More Info On Kindle

[cursona pirate]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e04f30/article/report-injured-ravens-lb-kindle-awaiting-green-light-to-play?module=HP_headlines"]My link[/url]

Kindle still waiting for green light according to nfl.com

[ghost1986]

A co-worker of mine at a temp job said he went to Texas when Kindle crashed into that apartment building. I'm sorry, but I don't want this guy on our team. I'm kinda iffy with Stallworth, but this is his second chance and he seems to be doing good with it. Sergio had his second chance and after fracturing his skull he gets a DUI. My co-worker said everyone suspected he was drunk when he crashed through the building and others believe it was the reason he went down the stairs and fractured his skull. I don't like to be a broken record, but I hope Pagano runs a 4-3 and we get rid of Kindle and draft a sturdy DE.

[Ed_Reed20]

I really hope he's eventually cleared.

[berad]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296514781' post='629538']
I really hope he's eventually cleared.
[/quote]

Me too. I was definitely excited when we drafted him at he has such amazing potential. Stinks that he tested his fate like he did. Stupid mistakes.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1296513109' post='629504']
A co-worker of mine at a temp job said he went to Texas when Kindle crashed into that apartment building. I'm sorry, but I don't want this guy on our team. I'm kinda iffy with Stallworth, but this is his second chance and he seems to be doing good with it. Sergio had his second chance and after fracturing his skull he gets a DUI. My co-worker said everyone suspected he was drunk when he crashed through the building and others believe it was the reason he went down the stairs and fractured his skull. I don't like to be a broken record, but I hope Pagano runs a 4-3 and we get rid of Kindle and draft a sturdy DE.
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We dont have the LBs to run a 4-3 and we definitely don't have a pass rushing DT, or a 4-3 prototype DE. Ironically the guy want to get rid of (Kindle) would transition the best to a 4-3 Will

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296515085' post='629545']
We dont have the LBs to run a 4-3 and we definitely don't have a pass rushing DT, or a 4-3 prototype DE. Ironically the guy want to get rid of (Kindle) would transition the best to a 4-3 Will
[/quote]

Took the words right out of my mouth... well, off of my fingers.

Kindle would be one of the only players who would benefit from running a 4-3 scheme.

I really hope he's cleared to play, it would be such a shame if he couldn't.

[bauer77]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1296513109' post='629504']
A co-worker of mine at a temp job said he went to Texas when Kindle crashed into that apartment building. I'm sorry, but I don't want this guy on our team. I'm kinda iffy with Stallworth, but this is his second chance and he seems to be doing good with it. Sergio had his second chance and after fracturing his skull he gets a DUI. My co-worker said everyone suspected he was drunk when he crashed through the building and others believe it was the reason he went down the stairs and fractured his skull. I don't like to be a broken record, but I hope Pagano runs a 4-3 and we get rid of Kindle and draft a sturdy DE.
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how was Kindle's first chance when he fell down the steps? was he doing anything wrong? if he was drinking, theres nothing wrong with that, wasnt he at his house? I understand theres obviously something wrong with the DUI, but players dont get cut (most of the time anyway) after one DUI. he could still be a very good LB, and the Ravens know this, so no i dont think we should "get rid of him". he hasnt even played a down in the NFL yet and people already want him gone? wow, just wow.

[reediddy]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1296513109' post='629504']
A co-worker of mine at a temp job said he went to Texas when Kindle crashed into that apartment building. I'm sorry, but I don't want this guy on our team. I'm kinda iffy with Stallworth, but this is his second chance and he seems to be doing good with it. Sergio had his second chance and after fracturing his skull he gets a DUI. My co-worker said everyone suspected he was drunk when he crashed through the building and others believe it was the reason he went down the stairs and fractured his skull. I don't like to be a broken record, but I hope Pagano runs a 4-3 and we get rid of Kindle and draft a sturdy DE.
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To be honest, I'm with you on this one. One would think that when you're rehabbing from a skull fracture, you would devote all your time to recovery and if you do drink (probably inevitable) you at least be responsible about it so as to not increase the severity of the injury. Imagine if this guy gets into a car accident while driving drunk? Career's over right there. The impact of the crash would probably devastate the head. The lack of better judgment does not really excite me.

In any case yes he has squandered his second chance. The only reason I think he will stay is that Ozzie values his picks and probably won't give up this guy too easily. Let's see how he recovers and if he can make an impact.

On your point about switching the 4-3, I think our DL is made for that. Ngata and Cody at the DT, Redding and hopefully Kruger at DE. Sounds like it could work

[Mahatma_Sloth]

if kindle busts do we at least get a compensatory pick?

[AwakenTheDemon]

Some of the ideas in this thread make me want to introduce my palm to my face.

