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Of course, it's nice to dream ... but the problem is we have no idea what the heck is going on right now with no CBA.

Would trying sign him put us over the cap? What cap? How much is it? How many UFAs do we really have? If we release/trade some guys with high salaries (McGehee for example) how much of that salary comes off the cap - will there be new parameters regarding that?

Its chaos. I have no idea how Ozzie & Co. have any prayer of doing their job right now when there are no rules to the game.
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I keep seeing post about how Foxworth will make a big difference next yr LOL... Forxworth is a average corner at best and I would take Wilson over him any day. Also I've been saying over and over that Jonathan Joseph is better option financially than Asomugha. Finally Titus Young is a awesome play maker but if it isn't AJ Green or Julio Jones WE SHOULD NOT draft a WR in the first round. Although he would be a great pick up in the second round maybe.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1296253461' post='627554']
& david reed will NEVER make an impact like mason has
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Never is such a strong word. Reed's career is only beginning. Who knows what's in store for him.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1296253461' post='627554']
& david reed will NEVER make an impact like mason has
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Too soon for you to make that comment! :34853_shakehead:
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My bad with the multi post, it did not respond the first 2 times I tried.

I have no idea how anyone could argue the Ravens do not have the cap room or the cash. The Ravens get so many value players, they shuold be able to splurge on a star every once in a while. There is only one guy on the team with a big contract that will be here for a while (Suggs) and only 2 others that should need big contracts (Nagta and Flacco).

CB is a premium position, and guys like Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson have held up well beyond 30 years old. The guys we had this did an admirable job, but we were not able to do a lot of blitzing and leave them on the island.
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hmm ravens due for a payday some of them big... all of our CBs are gone and need to be resigned except Webb and Fox... Ngata(now), Carr(now), Wilson(now) Grubbs(1 year remaining), Rice(2 years), Flacco(3 years)Ed Reed(2 years i think maybe 3)Yanda(now), Gaither(now-if we let him walk we gotta find a new OT)Heap(1 year)Jarret Johnson(1 year) ... tell me do we drop big bucks on one guy and let all of these guys walk??
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WHY DO PPL THINK CARR IS SO GREAT?no1 threw the ball his way cause he was barely in the dam game look at the film its all there webb and wilson started almost all the season foxworth shore aint a starter on this dam team i miss chris mcalister :( these corners are gonna lose games for us like webb o ya third and 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol wow thats sad so two years of these bad DB and we are talking about bringing them back josh was the only1 i can trust do u guys remeber the preseason last year only 1 DB did great and it was cary williams just saying wish they would have gave him a shot
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[quote name='ravekilla' timestamp='1296256774' post='627603']
WHY DO PPL THINK CARR IS SO GREAT?no1 threw the ball his way cause he was barely in the dam game look at the film its all there webb and wilson started almost all the season foxworth shore aint a starter on this dam team i miss chris mcalister :( these corners are gonna lose games for us like webb o ya third and 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol wow thats sad so two years of these bad DB and we are talking about bringing them back josh was the only1 i can trust do u guys remeber the preseason last year only 1 DB did great and it was cary williams just saying wish they would have gave him a shot
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It's not that Carr is so great. But he's extremely serviceable. He's probably the most consistent CB we have. He can be physical and he can make plays.

I don't think anybody thinks he's great, but they do appreciate what he does for us.
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To win it all in the NFL these days the offense has to come first with the ability to both pass for 300 yards on any given Sunday & to eat time off the clock by running when you've got the lead. Then you need to have a stout D to go with it to help hold down the other team. More than anything you have to have quality corners, not a bunch of nickel and dime package guys starting & guys with speed at the linebacker position. Look at the teams who have gotten to the Super Bowl over the past 4 years and look at what they all have in common.
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A good secondary makes a difference. I already posted this but I will repost. Look at the Jets playing the Colts. Peyton Manning didn't even look to his best reciever all game. He's arguably the best QB in the game with arguably the best WR in the game and he didn't even tempt to throw at a shutdown corner! WOW! The Jets against the Patriots, same thing. The Jets didn't blitz a lot. They sacked Brady four or five times with only four guys rushing. Why? Because the coverage was awesome. Let's not underestimate a shutdown corner with a solid secondary.

I say let's try our best to get him. He's worth the money!
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[quote name='RAy lewiss' timestamp='1296257246' post='627616']
in baltimore its defense first then offense
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^^

