Need Speedy WR?

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1297015535' post='633460']
No more Veteran WR's. We need youth
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the term "veteran" is just a nice way of saying...."OLD GUYS!"

i agree with you....the Ravens need youth and speed at the WR spots so that they can grow with Flacco.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297034102' post='633681']
Some times, smaller receivers don't have an issue with press coverage. Greg Jennings, for example, is under 6'0 but mot CBs can't jam him because of his quickness and speed.
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Yes of course there are always exceptions, and I don't think it is enough of a problem to even consider it a "rule". But because of the strength and size other good things come with it like going over someone's back, jumping up for the ball, fighting off illegal contact or PI to help the team even more and etc. I was just saying if we got a young guy who is certainly not proven in the NFL I would feel more comfortable with him not being small so we could be more sure of his success. And furthermore, I don't like when we try to draft those guys where speed is their only asset because it just doesn't work out. Or hasn't yet.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I like how after Stallworth came in to be our "deep threat" but then was regulated to end-arounds, people think they're being slick and amusing by joking that Cam will only use any speedy receivers on end-arounds.

[Milton145]

Exactly. I'd rather just have us go all out defense instead of using a high draft pick on a receiver. I'm sure any defensive guy we get will be used more than a speedy receiver would. You guys have to understand that if we don't use them, it won't matter. We had Stallworth and didn't use him at all.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1297025152' post='633588']
most of u forget how bad our luck with WR's in the draft, name me one WR that we have drafted, that made a pro-bowl or even made a difference in b-more, that's one bad area that ozzie's team are struggling in, com'on man, moss has a blazing speed, he might be cheap 2 sign too,just think about this:

moss---mase--gaither-grubbs-birk-yanda-ohr----reed/stalworth-Q
---------------------------flacco----------------------------
----------------------------rice---------------------------
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I don't buy into luck, even though we're a run heavy team we don't seem to utilise our receivers properly, they tend to have more success outside of our organisation.

[RLewis52]

Sure young recievers are great to have their fast and are new talent but you cant say Stallworth and TJ wernt fast, it is good to have knowledge on the field, look what happened ro the Pats, they were to young

[sandwich]

I'm all for getting young recievers but... if Santonio is available we should get him. The guy is clutch and a game breaker.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='BALTIMOREFLACCO' timestamp='1297029740' post='633628']
Draft Torrey Smith!!!! He runs a 4.3 and is 6-1
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6' 1" isn't that big for a receiver, and Torrey Smith is really overrated as a prospect. Leonard Hankerson is the guy we really should be looking at.

On Santana Moss, he's definitely lost a step and I was never that impressed with him to begin with. We'd be better off looking to the draft for another receiver rather than picking him up.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1297037680' post='633775']
Yes of course there are always exceptions, and I don't think it is enough of a problem to even consider it a "rule". But because of the strength and size other good things come with it like going over someone's back, jumping up for the ball, fighting off illegal contact or PI to help the team even more and etc. I was just saying if we got a young guy who is certainly not proven in the NFL I would feel more comfortable with him not being small so we could be more sure of his success. And furthermore, I don't like when we try to draft those guys where speed is their only asset because it just doesn't work out. Or hasn't yet.
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I wouldn't be "more sure" of a WR just because of his size but to each his own.

To your last point, the Ravens made that mistake with players like Patrick Johnson and Yamon Figurs. I don't see them doing it again.

