Let's Welcome Gaither Back Today

[Alexir]

Harewood, Oher and Cousins just need to be worked with by....

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11x Pro Bowler Jonathon Ogden (crowd Noise) Rahhhh[img]http://ravens.cdn.ipslink.com/public/style_emoticons/default/banana1.gif[/img][img]http://ravens.cdn.ipslink.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dance.gif[/img]

[Purple&Black Maniac]

I agree with the need for gaither being exposed this year... LT or RT it almost doesn't matter I feel Oher is great at left I do think some of his fals starts were BS but thats the league and how they treat the tough guys of the league... Pitt and baltimore get no love from the league.

Side note... I just read this article "Late For Work 2/4: Newsome, Rosenhaus Met On 3 Clients"

and Eisenberg brings up a gr8 point about McGahee, although his time here has been pretty good, Im thinkn we try and trade him to a team in need for some pick this year... Last year of his contract getting way too much money for 2nd string RB. and with Mcclain being a FA his value is so much greater than Willis' we have seen he can carry a load and open holes for Ray. he can truly get some of the money saved on Willis along with his carries. and we'd kill two birds with one stone get some other young slashng back with some spee to really mix it up and kick parmele to the curb.

[BloodRaven]

Little known fact: If we can get Gaither and Oher to do a Super Saiyen fusion then BLAM! Jonathan Ogden 2

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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296811047' post='632064']
You're being silly now. Injuries happen in the NFL. And I don't think he missed any games due to injuries before 2010. As for his salary, he's still getting paid peanuts. This guy played at a Pro Bowl level for at least 2 years and he was getting paid a few 100k's per season. Compared to Joe Thomas maybe or Jake Long who in my opinion he outplayed, those guys made close to 10 mil. yet Gaither never complained. [b]He didn't even complain about getting shifted to RT, arguably the dumbest move we (it's Cam not "we") made last offseason[/b]. It's not cool to bash Gaither now. He knew he would become an UFA this season. Why would he just fake an injury for no reason? All it would do is lose him a lot of money because of the red flags. So if he was that greedy he would have played his butt off (injury or not) so that he could get a huge contract and go somewhere else. But he sat out the season which convinces me that he's not all about money and that he did have some serious issues with his back. So it's not fair to bash him now.

We need to re-sign him unless his back is career threatening which just isn't the case, we haven't heard anything like that being reported. The last report I read like a week ago stated that Jared is healthy now and ready to go.
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Still waiting on proof that Cam was the one who called for the switch by himself.

[tweety]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296811047' post='632064']
You're being silly now. Injuries happen in the NFL. And I don't think he missed any games due to injuries before 2010. As for his salary, he's still getting paid peanuts. This guy played at a Pro Bowl level for at least 2 years and he was getting paid a few 100k's per season. Compared to Joe Thomas maybe or Jake Long who in my opinion he outplayed, those guys made close to 10 mil. yet Gaither never complained. He didn't even complain about getting shifted to RT, arguably the dumbest move we (it's Cam not "we") made last offseason. It's not cool to bash Gaither now. He knew he would become an UFA this season. Why would he just fake an injury for no reason? All it would do is lose him a lot of money because of the red flags. So if he was that greedy he would have played his butt off (injury or not) so that he could get a huge contract and go somewhere else. But he sat out the season which convinces me that he's not all about money and that he did have some serious issues with his back. So it's not fair to bash him now.

We need to re-sign him unless his back is career threatening which just isn't the case, we haven't heard anything like that being reported. The last report I read like a week ago stated that Jared is healthy now and ready to go.
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Gaither definitely complained about the shift and complained because he want LT money.

I hope we keep Gaithers over McClain though.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296835454' post='632130']


Still waiting on proof that Cam was the one who called for the switch by himself.
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He's the head coach of that offense, he OK's everything that happens in there. It's hilarious how no matter what people say about Cam you always show up quickly to respond "do you have any proof that Cam did that [by himself]". And then you expect somebody to show you video footage or something. If you don't realize that he's the head of that offense and that nobody shuffles guys around on that O-Line without getting his OK first then I don't know what to say.

Also listen to his interviews in the offseason.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296850904' post='632315']
He's the head coach of that offense, he OK's everything that happens in there. It's hilarious how no matter what people say about Cam you always show up quickly to respond "do you have any proof that Cam did that [by himself]". And then you expect somebody to show you video footage or something. If you don't realize that he's the head of that offense and that nobody shuffles guys around on that O-Line without getting his OK first then I don't know what to say.

Also listen to his interviews in the offseason.
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When unjustified claims are made, I question them. When I know can prove those claims wrong, I do so.

Cam controlling the offense for the most part doesn't guarantee he made the decision himself, as you've implied a number of times. I'm pretty sure Harbaugh, Matsko and Moeller were a part of the decision as well. Harbaugh wasn't involved in the game-planning but as [i]head coach of the team[/i], I think he'd be aware of and [i]approve[/i] a change made to arguably the most important unit in football. As offensive line coaches, I'd say Matsko and Moeller provided insight as well too.

[wayne]

Yea, there is no guarentees with drafting someone so the smart money would say to bring Gaither back and have lots of incentives in his contract b/c we needed him this year. Move Oher back to RT and him at LT.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296851498' post='632322']
[b]When unjustified claims are made, I question them. When I know can prove those claims wrong, I do so. [/b]
Cam controlling the offense for the most part doesn't guarantee he made the decision himself, as you've implied a number of times. I'm pretty sure Harbaugh, Matsko and Moeller were a part of the decision as well. Harbaugh wasn't involved in the game-planning but as [i]head coach of the team[/i], I think he'd be aware of and [i]approve[/i] a change made to arguably the most important unit in football. As offensive line coaches, I'd say Matsko and Moeller provided insight as well too.
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Ed_Reed20, master debater.

