Why Troy For Def MVP?!

[Raveman]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1296526115' post='629733']
Troy is great, yes, but when they say he made "game changing plays", all they're talking about is his sack on Flacco. All the other plays he made are compiled in something known as "stats", of which Ed Reed has the better.


As for the "He makes the Steelers defense so much better" argument, having an insufficient backup and basing a defense on one guy doesn't merit DPOY. If that was the case he'd win it every year.
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This is one of the few times he's been healthy for the majority of a season. I saw how Troy was playing in that Tennessee Titans game from last year before he got hurt......honestly if not for injury he may have won it then.

[MKdave]

I'm glad Matthews didn't get it. He faded too much down the stretch. He got so much early hype and people saying he was a lock for DPoY that I thought he might get it off the strength of that. I obviously think it should have been Ed, but the voters as well we know don't care about the single most powerful play a defensive player can make, the interception. So Ed was never going to get it. Given that he was out of the running I'd say it should have been Harrison. His numbers are pretty crazy. That said I don't mind Troy getting it. He deserves one. If he gets another one on more apparent merit later then maybe I'll take issue with this one.

[Ravens Lover]

The fact that Reed was out for half of the yeat and led the league in picks how does that not qualify for the list

[MsMarvel73]

Clay got robbed plain and simple.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1296533172' post='629890']
I don't know who "you guys" is, but that's true. Matthews had a hand in forcing interceptions, as well. I'm going to go on a stat binge, so everyone hold tight. Matthews, himself, may not have gotten the interceptions but the Packers were the NFL leader in that category. 24 picks off of 527 attempts - a 4.55% interception rate - good for best in the NFL. Packers also led the league in lowest opponent QB rating, top 5 in lowest opposing completion percentage, and second in sacks [i](Steelers, in first place with 48, had ~70 more drop backs)[/i].

Pressure from Matthews was integral and, perhaps, the biggest factor in all of those things. To me, he had the more impressive season and was much more valuable to the Packers.
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Well, guess what. Me and 17 AP voters didn't see it that way.

Though I already said, anyone one of the three would have been the right choice.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1296567058' post='630044']
Clay got robbed plain and simple.
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Oh please. It was a vote of 50 writers. Not a damn conspiracy.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1296535228' post='629923']
This is a complete crock... sure, he's great, but Matthews has been much more impressive (in the playoffs too) and didn't miss any games this season. A little added motivation for this Sunday.
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You forgot to mention that Troy is a Steeler and you hate the Steelers. /sarcasm.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1296532661' post='629882']
Steelers lost Aaron Smith and Ziggy didn't play as well as he has this season which slightly effected the pass rush and it didn't help Ike had a down year getting fried by no name WRs like Louis Murphy(Raiders WR lol) and William Gay didn't play so well on the outside. It was also Timmons first year taking over at ILB next to Farrior who looked a lil slower than he did the previous year. Combine that with a terrible STs and you have the 2009 Steelers. Troy def makes a difference but one man did not cause the 09 Steelers to fail. A combination of all those things I mentioned did which they fixed this season. Ike has played much better, McFadden is better on the outside than Gay while Gay is good at nickleback. Ziggy has taken over Aaron Smiths spot very well too.
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That is the most accurate account I have ever heard around here. However, Troy was still the difference in the minds of many (inciuding me). We never lost by more than a TD and our defense couldn't close out games.

[JonM229]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296568590' post='630063']
We never lost by more than a TD and our defense couldn't close out games.
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Stop talking about the Ravens defense as "our defense"

[Shammy]

Troy Deserves it hands down he is the biggest diffrence maker on defense in the league .. who cares if ed reed led the league ints.. big deal i mean i love the guy but he didnt make that much of a diffrence in some of the bigger games for the defense as troy D for his .. i cant stand the steelers but troy has my respect he made the biggest play of the season IMO that ultimately decided either us or them as the number two seed

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1296569516' post='630074']
Troy Deserves it hands down he is the biggest diffrence maker on defense in the league .. [b]who cares if ed reed led the league ints.. big deal i mean i love the guy but[/b] [b]he didnt make that much of a diffrence in some of the bigger games for the defense as troy D for his ..[/b] i cant stand the steelers but troy has my respect he made the biggest play of the season IMO that ultimately decided either us or them as the number two seed
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I'd reconstructing one's hip in the off-season, returning in the 7th game of the season obviously still not 100% and leading the league in INTs is actually a [i]big deal[/i].

It's pretty difficult to make much of an impact when you're at least 20 yards off the ball most of the time.

Where was Troy in the first Ravens/Steelers games? Or against the Saints? Or Patriots? Where has he been in the play-offs?

He made some huge plays this season but let's not pretend Ed didn't either.

[Twoo]

Only way this doesn't bother me is if Reed wins the cbpoty award. But in no way was troy the dpoty. He was their team mvp, but not the best defensive player in the nfl this year. The fact he won is embarrassing.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1296569516' post='630074']
Troy Deserves it hands down he is the biggest diffrence maker on defense in the league .. who cares if ed reed led the league ints.. big deal i mean i love the guy but he didnt make that much of a diffrence in some of the bigger games for the defense as troy D for his .. i cant stand the steelers but troy has my respect he made the biggest play of the season IMO that ultimately decided either us or them as the number two seed
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How do you know it wasn't the blown call in Miami that decided the number 2 seed? If the official pays attention to that play and doesn't just blow it dead the Ravens have the #2 seed.

How do you know it wasn't Redman's TD late in the game that decided the season? Because that wasn't as flashy of a play. Face it, Troy gets one nice-looking easy-as-pie sack and it got him the DPOY award.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1296574004' post='630140']
How do you know it wasn't the blown call in Miami that decided the number 2 seed? If the official pays attention to that play and doesn't just blow it dead the Ravens have the #2 seed.