[ghost1986]

Man you guys keep blowing my mind with all these name drops. Just watched some stuff on Hankerson(once again I never heard of him until you guys mentioned him) and he's another great WR. But then I looked at James Hardy's size and age on here. He's 25(fairly young) and 6-5 220? Crazy. But I'd have to see how these guys hold up in the NFL. And I'm one of the people who had been wishing to see Stallworth work his magic. But we might not. And Housh definitely wasn't slow. He proved that against the Panthers the first play out. I know it's a different position, but everyone thought Tim Tebow would be great(not me) and he's been good, but not amazing. And I'd mention Crabtree, but they have QB issues where he's at. It is hard to say how these guys will do in the NFL. And I also think it depends on who we will let go. If we let go of Stallworth, we might like for a speedy WR. If we let go of Housh, we might look for a physical WR with some speed. It's hard to say. I came on to these boards and feel like I know absolutely nothing about how the NFL.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1297057491' post='634559']
Man you guys keep blowing my mind with all these name drops. Just watched some stuff on Hankerson(once again I never heard of him until you guys mentioned him) and he's another great WR. But then I looked at James Hardy's size and age on here. He's 25(fairly young) and 6-5 220? Crazy. But I'd have to see how these guys hold up in the NFL. And I'm one of the people who had been wishing to see Stallworth work his magic. But we might not. [b]And Housh definitely wasn't slow. He proved that against the Panthers the first play out.[/b] I know it's a different position, but everyone thought Tim Tebow would be great(not me) and he's been good, but not amazing. And I'd mention Crabtree, but they have QB issues where he's at. It is hard to say how these guys will do in the NFL. And I also think it depends on who we will let go. If we let go of Stallworth, we might like for a speedy WR. If we let go of Housh, we might look for a physical WR with some speed. It's hard to say. I came on to these boards and feel like I know absolutely nothing about how the NFL.
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That was more poor coverage than speed from Houshamdzadeh.

[Tonymontana45]

I would rather bring back TJ or Donte then get Moss...

[flynismo]

Santana Moss? Good lord...

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1297065040' post='634587']
Santana Moss? Good lord...
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No kidding right Santana Moss? **** lets actually draft a WR who is good for once.

[Rav'n Maniac]

IMO, we have to go young with many of the positions, not just WR. That's how you keep the cap in line and are able to keep paying your great players. My only problem is with the WR's & TE's, they always seem to make them into a project. In most cases, at least the first year or two, they only get to see the field if they can contribute on ST. If they can't, they are delegated to the practice squad.

Performing in practice is one thing but, you don't truly know what a player can do until they can perform in games. Belichick knows this and is what separates him from other coaches. He finds ways to use all his weapons.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Rav'n Maniac' timestamp='1297072850' post='634601']
[b]IMO, we have to go young with many of the positions, not just WR[/b]. That's how you keep the cap in line and are able to keep paying your great players. My only problem is with the WR's & TE's, they always seem to make them into a project. In most cases, at least the first year or two, they only get to see the field if they can contribute on ST. If they can't, they are delegated to the practice squad.

[b]Performing in practice is one thing but, you don't truly know what a player can do until they can perform in games. Belichick knows this and is what separates him from other coaches. He finds ways to use all his weapons.[/b][/quote]

i agree

[True]

David Reed is fast. Ed Dickson is fast.

Reed would be good on a fly route and Dickson would be good running up the seams.

Those two players need more playing time. No more getting receivers via trade/FA. We have to grow our own.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297054512' post='634521']
I wouldn't be "more sure" of a WR just because of his size but to each his own.

To your last point, the Ravens made that mistake with players like Patrick Johnson and Yamon Figurs. I don't see them doing it again.
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Well I surely hope they wouldn't do it again, but what makes you so sure that they wouldn't? It was a mistake but we have not had luck to this point drafting WR's so who is to say that the curse does break soon?

[Marc2k6]

We need a change in the offensive scheme, we can have the fastest WR in the game but if he is not put in a position to make plays, why does it even matter. It seems that are offensive philosophy is what i call the #1WR check down offense, now this offense can be effective at times but when it is Doritos Crunch time, it seems to crumble.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1297094818' post='634699']
We need a change in the offensive scheme, we can have the fastest WR in the game but if he is not put in a position to make plays, why does it even matter. It seems that are offensive philosophy is what i call the #1WR check down offense, now this offense can be effective at times but when it is Doritos Crunch time, it seems to crumble.
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I think if Cam had a receiver that really fit his system, it would work really well.