this is the problem! the Ravens need to be more balanced! both sides of the ball are equally important.
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I hear about people saying that we should go after this guy.Just to let you know,I like him too.I just thought that the price might be too steep but I would love to see Asomugha in a Ravens uniform.
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first off how in the world do u compare Carr, Webb, Foxworth or any of our corners to Asomugha? he is on another level far beyond our CBs. the ravens would be crazy to not try to get him. its a business, you cant put your heart into it and resign guys cause you feel like your letting them down if you dont bring them back. it s all about winning. you franchise Nagta if you feel like Asomugha is to much money, but i don't think the guy is gonna ask for to much if his coming to a winning team. sometimes you have to have to go after the big time free agent. and this is the perfect time for the perfect player. hes the best CB in the league , make it happen ravens !!!
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I agree that Asomugwah would be a great fit for the Defense...But we still need a wideout that streches the field which would open up the passing game and running game as well..Everyone seems to think that Jared Gaither was the reason the offense didnt "CLICK" the way we all antiscipated..I think Jerry Jones burned us twice;Once by talking Jason Garrett into staying and 2ndly by grabbing Dez Bryant right before we were gonna take him..Can any of you imagine what this offense could have been with Dez Bryant and Boldin in the mix??? WOW..I know I felt burnt after watching that draft with eager antisipstation thinking we were about to grab Dez Bryant after NE picked...Thats how I saw it..
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There's no way they get Asomugha...they have to resign Ngata this year and then next year they have the contracts of Flacco and Rice. Despite all the talk pre-season this year about the weak corners, our corners actually performed pretty well overall. If they can resign Carr and Wilson to good contracts, you've got some real god value there, plus they have Foxworth coming back. And chances are the new CBA will include a salary cap, so go pay some guy 15 million a year would be insane. The answer to Ravens offseason is upgrades at O-Line, D-Line, and another playmaker at WR. But knowing how Ozzie works, he will take the best player available come draft day, no matter what position.
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[quote name='beamen1180' timestamp='1296264002' post='627679']
first off how in the world do u compare Carr, Webb, Foxworth or any of our corners to Asomugha? he is on another level far beyond our CBs.
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This is true. Sure our CB core is competent. But adding a wealth of talent back there would be awesome. But I digress. Aso is not that answer, we need to achieve this via the draft one year.
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Ravens have a solid corps of corners and novice football watchers would be wise to try and understand the game before selling off the farm and getting in folks underserving of the dollars. Foxworth was solid in 2009 (4 pics, 21 pbu's 67 tkls, and 2 FF)and would have had better year this year without the ACL. I think he'll be back strong. I think the more solid guy is either Wilson or Carr and the other corner, and Webb coming in at nickle. Now we can't talk CB unless we talk safety, which Reed is the leaders of the whole secondary and just amazing and the true sense of the secondary. Many of fans who do not know the game, continue to state we need a 6'1" corner here to "press" the 6'4" receivers. Guys Cb's at 6'1 don't fare well because they cannot open up the hips, cannot get the stride right and most receivers who are already running forward, have at least 2 steps on these guys. Oh by the way, what good is a receiver 6'1, when the defensive scheme is not to press. U r in trouble, because tall CB's can't open up as quick. If you don't believe it, check the rosters and name 6'1 CB's starters in the league. They move them to safety most of the time for that very reason. Also, those novice fans who suggest paying Asomgha the $$$$, get real. He's not a Champ or Woodson, the top guys in the business. Asomgha, if I spelled the name right, is at best on the same level as Foxworth and Wilson, and if you don't believe that catch some of the Raiders games. He's solid, and I think that Foxworth, Carr and Wilson are also. Money paid in oakland is paid to get people to stay in a loser city, and I'd take it also. Understand that this Ravens secondary of 2009 ranked hihger than the one in 2010, because they did not give up big plays down field and they stopped long balls being thrown on them. [i]<Deleted>[/i]
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@EvanN, you franchise Ngata thats how your able to get Asomugha. and how in the world do u think we can go another season with those CBs? there the reason we couldn't ever really be creative with the defensive play calling. u can keep them but you still try to grab Asomugha.
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[quote name='beamen1180' timestamp='1296269096' post='627751']
@EvanN, you franchise Ngata thats how your able to get Asomugha. and how in the world do u think we can go another season with those CBs? there the reason we couldn't ever really be creative with the defensive play calling. u can keep them but you still try to grab Asomugha.
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Franchise Tagging Ngata is a good way to burn bridges with him. He's in line for a big pay day, the last thing he wants is to be slapped with a tag. You get the deal done you make your player happy.

We might franchise tag him for the time being, so he can't leave, so we iron out the his long term deal. But he would probably have his contract before the season started.

Therefore still no Aso.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1296270604' post='627770']
Franchise Tagging Ngata is a good way to burn bridges with him. He's in line for a big pay day, the last thing he wants is to be slapped with a tag. You get the deal done you make your player happy.

We might franchise tag him for the time being, so he can't leave, while we iron out the details of his long term deal. But he would have a new deal before the season started most likely.
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Good point and agreed! Players hate the franchise tag. They want the big money that a comes with a signing bonus, with a tag they don't get nearly as much and risk the possibility of a injury - keeping them from further earnings.
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All due respect, I would trade Willis, Bulger, and cut Foxworth to make cap room for Asomugha. I love those guys but here's why

McGahee is still good turns 30 this season and he probably has 2 good years in him. We have much faith Jalen Parmele and he's much younger and cost alot less.(Trade him for picks)

Joe Flacco is our qb so why are we paying that much for the backup Bulger? (trade him for picks)

Foxworth just wasn't all that great to begin with plus we threw a bunch of money at him and he's just coming off a serious injury.
(Cut him)
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We are not getting Asomugha period. It makes no sense money wise, and our corners did a good job and will be even better with Webb healthy, and Fox coming back. If you want to improve the secondary, add another pass rusher. Besides, it wasn't our defense that killed us, it was our offense, or lack of. We let so many teams come back because our offense could not sustain drives. Look at the defense ranking vs the offense rankings. If you think the corners were our problem you're just wrong.
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