Ravens To Tag Ngata

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1296580317' post='630249']
From what I read they can't re-sign Ngata till a new CBA is in place, so the tagging is the only way to assure that Ngata returns as a Raven.
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There's nothing prohibiting us from signing him, as long as we do it before March 1st I believe... the Tag would just buy us more time and keep others from swooping in and snatching him.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1296561536' post='630017']
So why tag him? Give him the long term deal he deserves and let him retire as a Raven!
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From what I understand, of course I can be wrong, the tag allows them more time to get the details in a contract done, something the looming CBA could stall.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296562005' post='630019']
Suggs wasn't in the same league back then, he was good but not hall of fame material. Now he's getting back to that form, but still with Ngata it's a lot different. Great nose tackles are just as important as great cornerbacks. Value wise you can put Ngata right up there with Revis.

If I'm the Jets I would definitely do it. Especially with how bad they are at drafting guys. There's also a thread on the Jets board where they talk about us tagging Ngata and they all would love to make that trade.

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226659
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Suggs was a pro bowler in 08 when we tagged him. Besides this is just the Jets wanting to be the Redskins, 2 1st round picks for Ngata? The hole they have on defense is pass rusher, not massive run stuffers who demand double teams. Not only that the website you referenced is a forum much like this one, and theyre just wishing and hoping.

I cant even believe theres another thread centered around the Jets and Rex Ryan on this board.

[REEDPIXUOFF]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1296580860' post='630256']
There's nothing prohibiting us from signing him, as long as we do it before March 1st I believe... the Tag would just buy us more time and keep others from swooping in and snatching him.
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30% rule under current CBA prevents a players salary from increasing by more than 30% from 1 year to the next. Since Ngata was still playing under his cheap rookie contract in 2010 the max offer we could make him would be chump change in comparison to what he's looking for.

[berad]

Tag is the only reasonable option until the new CBA is decided upon. Haloti has had his best two years without Rex, why would he have any allegiance to him? He's already said he wants to remain a Raven, I'll take him for his word.

No one is "worried", that's foolish.

[Twoo]

[quote name='REEDPIXUOFF' timestamp='1296582632' post='630275']
30% rule under current CBA prevents a players salary from increasing by more than 30% from 1 year to the next. Since Ngata was still playing under his cheap rookie contract in 2010 the max offer we could make him would be chump change in comparison to what he's looking for.
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That's easy to overstep. Give him a low first year salary with a large signing bonus.

[BloodRaven]

I don't trust what anyone says until pen has been put to paper.

[berad]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1296580317' post='630249']
From what I read they can't re-sign Ngata till a new CBA is in place, so the tagging is the only way to assure that Ngata returns as a Raven.
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Yeah, I heard that too but don't know where it's coming from. We re-signed Billy, after all.

[Jamal]

Calm down. Ngata leaving is about as likely as Peyton Manning leaving Indy.

Plus NY can't afford Ngata anyways. They have an abundance of FA's/guys that need to get paid coming up.

[JO_75]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1296580860' post='630256']
There's nothing prohibiting us from signing him, as long as we do it before March 1st I believe... the Tag would just buy us more time and keep others from swooping in and snatching him.
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Exactly. I mean we just signed Billy Cundiff to a 5 year deal so we can sign him but it looks like Franchise will be the best option for right now.

[Alexir]

Ngata wants to stay in Baltimore. We are tagging him. He will be safe for AT LEAST 1 more year. He will certainly have an extension if there is a CBA reached by training camp.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296552613' post='630000']
According to the reports out there we will put the franchise tag on Ngata soon until we get a long term deal done obviously. I don't like this. Why? Why wouldn't anybody swoop in and offer their two 1st round picks for a guy like Ngata? Especially when you have a playoff caliber team that always drafts in the late 20s.

According to the Draft Value Chart that NFL teams use two late 1st round picks are worth about 1.200 points. The 10th overall pick however is already worth more than that (1.300). So those late 1st rounders don't have that much value. Usually there's nothing left late in the 1st round anyway and teams try to either trade down or trade up to get out of that spot.

Enter Rex Ryan. He has worked with Ngata and we all know how much he loves and appreciates him. The one thing that could keep the Jets from becoming SB bound is a guy like Ngata. That's the big hole they have on defense.

If I'm the Jets I'd gladly THROW those two late 1st round picks at us to get Ngata and then offer him a poison pill type contract that we won't be able to match.
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I really really doubt that we would get rid of Ngata , BUT if we did i would lose ALL respect to this Franchise point blank.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Rice-Is-Nice' timestamp='1296574281' post='630146']
To be fair, the Ravens are one of the better drafting teams in the league since Ozzie has been there, but the Jets sure as hell aren't bad at drafting since Tannenbaum came on board... not sure where you get that from.

Let's look at some of the players the Jets have drafted since Tannenbaum became GM.