So since Kindle fell down some stairs (it does not matter if he was drinking or not), that was his first chance? Even if he was drinking, are football players not allowed to even drink in their own or friends' homes? That's not a blown "first chance".

So some people thought he "may" have been drunk when he crashed into the building? That's hearsay and speculation, that's not a blown first chance for the Ravens even if he were drinking. So there's no way he's blown both a first and second chance already. I won't even comment on the "I hope we run a 4-3. . ." statement.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1296518785' post='629609']
On your point about switching the 4-3, I think our DL is made for that. Ngata and Cody at the DT, Redding and hopefully Kruger at DE. Sounds like it could work
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The defense would [i]rarely[/i] get pressure with that line.

The 3-4 hybrid D is fine. What's needed is a 3-4 DE of the future capable of providing interior pressure and/or a complement to Suggs on the strong side.

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1296520171' post='629643']
if kindle busts do we at least get a compensatory pick?
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I doubt it.

[ghost1986]

I just hope Sergio gets it together and realizes the opportunity he has. I just watched his highlights on YouTube and he looks like the kind of guy we need to compliment Suggs(although I'd still like us to be able to get Cameron Heyward)I'll admit I was out of line about my comments. I guess it was just my personal vendetta towards drunk drivers after my friend was hit and killed by one years back. But he does need to quit the fooling around. It's a golden opportunity for him to be on the best defense of the decade. I know we weren't ranked #1 this year, but Ray Lewis is my favorite defensive player of all time. He's intelligent and plays with intensity and passion. I saw one person on here with a sig that mentioned Adrian Clayborn. If Kindle gets healthy and smart and we draft Heyward or Clayborn our d-line and linebacker corps would be vicious. Not to mention Teryl Austin coming in as our secondary coach. If our defensive guys can stay healthy, we could work our way into the top 5(possibly top 3) defense.Like I said though, I was out of line with my comment and I do apologize. I just hope he puts his foolishness aside and gets healthy so we can have our classic Ravens D again.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1296517941' post='629599']
how was Kindle's first chance when he fell down the steps? was he doing anything wrong? if he was drinking, theres nothing wrong with that, wasnt he at his house? I understand theres obviously something wrong with the DUI, but players dont get cut (most of the time anyway) after one DUI. he could still be a very good LB, and the Ravens know this, so no i dont think we should "get rid of him". he hasnt even played a down in the NFL yet and people already want him gone? wow, just wow.
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I have no strong opinion on Kindle but you do realize that fans are mad because he got a DUI [i]after[/i] he broke his skull? Don't you think that if someone truly wants to play in the NFL and gets drafted by a class act team that they would do all that they could to get better? Instead, Kindle gets pulled over for drinking and given a DUI when the last thing he should be doing with his injury is drinking large amounts of alcohol, enough to get the citation in the first place.

This isn't just "one DUI". I understand that people make mistakes, even professional athletes, but when you have the type of injury that Kindle has the last thing you would want to do is drink then drive. Not only could he have injured his head, again, but he could have also killed someone. This shows immaturity on his end, which is why fans are so mad/disappointed with him.

[noy]

2007 Charged with a DUI

2009 [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4294788"]Crashes into an Ashley Zapata's Austin, Texas apartment.[/url]

[quote name='Zapata's roommate']
"[Ashley Zapata] would have been dead if she had been sitting at her desk"
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[quote]
According to witnesses, Kindle and [b]several passengers[/b] got out of the car and pushed it out of the residence and down the road before abandoning it, police said.
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2010 [url="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/27/sergio-kindle-arrested-for-dui/"]Charged with DUI #2[/url]

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Kindle says he was driving [b]with friends[/b], one of whom had to catch an early flight.
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Seems to me that Kindle needs to pull a Michael Vick and surround himself with better people. If it is acceptable to your friends that you can drive them while drunk, regardless of the excuse, then they aren't really your friends; they are your reapers.

The only reason I left out his staircase fall was the report of it being a result of his narcolepsy. It may be that he is uneducated in his own condition, and thinks he can just take meds and be a normal person. It scares me, because then I find things like this:

[quote]
A moderate amount of alcohol produced a coma-like state in a 24-year-old man with narcolepsy. This response differed from a typical narcoleptic sleep attack. The patient could not be fully awakened for a several hour period and electrophysiological data obtained during the episode were uncharacteristic of narcolepsy, showing slow-wave sleep and absence of rapid eye movements. It is unknown whether this represents a common response of narcoleptics to alcohol.[/quote]
[url="http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/541/705"]LINK[/url]

[quote]People with narcolepsy should limit alcohol, chocolate and caffeine intake and should avoid consuming any of them several hours before bed.[/quote]
[url="http://www.livestrong.com/article/83013-diet-therapy-narcolepsy/"]LINK[/url]

And finally, a [u][url="http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/message-boards/viewtopic.php?t=25790"]forum's response[/url][/u]

The point being that there seems to be a recurring pattern with a portion of people suffering from narcolepsy that have an unfavorable reaction with alcohol. This is a duh moment, because narcolepsy is a neurological disorder and alcohol/caffeine are mental depressors/stimulants. Considering researchers still aren't quite sure of the causes of narcolepsy, why wouldn't someone err on the side of caution?