I gave Cam a lot of heat but he can't be solely blamed for what happened this season. That, and I met the guy and he was very nice, didn't really see where anyone got the arrogance from.

By the way, why's he called Cam Cameron when his real name is Malcolm Gordon Cameron III?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1296862150' post='632508']
Ed_Reed20, master debater.

I gave Cam a lot of heat but he can't be solely blamed for what happened this season. That, and I met the guy and he was very nice, didn't really see where anyone got the arrogance from.

By the way, why's he called Cam Cameron when his real name is [b]Malcolm Gordon Cameron III?[/b]
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Sounds like a blue collar guy for a blue collared town to me! From now on, I refer to his as Malcolm in the middle. He stands in the middle of our talent and dreams.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1296862150' post='632508']
Ed_Reed20, master debater.

I gave Cam a lot of heat but he can't be solely blamed for what happened this season. That, and I met the guy and he was very nice, didn't really see where anyone got the arrogance from.

By the way, why's he called Cam Cameron when his real name is [b]Malcolm Gordon Cameron III?[/b]
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So instead of going by Malcolm Cameron, or Malcolm Cameron III, he chooses to go with the same name twice? Cameron Cameron aka Cam Cameron?

Just saying...

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296868462' post='632590']
So instead of going by Malcolm Cameron, or Malcolm Cameron III, he chooses to go with the same name twice? Cameron Cameron aka Cam Cameron?

Just saying...
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It has a good ring too it.....for adult films.

'Uh-Uh look out. Here come big Cam Cameron'

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296868462' post='632590']
So instead of going by Malcolm Cameron, or Malcolm Cameron III, he chooses to go with the same name twice? Cameron Cameron aka Cam Cameron?

Just saying...
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The same thing twice is nice and simple so no one gets confused. If you think about it, Cam's play calling is the same way.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296851498' post='632322']
When unjustified claims are made, I question them. When I know can prove those claims wrong, I do so. [/quote]
I'm all for debating and discussing, but you don't really help by just saying "prove it". How are we supposed to do that? It's not possible, and you know that. Can YOU prove that somebody else actually made the decision to move Gaither to RT or that Cam didn't decide this by himself? You see what I mean?

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296851498' post='632322']Cam controlling the offense for the most part doesn't guarantee he made the decision himself, as you've implied a number of times. I'm pretty sure Harbaugh, Matsko and Moeller were a part of the decision as well. Harbaugh wasn't involved in the game-planning but as [i]head coach of the team[/i], I think he'd be aware of and [i]approve[/i] a change made to arguably the most important unit in football. As offensive line coaches, I'd say Matsko and Moeller provided insight as well too.[/quote]
Harbaugh will be involved this season, I don't think he was last season or before that. I think he even said that, he's never done that when they (he) announced it. As far as Matsko or Moeller maybe they were part of that (shuffling). Or maybe they didn't agree with Cam. We don't know. But we do know that Cam OK'd it. Whether he did it by himself or somebody pitched it to him is not really that important. He gave his OK and that's really what counts. And instead of admitting it the Ravens actually protect him by firing Matsko and Zorn. Those are the guys we're supposed to blame now for everything Cam OK'd. The playcalling, the struggles on offense. Cam wasn't part of that, it's everyone around him that screwed up. Similar to what happened in Miami I guess.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296902046' post='632758']
I'm all for debating and discussing, but you don't really help by just saying "prove it". How are we supposed to do that? It's not possible, and you know that. Can YOU prove that somebody else actually made the decision to move Gaither to RT or that Cam didn't decide this by himself? You see what I mean?

[b]I can't prove your claim otherwise but what sounds more plausible, an offensive coordinator deciding to change his left tackle inexplicably or the entire coaching staff, after considering many factors, decided to make the change?[/b]

Harbaugh will be involved this season, I don't think he was last season or before that. I think he even said that, he's never done that when they (he) announced it. As far as Matsko or Moeller maybe they were part of that (shuffling). Or maybe they didn't agree with Cam. We don't know. But we do know that Cam OK'd it. Whether he did it by himself or somebody pitched it to him is not really that important. He gave his OK and that's really what counts. And instead of admitting it the Ravens actually protect him by firing Matsko and Zorn. Those are the guys we're supposed to blame now for everything Cam OK'd. The playcalling, the struggles on offense. Cam wasn't part of that, it's everyone around him that screwed up. Similar to what happened in Miami I guess.

[b]From what I've heard, Harbaugh didn't attend offensive meetings and thus, had nothing to do with the game-planning. But I can't believe he completely washed his hands of anything to do with offense from OTAs and through the season.

The team didn't protect anyone by firing Matsko and Zorn. Matsko coached a unit that performed poorly and was let go. A number of people who cover the team have claimed Zorn's teaching methods conflicted with what Cam wanted to do. By eliminating both Zorn and Al Saunders, it's essentially do or die for Cam. Harbaugh saying he'll get involved in the offense is indirectly acknowledging Cam was part of the problem this season.[/b]
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[izvoodoo]

I honestly think we need a RT and Center more than a new LT. Oher played adequately well, and he will either be better or the same next year. My money is on improvement, how much I'm not sure. That, and back problems tend not to go away. It will be a tough fix, but I have have faith in the Wizard Oz.

I know this might be crazy, but can Yanda play Center and Ramon Harewood play guard then we can draft a RT in the 3rd or 4th round and put some power in the line? because harewood... is huge, and he will be able to move some bodies and open some holes..

[RAMBLE]

Man, is he huge.