Teryl Austin - Secondary Coach

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1297193677' post='635761']
I dont remember saying Z had more football IQ than Landry, Landry is actually a pretty smart player knowing his assignments and not botching coverages. He doesn't however make any plays within his assignment with breaking up passes or staying on top of routes. I never said Landry had more talent than Z, I was using Ed Reed as an example that athleticism doesn't trump intangible talents. Landry came off a scary injury in 2009, its been 2 years, and that doesn't affect his coverages, if anything it affects his tackling and nightmares he has at night of Jamal Lewis. Landry had 5 picks in 06. Then he had 0 in 07, missed all of 08, had 4 in 09, then had 0 this year. Cleary Landry is not a reliable coverage safety.

Once again, Z is a better athlete than Landry is. And thats what this whole thing was about.
[/quote]One more really big thing, that 0 came from playing with Zibby for the first 6 games. Then he had to compensate for Ed coming off of injury, and they had to get their chemistry right . So i would say that you are wrong about who's the better athlete. But once again great stats and info------But this is football, not fantasy.

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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1297195993' post='635791']
landry's best season in the NFL came as a rookie. No reason why a rookie cant outdo what we've seen from Landry in recent years.
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Keep switching pieces and keep losing. You guys want a new safety, new outside, linebacker, New corners.....and what else can Santa bring us. Oh yeah Santa don't forget that super bowl trophy. I mean really, that is why you bring a DB coach in, to coach the guys you already have. I'm sure he will have done his homework on a few guys he wants to bring in.

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297248255' post='636394']
Keep switching pieces and keep losing. You guys want a new safety, new outside, linebacker, New corners.....and what else can Santa bring us. Oh yeah Santa don't forget that super bowl trophy. I mean really, that is why you bring a DB coach in, to coach the guys you already have. [b]I'm sure he will have done his homework on a few guys he wants to bring in.[/b]
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He's here to coach the secondary, not play GM.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297248255' post='636394']<br />Keep switching pieces and keep losing.  You guys want a new safety, new outside, linebacker, New corners.....and what else can Santa bring us. Oh yeah Santa don't forget that super bowl trophy.  I mean really, that is why you bring a DB coach in, to coach the guys you already have. I'm sure he will have done his homework on a few guys he wants to bring in.<br />[/quote]


okay, you are right, it is silly to upgrade a position, we should start lesser players for the sake of continuity. Lets just hope we spend all our draft picks on backups, that way they dont screw up the team's chemistry.

But wait, why would our DB coach want to bring in a few guys, as you mentioned? For the bench, or could it be that he would rather have a couple new pieces starting for us?,,,,,,,,

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297247672' post='636392']
One more really big thing, that 0 came from playing with Zibby for the first 6 games. Then he had to compensate for Ed coming off of injury, and they had to get their chemistry right . So i would say that you are wrong about who's the better athlete. But once again great stats and info------But this is football, not fantasy.
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I might be inclined to give you that playing with Z is different on two levels but I'm willing to bet you can't tell me the other reason other than the chemistry thing.

Landry played with Reed for 3 full seasons before this year, chemistry was no issue thats an excuse for you.

Z is a better athlete than Landry I dont know why you don't get that, its already been proven. Unless you don't know what the word "athlete" means?

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1297273769' post='636570']
I might be inclined to give you that playing with Z is different on two levels but I'm willing to bet you can't tell me the other reason other than the chemistry thing.

Landry played with Reed for 3 full seasons before this year, chemistry was no issue thats an excuse for you.

Z is a better athlete than Landry I dont know why you don't get that, its already been proven. Unless you don't know what the word "athlete" means?
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Reed had to get back up to game speed that effects chemistry. Playing with zibby its part chemistry, the other part is he is not that good. Z a better athlete is ridiculous, because that does not translate onto the field.

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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1297270087' post='636505']
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okay, you are right, it is silly to upgrade a position, we should start lesser players for the sake of continuity. Lets just hope we spend all our draft picks on backups, that way they dont screw up the team's chemistry.