I think if Kindle surrounds himself with a better crowd that reminds him of the risks of his alcohol consumption, he could finally enjoy a future of better decision making. He could easily die if he continues this reckless attitude.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1296529498' post='629816']
2007 Charged with a DUI

2009 [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4294788"]Crashes into an Ashley Zapata's Austin, Texas apartment.[/url]





2010 [url="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/27/sergio-kindle-arrested-for-dui/"]Charged with DUI #2[/url]



Seems to me that Kindle needs to pull a Michael Vick and surround himself with better people. If it is acceptable to your friends that you can drive them while drunk, regardless of the excuse, then they aren't really your friends; they are your reapers.

The only reason I left out his staircase fall was the report of it being a result of his narcolepsy. It may be that he is uneducated in his own condition, and thinks he can just take meds and be a normal person. It scares me, because then I find things like this:


[url="http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/541/705"]LINK[/url]


[url="http://www.livestrong.com/article/83013-diet-therapy-narcolepsy/"]LINK[/url]

And finally, a [u][url="http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/message-boards/viewtopic.php?t=25790"]forum's response[/url][/u]

The point being that there seems to be a recurring pattern with a portion of people suffering from narcolepsy that have an unfavorable reaction with alcohol. This is a duh moment, because narcolepsy is a neurological disorder and alcohol/caffeine are mental depressors/stimulants. Considering researchers still aren't quite sure of the causes of narcolepsy, why wouldn't someone err on the side of caution?

I think if Kindle surrounds himself with a better crowd that reminds him of the risks of his alcohol consumption, he could finally enjoy a future of better decision making. He could easily die if he continues this reckless attitude.
[/quote]

That's all well and good, but I'm talking about chances [b]with the Ravens[/b]. Ravens. Not in general. It has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, which is his chances with the Ravens.

[bauer77]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1296529792' post='629820']
That's all well and good, but I'm talking about chances [b]with the Ravens[/b]. Ravens. Not in general. It has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, which is his chances with the Ravens.
[/quote]


Glad someone agrees with me...

If by what everyone is saying about Kindle, how we should get rid of him and blah blah blah, then why did we get stallworth. why was everyone so excited when we got him?

in 2007, he was in the substance abuse program.

in 2009, he struck and [u]killed[/u] a man while [u]drunk[/u].

Thats more than 2 chances if you ask me. Im not defending what Kindle did at all, i know he should have been trying to get healthy instead of drinking or what not. But he deserves another chance on this football team.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296523587' post='629680']
The defense would [i]rarely[/i] get pressure with that line.

The 3-4 hybrid D is fine. What's needed is a 3-4 DE of the future capable of providing interior pressure and/or a complement to Suggs on the strong side.



I doubt it.
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I agree that we should retain the 3-4, but why do you say we would "rarely" get pressure with Krueger-Cody-Ngata-Redding?

And I agree, I seriously doubt we get a compensatory pick.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Look people, maybe football will be all he needs to forget about his past and start fresh, being around guys like Ray and others.

[hawkprey]

Contrary to popular belief, people who have alcohol problems are NOT bad people. Neither of Kindle's bahavioral/situational problems have happened during the season or TC. He should be more responsible, but he WILL be more responsible when his mind is focused on the season aka being on the active roster. That's just human nature.

[noy]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1296529792' post='629820']
That's all well and good, but I'm talking about chances [b]with the Ravens[/b]. Ravens. Not in general. It has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, which is his chances with the Ravens.
[/quote]

Because his chances of [size="4"][b]living [/b][/size]has nothing to do with his future with the Ravens? Stop being so naive.

I don't care what you're talking about because you're not talking about the most important issue. He needs to recondition himself for a better future. That's the way he should look at his situation; life or death. He has been very lucky to have had this many incidents without life threatening consequences.

At least I actually care about the guy as a person rather than just a football player.

[Alexir]

Don't care what they do off the field, just what they do on it. Don't watch football for character and to see them as saints, just trying to win some games and keep me entertained for the fall/winter.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1296531009' post='629840']
I agree that we should retain the 3-4, [b]but why do you say we would "rarely" get pressure with Krueger-Cody-Ngata-Redding?[/b]

And I agree, I seriously doubt we get a compensatory pick.
[/quote]

None of those players are consistent pass rushers. Redding isn't beating many tackles at this stage in his career, Kruger doesn't seem to have the athleticism to do it either, Cody isn't a pass rusher period and Ngata, while he improved as one this season, still doesn't have any moves.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296531935' post='629864']
None of those players are consistent pass rushers. Redding isn't beating many tackles at this stage in his career, Kruger doesn't seem to have the athleticism to do it either, Cody isn't a pass rusher period and Ngata, while he improved as one this season, still doesn't have any moves.
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I won't argue with that. In fact, while Cody does have size, from what I've seen, he isn't big (lol) on technique.