How do you know it wasn't Redman's TD late in the game that decided the season? Because that wasn't as flashy of a play. Face it, Troy gets one nice-looking easy-as-pie sack and it got him the DPOY award.
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... or if Stevie Johnson catches a wide-open TD in overtime. Yes, Troy made some great plays, but he was invisible in a lot of big games, including every playoff game thus far. He was bound to win it eventually, I just don't know if this was the appropriate season.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296568160' post='630057']
You forgot to mention that Troy is a Steeler and you hate the Steelers. /sarcasm.
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It has nothing to do with that. I'd love for Troy to be on the Ravens and I respect his play-making ability, and he's clearly the best SS in the NFL, but I just think Matthews was more deserving considering his dominance in spite of a lack of a supporting cast.

It's unfair to penalize Troy for being on such a dominant D with so many difference-makers, but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes. Oh, well, nothing we can do about it.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1296574251' post='630145']
... or if Stevie Johnson catches a wide-open TD in overtime. Yes, Troy made some great plays, but he was invisible in a lot of big games, including every playoff game thus far. He was bound to win it eventually, I just don't know if this was the appropriate season.
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I'm pretty sure the voters gave it to Troy because they think he "earned it", even though as I told SteelerEmpire that's not how the voting's supposed to go. That and the Flacco sack. Read any report on Troy winning it. They'll all say "He made game-changing plays including a week 13 sack against Flacco forcing a fumble". Any other notable plays? No. No more than any other candidate - just a bunch of interceptions or sacks. They don't even look at how bad he was in coverage this year.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Twoo' timestamp='1296573507' post='630135']
[b]Only way this doesn't bother me is if Reed wins the cbpoty award.[/b] But in no way was troy the dpoty. He was their team mvp, but not the best defensive player in the nfl this year. The fact he won is embarrassing.
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Ed won't win CPOY; Vick or Big Mike Williams will probably get it.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296574810' post='630162']
Ed won't win CPOY; Vick or Big Mike Williams will probably get it.
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I don't know if Vick will win. It makes sense. But he was in the league during 2009. Big Mike Willams did a complete 180. I think big Mike wins. But I wouldn't be shocked if Vick comes away with it.

[JonM229]

Maybe once Clay Matthews starts doing Head & Shoulders commercials, he'll win a DPOY

[BloodRaven]

Maybe next year they'll hand the defensive player of the year award to James Farrior, or maybe Hampton, two players that have also seen better days.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1296574911' post='630164']
I don't know if Vick will win. It makes sense. But he was in the league during 2009. Big Mike Willams did a complete 180. I think big Mike wins. But I wouldn't be shocked if Vick comes away with it.
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I had actually forgotten Vick was an Eagle in '09. I hope BMW wins.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JonM229' timestamp='1296569347' post='630070']
Stop talking about the Ravens defense as "our defense"
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Stop talking....period.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1296574004' post='630140']
How do you know it wasn't the blown call in Miami that decided the number 2 seed? If the official pays attention to that play and doesn't just blow it dead the Ravens have the #2 seed.

How do you know it wasn't Redman's TD late in the game that decided the season? Because that wasn't as flashy of a play. Face it, [b]Troy gets one nice-looking easy-as-pie sack[/b] and it got him the DPOY award.
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Just because Oher blew the assignment DOES NOT mean blitzers don't ever come free. What sets Troy aside is that it was a three step drop. QB's seldom get sacked on a three step drop. Contrary to popular belief there are guys who would not have gotten there.

That was one play out of many. And again, his mere presence, dictates what the QB does.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1296574251' post='630145']
... or if Stevie Johnson catches a wide-open TD in overtime. Yes, Troy made some great plays, but he was invisible in a lot of big games, including every playoff game thus far. He was bound to win it eventually, I just don't know if this was the appropriate season.
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Hello???? And what did your WR's do? What did the Jets WR's do??? NOTHING.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JonM229' timestamp='1296574921' post='630165']
Maybe once Clay Matthews starts doing Head & Shoulders commercials, he'll win a DPOY
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Troy has better hair. Close the thread.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296568590' post='630063']
That is the most accurate account I have ever heard around here. However, Troy was still the difference in the minds of many (inciuding me). We never lost by more than a TD and our defense couldn't close out games.
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I actually watch some Steeler games and read alot about their players and such.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296578126' post='630213']
Hello???? And what did your WR's do? What did the Jets WR's do??? NOTHING.
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Why are you seemingly giving him sole for that? Ike Taylor played great coverage against the Ravens and the supporting CBs played good football too. The one occasion I saw Joe throw in Polamalu's direction, he gave up a big pass to Heap near the sidelines.

As for the Jets' receivers, Keller, Holmes, Edwards and Cotchery didn't have huge games but they made some big plays.

[codizzle]

troy won who cares.. we are ravens fans.. we should be used to this stuff

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296578126' post='630213']
Hello???? And what did your WR's do? What did the Jets WR's do??? NOTHING.
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I put that more on solid CB coverage, poor QB play, and horrible play-calling than Troy P.

When you faced real QBs (Tom Brady and Drew Brees to name 2), your secondary got smoked.

Don't really see your point, but he won, so congrats.

[SteelerEmpire]

Everyone keeps saying that this person deserved it, and this person didn't. But does ANYBODY know the "criteria" they use to select the DPOY ? I'm sure it's written down somewhere ? I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to say Troy deserved it or not (or Reed or Mat.) if they don't know the [b][i]"rating system"[/i][/b] they use to select the DPOY ? If anyone does, please post.