Need Pass Rush?

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296238591' post='627272']
BTW - TSizzle, I hope you can forgive me for using your comments against one of your own. I just can't help myself when it comes to BloodRaven. lol
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Lies. You love me as much as you love our offense...

Run Sack Run Punt

Pass Pass Fumble

Pass Sack Pass Punt

Run Fumble

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1296240470' post='627306']
Ellerbe and McClain have made lots of plays. I can maybe think of 2 plays Gooden has "made" since he started playing and one of them was when Arian Foster slipped on his own feet and Gooden touched him down and celebrated like he won the SB lol.
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I remember that.

Look at the Vikings game back in '09. The play Gooden made was not losing his angle on All Day and pushing him out of bounds. Ellerbe's big play was dropping Peterson on a pass play with a strong tackle and rolling the guy's ankle.

In three seasons, Gooden doesn't have a sack or INT and has [b]1[/b] pass break-up.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1296240831' post='627315']
I waited for that and knew it was coming when posted it LOL
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I was a little slow in coming up with it actually. lol

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1296241314' post='627322']
Lies. You love me as much as you love our offense...

Run Sack Run Punt

Pass Pass Fumble

Pass Sack Pass Punt

Run Fumble
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Are you trying to make me feel guilty now? haha

[Bltravens]

He is so good that the Pats didnt play him hardly in 09 and nobody signed him this year even though it was an uncapped year.

That and Ray Ray hates AD.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296240743' post='627313']
Neither can the Ravens WR's. lol
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Touché. The first thing that came to my mind when I read about someone dropping a pass that hit them right on the numbers was how our Season ended. The previous post set itself up for failure.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296241399' post='627325']
I remember that.

Look at the Vikings game back in '09. The play Gooden made was not losing his angle on All Day and pushing him out of bounds. Ellerbe's big play was dropping Peterson on a pass play with a strong tackle and rolling the guy's ankle.

In three seasons, Gooden doesn't have a sack or INT and has [b]1[/b] pass break-up.
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For a guy with his athletic ability, I could probably remember a handful of times when Gooden was assigned to a TE with average speed, hesitated to break on the route, and ended up trying to swat the ball down from several yards away. Unfortunately for Tavares, speed isn't a substitute for reflexes and anticipation.

[hawkprey]

We didn't have sacks because we rushed 3 or 4 too many times. How many times did Schaub, Ryan, and Fitzpatrick throw the ball without getting hit?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1296247663' post='627434']
For a guy with his athletic ability, I could probably remember a handful of times when Gooden was assigned to a TE with average speed, hesitated to break on the route, and ended up trying to swat the ball down from several yards away. Unfortunately for Tavares, speed isn't a substitute for reflexes and anticipation.
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Good point. And that hesitation on defense comes when you don't trust what you see.

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1296248169' post='627446']
We didn't have sacks because we rushed 3 or 4 too many times. How many times did Schaub, Ryan, and Fitzpatrick throw the ball without getting hit?
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Mattison didn't blitz enough because he didn't trust the secondary in coverage. Against the Bills, there were times he blitzed and Fitzpatrick still connected on big plays.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1296248169' post='627446']
We didn't have sacks because we rushed 3 or 4 too many times. How many times did Schaub, Ryan, and Fitzpatrick throw the ball without getting hit?
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Probably true, but when you think of the Ravens and a Pass Rush you think of one guy: Suggs.

When you think of the Steelers and a pass rush you think of 2-3 guys: Harrison & Woodley and sometimes Timmons.

The Ravens probably should look at an outside PR specialist. Though it may not be a top priority.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296249392' post='627476']
Probably true, but when you think of the Ravens and a Pass Rush you think of one guy: Suggs.

When you think of the Steelers and a pass rush you think of 2-3 guys: Harrison & Woodley and sometimes Timmons.

[b]The Ravens probably should look at an outside PR specialist. Though it may not be a top priority.[/b]
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It's so frustrating because they've done just that the previous 2 years but neither player has panned out thus far.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296249960' post='627482']
It's so frustrating because they've done just that the previous 2 years but neither players has panned out thus far.
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We tend to have that luck with o-lineman on occasion. We've done good there, but historically, most of our busts have been the o-line.

[Perfekt]

most of our bust have been WRs an QBs well mostly offense lol.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296248952' post='627468']
Mattison didn't blitz enough because he didn't trust the secondary in coverage. Against the Bills, there were times he blitzed and Fitzpatrick still connected on big plays.
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I'm not saying why he sent only a few lineman, I'm saying that's why we didn't generate sacks. All three of those QBs passed around 50 times on us and I don't think we sacked any of them once.

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1296249392' post='627476']
Probably true, but when you think of the Ravens and a Pass Rush you think of one guy: Suggs.

When you think of the Steelers and a pass rush you think of 2-3 guys: Harrison & Woodley and sometimes Timmons.

The Ravens probably should look at an outside PR specialist. Though it may not be a top priority.
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JJ isn't a sack machine but he's actually pretty good. He had trouble earlier in the season with an injury but came back strong towards the end of the year. I would like a guy to sub in for him, but Kindle might be able to fill that role.

Ngata is of course great, other than Redding who is to me, not bad, we don't have much of a weak spot in our front seven. (I like Ellerbe next to Ray, who Harbaugh needed to warm up to before he played him much this season).

Basically when you look at the end of the Ravens season, as you said, they did well in getting pressure and that's what I'd expect more of this year with Pagano.

