.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1297123008' post='635181']
I sure hope you're right. About not only being able to overcome the troubles we had before and find a guy, but be able to play him.
And to what I was saying before, I didn't have much time to really respond. But essentially what I was getting at originally was that size and strength are assets that definitely add to a receiver (as long as they are just as good in other aspects), I'm not sure if you were really trying to argue against that or not. If you look at some of the best receivers of past years: Andre Johnson 6'3, R Moss 6'4, C Carter 6'3, Calvin Johnson 6'5, Fitzgerald 6'3 Jerry Rice 6'2. So I think it is safe to say that if a guy has more size (with that usually comes longer arms and bigger hands) without losing from other things such as quickness or agility or body control etc. then he will be a better receiver than a guy almost exactly the same, just smaller and weaker. I think this is ONE of the assets that helps put the guys listed above into an elite category dominated by fellow big men. Now, as you pointed out before, there are very good receivers that aren't tall. Jennings at 5'11, Roddy White at 6'0, and Tim Brown was about 6 also. Those guys have had assets that certainly helped them become who they are, but if they were able to keep those assets and add size and the great things that come with it, then who knows how great they would really be. That is all I was saying, and that is why I would be "more sure" of a guy. Multiple advantages (hands, arms, strength, height) that help receivers dominate.
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Yep. Giving the players an opportunity is key.

Now I understand, and I agree.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297127747' post='635248']
Yep. Giving the players an opportunity is key.

Now I understand, and I agree.
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I knew it was pretty tough to not agree with that. I have a proposal for you sir: you agree with me all the time. The only time you don't agree is when I don't thoroughly enough explain myself then it goes on and wham we agree. So let's just agree to agree that great minds (ourselves) think alike. It'll save me from long posts in the near future. And just remember, if it doesn't make sense, make it make sense!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1297130445' post='635271']
I knew it was pretty tough to not agree with that. I have a proposal for you sir: you agree with me all the time. The only time you don't agree is when I don't thoroughly enough explain myself then it goes on and wham we agree. So let's just agree to agree that great minds (ourselves) think alike. It'll save me from long posts in the near future. And just remember, if it doesn't make sense, make it make sense!
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I'll keep that mind.

[Free Agent]

id rather go for Santonio Holmes. although if we could get santana moss cheap, then maybe....

[Free Agent]

but i would much rather draft a guy like titus young, or jonathan baldwin, or torrey smith, or leonard hankerson.

[doublerayven]

Santonio has dropitis. But I would take him for the right price, I would take Braylon as well but hes more of a straight line guy. I like versatile speedy guys that can run the whole damn tree (the system favors that as well).

I like Torrey Smith out of Maryland, hes a young junior with great speed. Anything fast and develop it. Gregg Little is someone to take a look at as well. Hes uber physical with good speed, route running, and hands.

Ive heard great things of Reed from Harbaugh himself. He guaranteed Reed would be 'great'. At what idk yet...

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='doublerayven' timestamp='1297196235' post='635794']
Ive heard great things of Reed from Harbaugh himself. He guaranteed Reed would be 'great'. At what idk yet...
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LOL! You mean Harbaugh doesnt know yet. We all are dying to have the man in a position of which he has a chance to show us what he can do ala. Desean Jackson? Reed has top end speed and is bigger than Jackson also..

[doublerayven]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1297197616' post='635815']
LOL! You mean Harbaugh doesnt know yet. We all are dying to have the man in a position of which he has a chance to show us what he can do ala. Desean Jackson? Reed has top end speed and is bigger than Jackson also..
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Maybe now with the vets out of the way (Housh, Stallworth) he will get a chance.

[PuRock]

[quote name='doublerayven' timestamp='1297196235' post='635794']
Santonio has dropitis. But I would take him for the right price, I would take Braylon as well but hes more of a straight line guy. I like versatile speedy guys that can run the whole damn tree (the system favors that as well).
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If that's the case, he'll fit right in! But seriously I think you have them backwards. Braylon has issues with dropping the ball. Santonio has made some clutch catches in the Superbowl and against us. That's tough to argue.

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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1297200035' post='635867']
If that's the case, he'll fit right in! But seriously I think you have them backwards. Braylon has issues with dropping the ball. Santonio has made some clutch catches in the Superbowl and against us. That's tough to argue.
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Holmes over Braylon, no question... V-Jax over Holmes, I'm not so sure, although both have had disciplinary/legal troubles... sometime, though, the Ravens are going to take a real shot on a guy (Stallworth doesn't count since Cam refused to utilize his talent appropriately and consistently)

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[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1297200280' post='635872']
Holmes over Braylon, no question... V-Jax over Holmes, I'm not so sure, although both have had disciplinary/legal troubles... sometime, though, the Ravens are going to take a real shot on a guy (Stallworth doesn't count since Cam refused to utilize his talent appropriately and consistently)
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I'd say Vincent over Santonio based on the amount of Holmes' legal troubles. Another mistake could create a scenario where a suspension for an entire year definitely comes into consideration. Although Jackson was suspended for 3 games, the dispute with the Chargers was voluntary, therefore will not be considered by the league if he has another incident that requires disciplinary action.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1297201252' post='635896']
I'd say Vincent over Santonio based on the amount of Holmes' legal troubles. Another mistake could create a scenario where a suspension for an entire year definitely comes into consideration. Although Jackson was suspended for 3 games, the dispute with the Chargers was voluntary, therefore will not be considered by the league if he has another incident that requires disciplinary action.
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I respect both Holmes and Jackson's talent, but I really don't want to bring guys like them into the organization. Both have a history of questionable decisions, and I would prefer not to bring another headache onto the team. The whole Kindle debacle is more than enough stupidity for me. If we had to take one I'd prefer Santonio, mainly because Jackson is a diva and he showed it with his hold out this season. I definitely don't want us to bring in Edwards because he drops too many balls and also has character concerns.

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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1297203640' post='635968']
I respect both Holmes and Jackson's talent, but I really don't want to bring guys like them into the organization. Both have a history of questionable decisions, and I would prefer not to bring another headache onto the team. The whole Kindle debacle is more than enough stupidity for me. If we had to take one I'd prefer Santonio, mainly because Jackson is a diva and he showed it with his hold out this season. I definitely don't want us to bring in Edwards because he drops too many balls and also has character concerns.
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I'm sort of with you on that one. I was more so deciding in an either/or scenario. The truth is, there are questions about each one of the off the field wise, Edwards included. We'd be better off building through the Draft. But if the opportunity does present itself, at a decent price of course, I wouldn't protest if the Front Office brought in either Holmes or Jackson.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='doublerayven' timestamp='1297198634' post='635843']
Maybe now with the vets out of the way (Housh, Stallworth) he will get a chance.
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I pray we do because he has immense talent, and i hope we give him the opportunity to show it before another team wants to..