Ravens To Tag Ngata

[Bullrush]

According to the reports out there we will put the franchise tag on Ngata soon until we get a long term deal done obviously. I don't like this. Why? Why wouldn't anybody swoop in and offer their two 1st round picks for a guy like Ngata? Especially when you have a playoff caliber team that always drafts in the late 20s.

According to the Draft Value Chart that NFL teams use two late 1st round picks are worth about 1.200 points. The 10th overall pick however is already worth more than that (1.300). So those late 1st rounders don't have that much value. Usually there's nothing left late in the 1st round anyway and teams try to either trade down or trade up to get out of that spot.

Enter Rex Ryan. He has worked with Ngata and we all know how much he loves and appreciates him. The one thing that could keep the Jets from becoming SB bound is a guy like Ngata. That's the big hole they have on defense.

If I'm the Jets I'd gladly THROW those two late 1st round picks at us to get Ngata and then offer him a poison pill type contract that we won't be able to match.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Ngata isn't leaving. I'm not worried.

[MKdave]

I don't mind us tagging him so long as we get something longer done by the beginning of the season. You don't want to risk your best defender playing tentatively because you won't pony up the dough (over a long term contract).

[Rav'n Maniac]

I don't see this as a big issue. I was already expecting the FO to tag him. They did the same with Suggs and he didn't go anywhere. I can't see any team putting up two 1st rounders for any player, especially a team like the Jets. I suspect they would already be in cap hell when it returns.

[ravenswoman]

I Think the FO realizes that Ngata is to talented and important to the Ravens defense and future to let him go.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1296557609' post='630006']
I Think the FO realizes that Ngata is to talented and important to the Ravens defense and future to let him go.
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So why tag him? Give him the long term deal he deserves and let him retire as a Raven!

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Rav'n Maniac' timestamp='1296556662' post='630004']
I don't see this as a big issue. I was already expecting the FO to tag him. They did the same with Suggs and he didn't go anywhere. I can't see any team putting up two 1st rounders for any player, especially a team like the Jets. I suspect they would already be in cap hell when it returns.
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Suggs wasn't in the same league back then, he was good but not hall of fame material. Now he's getting back to that form, but still with Ngata it's a lot different. Great nose tackles are just as important as great cornerbacks. Value wise you can put Ngata right up there with Revis.

If I'm the Jets I would definitely do it. Especially with how bad they are at drafting guys. There's also a thread on the Jets board where they talk about us tagging Ngata and they all would love to make that trade.

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226659

[Ravens Lover]

I'm relieved just since I know know that he is definetly here and all we need to do is work out a long term deal

[T-ray]

If this were to happen (tag), then I'd be forced to question the F.O.'s decision making skills. I know everyone, including myself, tend to think we have an excellent FO, but risking a hall of fame player that may not even be at his prime yet is just stupid.

[ghost1986]

I'm glad we'll be franchising him. Sorry, Rex. No snack for you.

[die_hard_raven]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296552613' post='630000']
According to the reports out there we will put the franchise tag on Ngata soon until we get a long term deal done obviously. I don't like this. Why? Why wouldn't anybody swoop in and offer their two 1st round picks for a guy like Ngata? Especially when you have a playoff caliber team that always drafts in the late 20s.

According to the Draft Value Chart that NFL teams use two late 1st round picks are worth about 1.200 points. The 10th overall pick however is already worth more than that (1.300). So those late 1st rounders don't have that much value. Usually there's nothing left late in the 1st round anyway and teams try to either trade down or trade up to get out of that spot.

Enter Rex Ryan. He has worked with Ngata and we all know how much he loves and appreciates him. The one thing that could keep the Jets from becoming SB bound is a guy like Ngata. That's the big hole they have on defense.