2006
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Nick Mangold
Brad Smith
Leon Washington

2007
Revis
David Harris

2008
Gholston (from everything I've heard this was all Mangini)
Dustin Keller
Dwight Lowery

2009
Sanchez
Shonn Greene
Matt Slauson (starting LG)

2010 (jury is obviously still out on this class)
Wilson
Ducasse
Conner
McKnight

Obviously there were a few misses in there as well that I didn't mention, but I think you would be hard pressed to find many teams that drafted as much talent over a 4 year period.
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Well outside of the fact that you basically left out decades of the Jets drafting the biggest busts in NFL history, in 2006 and 2007 that was more Mangini who got all those great players, it wasn't really Tannenbaum. Mangini wanted Revis because he was coaching Ty Law in NE, and not only was Revis compared to Law on the field I think Law is his uncle or something. David Harris he drafted as well as a 3-4 ILB. Same goes for Ferguson and Mangold, to solidify their O-Line. If you look at Cleveland that's what he did there as well (drafted center Mack in the 1st round). Leon Washington and Brad Smith are also typical Mangini picks, versatile role players who excel on special teams.

You can't blame them for the Gholston pick. They wanted McFadden but Gholston was the only thing left so they drafted him. He's still one of the biggest busts in history. After Mangini left the Jets basically just drafted trash. Their '10 draft was horrifying. Ducasse wasn't even active. Conner is a fullback, pretty much worthless. McKnight was considered a bust but he had a big game in week 17 I think. And Wilson is considered a bust so far among Jets fans. We'll see I guess, he's still a rookie.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1296568274' post='630059']
I didn't realise we couldn't sign anyone to long term deals until a new CBA is in place. This was really our only option, then.
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Your right so other Teams sure as heck cant do it either so i dont think he is going anywhere but hey we are talking about the BALTIMORE RAVENS and they have done some stupid things as much as they have done genius things. I say that now because we got rid of almost the whole coaching staff except for the one that needed to go.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1296589879' post='630377']
Ngata wants to stay in Baltimore. We are tagging him. He will be safe for AT LEAST 1 more year. He will certainly have an extension if there is a CBA reached by training camp.
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We'll tag him for sure. But that doesn't stop anybody from stepping in and offer us their 2 1st round picks in return. That's what I worry about. I'm not blaming our front office. I don't know if we can or can't sign him to a long term deal right now, I think we have no other choice but to tag him. But I'm worried that somebody else might step in to steal Ngata. I'd do it If I'm the Jets. Ngata is easily worth 2 late 1st round picks. And if you're Ngata away from winning the superbowl then that's what I'd do. I don't know.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1296591553' post='630407']
Your right so other Teams sure as heck cant do it either so i dont think he is going anywhere but hey we are talking about the BALTIMORE RAVENS and they have done some stupid things as much as they have done genius things. I say that now because we got rid of almost the whole coaching staff except for the one that needed to go.
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Hm. But once we tag him I'm pretty sure everyone else will be allowed to trade for him. They don't have to sign him to a long term deal....right? The Raiders traded for Seymour and he's basically playing his 1 year tag off now.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296591843' post='630410']
We'll tag him for sure. But that doesn't stop anybody from stepping in and offer us their 2 1st round picks in return. That's what I worry about. I'm not blaming our front office. I don't know if we can or can't sign him to a long term deal right now, I think we have no other choice but to tag him. But I'm worried that somebody else might step in to steal Ngata. I'd do it If I'm the Jets. Ngata is easily worth 2 late 1st round picks. And if you're Ngata away from winning the superbowl then that's what I'd do. I don't know.
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No team would give us 2 first round picks for Ngata. Jets don't have the money to do this. It's just not happening.

[XxSizzleXx]

Even with 2 firsts on the table why trade one of the most dominant Dlinemen in the game? Without Ngata our Dline drops off considerably, Redding-Gregg-Mckinney wouldn't be scaring anyone.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296592389' post='630415']
Hm. But once we tag him I'm pretty sure everyone else will be allowed to trade for him. They don't have to sign him to a long term deal....right? The Raiders traded for Seymour and he's basically playing his 1 year tag off now.
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Yea but isnt that why we havnt signed him to a big deal because we are waiting on the cba, im sure when thats taken care of, we will sign him. If he does end up leaving, like i said before, i will be unbelievably P.O.ed

I mean the whole Cam thing i thought was bad ,but this would be icing on the cake. Im starting to think what the heck is wrong with this Org. Its just one dumb stupid mistake after another and the Players and FANS are the ones that are suffering. Everyone sees it except the people that make the choices.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1296595500' post='630474']
Yea but isnt that why we havnt signed him to a big deal because we are waiting on the cba, im sure when thats taken care of, we will sign him. If he does end up leaving, like i said before, i will be unbelievably P.O.ed

[b]I mean the whole Cam thing i thought was bad ,but this would be icing on the cake. Im starting to think what the heck is wrong with this Org. Its just one dumb stupid mistake after another and the Players and FANS are the ones that are suffering. Everyone sees it except the people that make the choices.[/b]
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What guaranteed mistakes has the organization made this off-season?