I am not sure where this idea of Cam not using speedy receivers comes from. I assume the notion sprang from how Stallworth was utilized, but that stems more from the fact that he was injured the first half of the season than Cam not knowing how to use speed. TJ had already stepped up as the 3rd receiver, not leaving many snaps for Stallworth.

If we had a real speed receiver (preferably with size) throughout TC and the preseason I think he would be a great asset.

I am not trying to defend Cam necessarily, but his vertical offense really requires receivers with speed. The Ravens just havent had the personnel available the past 2 seasons, and Cam is too stubborn to change his schemes to fit the talent availbale.

[y0unghustla]

i been sayin santonio holmes since we lost to pittsburgh

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1297094795' post='634698']
Well I surely hope they wouldn't do it again, but what makes you so sure that they wouldn't? It was a mistake but we have not had luck to this point drafting WR's so who is to say that the curse does break soon?
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I can't say for sure it won't happen again but the failed experiment that was Figurs should still be fresh in the minds of the front office. I think they would take that into account when looking at speedy, smaller WRs.

I don't believe in any curse or bad luck with the WRs the team has drafted. I always go back to the lack of consistency at the QB position the team has had to endure for a long time. Compound that with the fact the team has opted to put their trust veteran WRs the past two seasons and there really hasn't been a great environment for a young WR to flourish.

The coaches simply has to give young players a sustained opportunity like many other teams do. And they have to trust Flacco to make them look good in some situations.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1297016795' post='633479']
Went to Pittsburgh, dont want him. Would love Titus or Torrey though.
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Really, so you wouldn't want Larry Fitzgerald either? The school he went to has nothing to do with anything, especially if he's a beast and could improve this team.

[Alexir]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1297097938' post='634739']
Really, so you wouldn't want Larry Fitzgerald either? The school he went to has nothing to do with anything, especially if he's a beast and could improve this team.
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You make exceptions for guys like Larry Fitzgerald. But Baldwin is no where on his level and never will be.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297029124' post='633623']

Other teams around the league have developed go-to Wrs with [i]arguably[/i] lesser QBs than Flacco throwing them the football. [b]The biggest key is the coaching staff actually giving players an opportunity to shine and gain confidence[/b].
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^This

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1297098067' post='634741']
You make exceptions for guys like Larry Fitzgerald. But Baldwin is no where on his level and never will be.
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But you would take Titus Young early even though he's from the notoriously bad WAC conference? U of Maryland guys scare me abit more than a guy who with Baldwins skill set especially considering the straight crap QBs Baldwin was working with.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1297098067' post='634741']
You make exceptions for guys like Larry Fitzgerald. But Baldwin is no where on his level and never will be.
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Baldwin has Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson potential. You really want to pass up on that because of the school he went to?

[Alexir]

Well since I don't want the organization to spend a first or 2nd rounder on a WR, I doubt Baldwin, Smith or Young will be available.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1297104668' post='634859']
Well since I don't want the organization to spend a first or 2nd rounder on a WR, I doubt Baldwin, Smith or Young will be available.
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You're entitled to not want the team to draft a WR early but there's a good chance Baldwin, Smith and Young will be available when the Ravens pick in the first round. I don't think Young is worthy of a 1st round pick and I'm not a fan of Smith but Baldwin is a rare talent.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297104845' post='634862']
You're entitled to not want the team to draft a WR early but there's a good chance Baldwin, Smith and Young will be available when the Ravens pick in the first round. I don't think Young is worthy of a 1st round pick and I'm not a fan of Smith but Baldwin is a rare talent.
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Hes got pretty good speed, and would be a nightmare in coverage with him streaking down the sideline. This kid can certainly get up and get that ball. He will need some polishing, but I would say his size alone could make him a threat from the get go.