If I'm the Jets I'd gladly THROW those two late 1st round picks at us to get Ngata and then offer him a poison pill type contract that we won't be able to match.
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I don't see this scenario happening, because there is no current CBA teams won't be able to perform any kind of trade and since the team has no idea of what the salary cap will be like, they are tagging him now with the intention of offering him a contract once the team knows it's financial position (hopefully). Can you imagine signing all of your premium players to big contracts and then having the draft without and agreement, then and agreement is done after the fact and the cap is much lower than the prior contract and the incentives that can be offered are limited? That would place a team in a very bad position without knowing where they stand.

That is like me going to buy a Benz just because my mom promised me she'd give me the money, then I go out and buy the car and she changes her mind and I'm screwed!

[grape drank]

[quote name='Rav'n Maniac' timestamp='1296556662' post='630004']
I don't see this as a big issue. I was already expecting the FO to tag him. They did the same with Suggs and he didn't go anywhere. I can't see any team putting up two 1st rounders for any player, especially a team like the Jets.[b] I suspect they would already be in cap hell when it returns.[/b]
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my thoughts exactly, the Jets signed like 5 or 6 FA veterans, and already had a bunch on their team. A lot of cuts are going to have to be made on that team, I suspect its going to look a lot different next year. No way they sign Ngata.

[Rav'n Maniac]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296562005' post='630019']
Suggs wasn't in the same league back then, he was good but not hall of fame material. Now he's getting back to that form, but still with Ngata it's a lot different. [b]Great nose tackles are just as important as great cornerbacks.[/b] Value wise you can put Ngata right up there with Revis.

If I'm the Jets I would definitely do it. Especially with how bad they are at drafting guys. There's also a thread on the Jets board where they talk about us tagging Ngata and they all would love to make that trade.

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226659
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That's a statement I totally agree with. I'm confident the FO knows his value and the tag is the first step in working out a long term deal.

[I AM LEGEND]

Umm as long as Ngata is happy and understanding about the tag then I'm fine...but remember a lot of players do not like to be franchised...also like someone stated you don't want him playing tentatively next year cause he doesn't have a long term deal..

And for those saying the jets wouldn't do the 2 first rounders......ur wrong...Rex was gonna go after a DT/DE anyway this upcoming draft...you don't think Rex is salvatating at the fact knowing his old buddy and quite possibly the best Defensive lineman in the league is starring him right in the face...the only thing that makes me say its more then likely not possible is that as people on the jets board said Ngata isn't coming cheap...and they would have to get rid of a lot of people to afford him..

But remember this is Rex...

[ghost1986]

I agree with Bullrush about nose tackles being just as important as CB's. I really do miss having Adams and the Goose. I used to call them the twin towers. But Ngata's great in so many other ways. He's very athletic. Sometimes he can drop into coverage and he can jump. When he breaks up a pass, I'm like "Wow" and just shake my head in disbelief. I'm definitely glad Ngata's on our side.

[MKdave]

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I didn't realise we couldn't sign anyone to long term deals until a new CBA is in place. This was really our only option, then.

[PuRock]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1296561536' post='630017']
So why tag him? Give him the long term deal he deserves and let him retire as a Raven!
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Easier said than done. You tag him as a stop gap so he can't hit free agency. Then you work out the long term deal. The bigger the contract, the more complicated the details.

I just hope they don't slap him with the Tag, then give big money to FA. That's like a slap in the face. Baltimore is always good at taking care of their star players. So I am not worried. I highly doubt anyteam would give up two 1 rounders for Ngata.

[Twoo]

Im not concerned, Ngata said he wants to be a raven for life and our organization has a long history of keeping their best players and paying them big money. Ngata wont be touching free agency for another 6-7 years... him hitting the open market isn't even something worth discussing.

[PuRock]

The last thing the Jets can afford is Ngata. They just broke the bank on Revis, they need to give a new deal to Holmes. They have all these other expensive pieces that need resigning.

[DHaran]

I love how people are questioning the front office lol. Almost every single team will be franchising someone they want to sign to a long term deal right now because nobody will negotiate a long term deal without a new CBA. Come on guys, get a clue.