[Bltravens]

Jets can't afford him like Alexir said, besides if Rex is retarted enough to think Ngata is his missing piece to give up 2 1st round picks then he's a worse roster evaluator than I thought. And if the Jets did trade for him for 1 years use, they would be the worst front office of all time.

[purple.n.black]

nothing left in the late first round?! There is great talent in 2nd round, 3rd round, even the undrafted players!

[Ravenmore74]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296552613' post='630000']
According to the reports out there we will put the franchise tag on Ngata soon until we get a long term deal done obviously. I don't like this. Why? Why wouldn't anybody swoop in and offer their two 1st round picks for a guy like Ngata? Especially when you have a playoff caliber team that always drafts in the late 20s.

According to the Draft Value Chart that NFL teams use two late 1st round picks are worth about 1.200 points. The 10th overall pick however is already worth more than that (1.300). So those late 1st rounders don't have that much value. Usually there's nothing left late in the 1st round anyway and teams try to either trade down or trade up to get out of that spot.

Enter Rex Ryan. He has worked with Ngata and we all know how much he loves and appreciates him. The one thing that could keep the Jets from becoming SB bound is a guy like Ngata. That's the big hole they have on defense.


If I'm the Jets I'd gladly THROW those two late 1st round picks at us to get Ngata and then offer him a poison pill type contract that we won't be able to match.
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Watching Ngata at the probowl playing right in front of Ray, I hope and pray the Jets don't swoop on Ngata before we do... Habitually the Jets like to commandeer our players in Baltimore...

[AwakenTheDemon]

I love some of the ideas those Jets fans had. Like a contract where if Ngata were to play 4 or more games in Maryland, his entire contract would be guaranteed. They also don't take into consideration if Ngata [i]wants[/i] to be a Raven over any other team. He doesn't [i]have[/i] to agree to the first contract thrown towards him, even if it's another team offering big bucks.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1296604734' post='630654']
nothing left in the late first round?! There is great talent in 2nd round, 3rd round, even the undrafted players!
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I know right, because no great player was ever found past pick 20.

[bauer77]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296552613' post='630000']
According to the reports out there we will put the franchise tag on Ngata soon until we get a long term deal done obviously. I don't like this. Why? Why wouldn't anybody swoop in and offer their two 1st round picks for a guy like Ngata? Especially when you have a playoff caliber team that always drafts in the late 20s.

According to the Draft Value Chart that NFL teams use two late 1st round picks are worth about 1.200 points. The 10th overall pick however is already worth more than that (1.300). So those late 1st rounders don't have that much value. Usually there's nothing left late in the 1st round anyway and teams try to either trade down or trade up to get out of that spot.

Enter Rex Ryan. He has worked with Ngata and we all know how much he loves and appreciates him. The one thing that could keep the Jets from becoming SB bound is a guy like Ngata. That's the big hole they have on defense.

If I'm the Jets I'd gladly THROW those two late 1st round picks at us to get Ngata and then offer him a poison pill type contract that we won't be able to match.
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Nobody wants to swoop in and offer their 2 first rounders because they know ngata is unavailable.

[Rav'n Maniac]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296592389' post='630415']
Hm. [b]But once we tag him I'm pretty sure everyone else will be allowed to trade for him.[/b] They don't have to sign him to a long term deal....right? The Raiders traded for Seymour and he's basically playing his 1 year tag off now.
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It totally depends on how he's designated.

If he is designated with an exclusive rights tag then no other team may negotiate with him. The Ravens would then pay him an average salary of the top 5 players at that position.

If he is designated with the non-exclusive rights tag then other teams can negotiate with him but, the Ravens retain the right to match any offer. If the Ravens do not match the offer, he becomes free to sign elsewhere and the signing team must give up two 1st rounders.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1296607483' post='630689']
Watching Ngata at the probowl playing right in front of Ray, I hope and pray the Jets don't swoop on Ngata before we do... Habitually the Jets like to [b]commodore[/b] our players in Baltimore...
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Ngata's here to stay (by the way, its "commandeer")

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1296655156' post='630932']
Ngata's here to stay (by the way, its "commandeer")
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Hahahaha... yes, he is.

[gabefergy]

Am I being ridiculous to think that the leagues best D lineman (still young) is more valuable than two late 1st rounders. The only true benefit I can see from that deal is cap flexibility to go out and sign another big FA like Asomogua or Vjax. It seems highly unlikely that a) any team would give up 2 fist round picks and Ozzie would trade Ngata under any circumstances unless there was a deal on the table for another huge FA.

The only reason Ngata would be tagged and not immediately extended long term is because of the uncertainty with the CBA talks