Pass rush shouldn't be a big concern.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1296257882' post='627623']
I'm not saying why he sent only a few lineman, I'm saying that's why we didn't generate sacks. All three of those QBs passed around 50 times on us and I don't think we sacked any of them once.
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Schaub was sacked twice, Ryan was sacked twice and Fitzpatrick was sacked once but it came with him getting tripped close to the LOS. Still, the pressure the generated on them was sporadic.

McCoy attempting 30 passes in Week 16 and Palmer attempting 45 the last week and neither getting sacked was shameful. Whitworth and Thomas know how to neutralize Suggs but no one else stepped up.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296241399' post='627325']
I remember that.

Look at the Vikings game back in '09. The play Gooden made was not losing his angle on All Day and pushing him out of bounds. Ellerbe's big play was dropping Peterson on a pass play with a strong tackle and rolling the guy's ankle.

In three seasons,[b] Gooden doesn't have a sack or INT and has [b]1[/b] pass break-up.[/b]
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Wow that is terrible. Gooden getting outplayed by undrafted FAs

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296258700' post='627636']
Schaub was sacked twice, Ryan was sacked twice and Fitzpatrick was sacked once but it came with him getting tripped close to the LOS. Still, the pressure the generated on them was sporadic.

McCoy attempting 30 passes in Week 16 and Palmer attempting 45 the last week and neither getting sacked was shameful. Whitworth and Thomas know how to neutralize Suggs but no one else stepped up.
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People always want to slam the Ravens secondary but the cover well with very little pass rush at times.

[omar586]

ellerbe and mcclain are coming back but gooden is not

[AwakenTheDemon]

Not only has Thomas burned all his bridges in Baltimore, he's no where near the player he was when he was a Raven and early in his New England career. Anyone expecting him to be a dominate pass rusher (let alone return to Baltimore) is sadly mistaken and hanging on to his past accomplishments when he's shown he can't withstand the test of time... like some linebackers have.

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1296263020' post='627673']
ellerbe and mcclain are coming back but gooden is not
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You know this how?

[ravenbeast]

adalius thomas and ray don't get along so thats a big no. ill give u another name i think would be a good fit that wouldnt break the bank mathias kiwinuka. a hybrid can play de and olb dont think he has played in a 3-4 but i think he could pick it up since he has played both those 2 positions like suggs thats what a 3-4 olb does plays end and olb and that would help the pass rush so we could use the draft for our wr position and cb i believe gaither will be back to fix the line problem.

[bauer77]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1296264300' post='627686']
Not only has Thomas burned all his bridges in Baltimore, he's no where near the player he was when he was a Raven and early in his New England career. Anyone expecting him to be a dominate pass rusher (let alone return to Baltimore) is sadly mistaken and hanging on to his past accomplishments when he's shown he can't withstand the test of time... like some linebackers have.



You know this how?
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what happened that he burned his bridges? did he bad mouth us when he went to NE? sorry i dont really follow players after they leave us lol

[kagejb]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1296518118' post='629600']
what happened that he burned his bridges? did he bad mouth us when he went to NE? sorry i dont really follow players after they leave us lol
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He had a back and forth with Ray Lewis and a couple of other Ravens.

[reediddy]

[quote name='ravenbeast' timestamp='1296323475' post='627955']
adalius thomas and ray don't get along so thats a big no. ill give u another name i think would be a good fit that wouldnt break the bank mathias kiwinuka. a hybrid can play de and olb dont think he has played in a 3-4 but i think he could pick it up since he has played both those 2 positions like suggs thats what a 3-4 olb does plays end and olb and that would help the pass rush so we could use the draft for our wr position and cb i believe gaither will be back to fix the line problem.
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I agree, Kiwanuka is a good OLB and would probably be an upgrade from JJ. He's versatile enough to play the run and pass. If not Kiwanuka then someone else to take the pressure off Suggs, because honestly at times this past year our pass rush was just sad.

I really think it'd be a huge plus if we could sign Charles Johnson, DE from the Panthers

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1296518498' post='629604']
I agree, Kiwanuka is a good OLB and would probably be an upgrade from JJ. He's versatile enough to play the run and pass. If not Kiwanuka then someone else to take the pressure off Suggs, because honestly at times this past year our pass rush was just sad.

[b]I really think it'd be a huge plus if we could sign Charles Johnson, DE from the Panthers[/b]
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The Panthers would be fools to let him go. Regardless, I don't think he fits the 3-4.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296519660' post='629635']
The Panthers would be fools to let him go. Regardless, I don't think he fits the 3-4.
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*If Pagano switches us to a 4-3

[Alexir]

Thomas is done. Draft is our most cost efficient way of finding a young, healthy pass rusher.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1296526847' post='629748']
*If Pagano switches us to a 4-3
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I hope he doesn't.

[ghost1986]

Well lets just hope Kindle gets healthy and stops drinking or texting while driving. And lets hope he takes it slow up and down the stairs. If he gets cleared, I think he could be the guy to take pressure off Suggs. Or we could try to draft Cameron Heyward from Ohio State.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296248952' post='627468']
Good point. And that hesitation on defense comes when you don't trust what you see.



Mattison didn't blitz enough because he didn't trust the secondary in coverage. Against the Bills, there were times he blitzed and Fitzpatrick still connected on big plays.[/quote]

That was back when Fabian Washington was still starting at CB, wasn't it? I wouldn't trust Fabian to cover Stephen Hawking, let alone an NFL wide out.

AD has lost too much ability from when he played for. If he was still worth the effort, I'm sure that any hostility the team has toward him would be ironed out, but it's just not worth the effort. We have way too many veterans on the team anyways. This team needs some youth, especially on defense.

[XxSizzleXx]

If only he would of stayed with the Ravens instead of chasing the money. That can be said for a lot of former Ravens.