[Ed_Reed20]

Really? The Jets aren't going to target Ngata.

Haloti isn't even a true NT.

[Rice-Is-Nice]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1296562005' post='630019']
Suggs wasn't in the same league back then, he was good but not hall of fame material. Now he's getting back to that form, but still with Ngata it's a lot different. Great nose tackles are just as important as great cornerbacks. Value wise you can put Ngata right up there with Revis.If I'm the Jets I would definitely do it. [b]Especially with how bad they are at drafting guys.[/b] There's also a thread on the Jets board where they talk about us tagging Ngata and they all would love to make that trade.http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226659
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To be fair, the Ravens are one of the better drafting teams in the league since Ozzie has been there, but the Jets sure as hell aren't bad at drafting since Tannenbaum came on board... not sure where you get that from.

Let's look at some of the players the Jets have drafted since Tannenbaum became GM.

2006
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Nick Mangold
Brad Smith
Leon Washington

2007
Revis
David Harris

2008
Gholston (from everything I've heard this was all Mangini)
Dustin Keller
Dwight Lowery

2009
Sanchez
Shonn Greene
Matt Slauson (starting LG)

2010 (jury is obviously still out on this class)
Wilson
Ducasse
Conner
McKnight

Obviously there were a few misses in there as well that I didn't mention, but I think you would be hard pressed to find many teams that drafted as much talent over a 4 year period.

[Rice-Is-Nice]

As far as the Jets trying to sign Nagata if he gets Franchised, I don't see it happening. They have enough of their own players they need to worry about signing... Harris, Brad Smith, Turner, Cromartie, Holmes, Edwards. Ngata is one of the most valuable players in the NFL, I just don't see how the Jets could afford him, not to mention losing 2 first round picks in the process.

[True]

I'm more worried about the cap hit. Having a lot of money invested in Ngata won't allow money for the other FAs. But I guess if they are thinking of using the tag then what Ozzie said about the Ravens only having 6 FAs instead of 17 seems plausible. That's what I am most concerned about. If the Ravens have 6 UFAs I don't mind the tag, but if they have 17 then I would be worried.

Remember what happened when Suggs got franchised? It really cost us a chance to sign a lot of good players. The new CBA will still have to iron out the details.

[JO_75]

I'm alright with this. I had feeling that we would have to use the Franchise Tag on him similar to what we did with Suggs. In the end, as long as we get Ngata under a long term contract I'm fine with giving him the Franchise Tag.

[littleray27]

Ok my only question would be, are the Ravens going to tag him with the "exclusive tag" or the "non exclusive tag"? What category of tag would Haloti fall under? From what I was reading the "non exclusive tag" as of 2010 would guarantee Haloti 7,003,000 so that would be a nice chunk of cake for Haloti to gobble up while working on getting the long term contract in tact. And didn't Sizzle get that huge payday for being tagged twice? I know the tagged him with both tags and for his "non exclusive tag" in 2008 he got a nice one year chunk of cake at 8,879,000. I feel good about the Ravens making sure Haloti is a Raven for life, the guy is a class act and deserves the best IMO. I just hope the Ravens go about it in a classy way and treat the man the way he deserves to be treated and taken care of, which all signs point to them doing just that.

[theblackdog]

I'm cool with this. The FO knows that Ngata is a very valuable player for the Ravens and to give him the contract he deserves is going to take time. We don't know what kind of CBA will be in place next year, and we want to pay him what he's worth. Why make it even more complicated by having other teams trying to take him from us?

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

At least we know he won't hit free agency this year. He was the main priority so it makes sense.

[FerrariFan87]

Ngata's Ngata going anywhere... don't worry.

[TreTheRaven]

From what I read they can't re-sign Ngata till a new CBA is in place, so the tagging is the only way to assure that Ngata returns as a Raven.