Although, Redding did seem to come up with crucial plays at crucial moments late this season, just not in the pass rushing department.

I'm just hoping a line like that (not that we'd EVER have it since I don't see us switching to 4-3) would free up other rushers besides Suggs, which I believe it could do very well.

[ravensdfan]

The man we just promoted to take over the coaching duties for our O line had how many DUIs? I don't see the Ravens giving up on Kindle for this incident. I think it more comes down to whether or not he is medically cleared to play next season. If not, they may not want to pay him for another year with no guarantee that he will ever be able to take the field.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1296532148' post='629869']
I won't argue with that. In fact, while Cody does have size, from what I've seen, he isn't big (lol) on technique.

Although, Redding did seem to come up with crucial plays at crucial moments late this season, just not in the pass rushing department.

I'm just hoping a line like that (not that we'd EVER have it since I don't see us switching to 4-3) would free up other rushers besides Suggs, which I believe it could do very well.
[/quote]

Conditioning and technique are definitely things Cody needs to work on. He needs to lose some fat and add muscle too.

Agreed on Redding. Just another reason I hope the team drafts a quality 3-4 DE who can rush the QB.

Suggs blitzing with that line [i]could[/i] be deadly.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1296531662' post='629858']
Because his chances of [size="4"][b]living [/b][/size]has nothing to do with his future with the Ravens? Stop being so naive.

I don't care what you're talking about because you're not talking about the most important issue. He needs to recondition himself for a better future. That's the way he should look at his situation; life or death. He has been very lucky to have had this many incidents without life threatening consequences.

At least I actually care about the guy as a person rather than just a football player.
[/quote]

Because I was talking about his football career I must not give a damn about him as a human being? Yeah, that totally makes sense. How do you knees feel after that huge jump to that conclusion? I'd imagine they must be pretty sore.

I don't know which statement made today is sillier:
That people who have never worn football pads know nothing of football or because I was referring to his chances with the Ravens, I must not care about Kindle as a person.

Get real. You're the one who came into this and jumped into my conversation with issues that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. If you want to bring up past issues, great, good for you. But don't bring my name into it when I'm not even talking about it. The last thing I need is some pseudo-intellectual contorting my conversation then calling [i]me[/i] naive. But if I'm naive, I suppose I'd much rather be that than some of the adjectives I could come of for others. Word of advice, next time you "don't care" about what I have to say, don't quote me, 'kay?

But you totally hit the nail on the head, I do not care about any football player as a human being. As long as they're paid clowns in pads throwing around a ball for a living, I couldn't care less if they drink and drive, do hard drugs, shoot themselves in the legs in nightclubs, have 28 kids out of wedlock (Cromartie doesn't know how many he has, so how can I?), fall down stairs, or get handsy with women in public restrooms. As long as they entertain me, who cares, right?

[FerrariFan87]

I'd love to see him in purple and black, but it's not really looking too good.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1296528236' post='629786']
I have no strong opinion on Kindle but you do realize that fans are mad because he got a DUI [i]after[/i] he broke his skull? Don't you think that if someone truly wants to play in the NFL and gets drafted by a class act team that they would do all that they could to get better? Instead, Kindle gets pulled over for drinking and given a DUI when the last thing he should be doing with his injury is drinking large amounts of alcohol, enough to get the citation in the first place.

This isn't just "one DUI". I understand that people make mistakes, even professional athletes, but when you have the type of injury that Kindle has the last thing you would want to do is drink then drive. Not only could he have injured his head, again, but he could have also killed someone. This shows immaturity on his end, which is why fans are so mad/disappointed with him.
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Haven't the Ravens learned a lesson with McAllister? If you haven't read the book "Next Man Up" you should. It is a great read, with a lot of interesting insight into the behind the scenes story of the Ravens and some of the players on the team, including the disruption and concerns involving Chris.
I for one have little tolerance for the abuse of alcohol, having divorced an alcoholic who later passed away. Harming yourself is one thing. Innocent people being harmed or killed because of driving drunk is another. I had reservations about Stallworth, but he seems to be truly repentant and reformed, with no other incidences since. He seems to be a man who is using his second chance wisely.

[Shammy]

i dont think this guy is ever gonna play hope im wrong but if he doesnt they should just move on

[darklight1216]

Please address the subject and not each other.