But wait, why would our DB coach want to bring in a few guys, as you mentioned? For the bench, or could it be that he would rather have a couple new pieces starting for us?,,,,,,,,
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You bring pieces in to sit behind your starters and learn the speed of the game on the NFL level, but im sure you know that. Now for what you may or may not know. Every person that you draft you hope might start for you one day (not immediately)!!So what are you talking about? Chemistry may be the most important element in the game.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297269444' post='636490']
He's here to coach the secondary, not play GM.
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????? you must have two accounts and positive rep yourself. Where does it say i think that he is playing gm?

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297311568' post='637120']
????? you must have two accounts and positive rep yourself. Where does it say i think that he is playing gm?
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You said:

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I'm sure he will have done his homework on a few guys he wants to bring in.
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My post stands.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297311023' post='637110']
Reed had to get back up to game speed that effects chemistry. Playing with zibby its part chemistry, the other part is he is not that good. Z a better athlete is ridiculous, because that does not translate onto the field.
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It does not affect chemistry to the point your trying to make it, especially when you've played with the same guy for almost 4 years.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297312165' post='637127']
You said:



My post stands.
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Db coaches do have influence on who they would like to bring in. That's all im saying. The reason you get a college coach is because he knows who has talent at that level......nuff said

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297357406' post='637356']
Db coaches do have influence on who they would like to bring in. That's all im saying. The reason you get a college coach is because he knows who has talent at that level......nuff said
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Not really.

The reason you have an entire professional scouting department is so you don't need advice from a college coach. Austin is a great coach but other than guys he coached at Florida(like [b]Ahmad Black[/b]), there's no information he can pass on to this team's scouts regarding college players that they can't find out on their own.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297357760' post='637363']
Not really.

The reason you have an entire professional scouting department is so you don't need advice from a college coach. Austin is a great coach but other than guys he coached at Florida(like [b]Ahmad Black[/b]), there's no information he can pass on to this team's scouts regarding college players that they can't find out on their own.
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Game speed and rumors have alot to do with scouting at that level. Our coaches and every other coach in our conference knew things about us that im sure scouts didn't know. You would be surprised.

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297358228' post='637375']
Game speed and rumors have alot to do with scouting at that level. Our coaches and every other coach in our conference knew things about us that im sure scouts didn't know. You would be surprised.
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What? A lot more than "game speed and rumors" go into scouting at the pro level. Plus, with events like senior all-star games, the Combine and Pro Days, teams can get a good handle on prospect with their own eyes.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297358872' post='637384']
What? A lot more than "game speed and rumors" go into scouting at the pro level. Plus, with events like senior all-star games, the Combine and Pro Days, teams can get a good handle on prospect with their own eyes.
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all coaches in college talk to players and our friends, they know where we hang out, if we are trouble makers or not, and if we would be a good addition to there program. Think of it like this, its a meat market where you get to evaluate alot more than talent. All players at that level have talent. You need a college coach to tell you personal info about players.

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297389357' post='637762']
all coaches in college talk to players and our friends, they know where we hang out, if we are trouble makers or not, and if we would be a good addition to there program. Think of it like this, its a meat market where you get to evaluate alot more than talent. All players at that level have talent. You need a college coach to tell you personal info about players.
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Well, all that's obvious. It really has nothing to do with what you said initially though. Like I said before, Austin will have personal info on some players he coached and maybe a few that he recruited, but nothing he knows is going to drastically affect who the Ravens draft.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1297391556' post='637781']
Well, all that's obvious. It really has nothing to do with what you said initially though. Like I said before, Austin will have personal info on some players he coached and maybe a few that he recruited, but nothing he knows is going to drastically affect who the Ravens draft.
[/quote]I got it now, there is a couple of you that hate to be wrong. What i said initially was "Db coaches do have influence on who they would [b]like[/b] to bring in. That's all im saying. The reason you get a college coach is because he knows who has talent at that level."

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297430853' post='637945']
I got it now, there is a couple of you that hate to be wrong. What i said initially was "Db coaches do have influence on who they would [b]like[/b] to bring in. That's all im saying. The reason you get a college coach is because he knows who has talent at that level."
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What have I said in this discussion that's been wrong? Like I've said, it isn't hard to find out who has talent at the collegiate level when you have the resources of a pro team; you don't need a college coach.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1297430853' post='637945']
I got it now, there is a couple of you that hate to be wrong. What i said initially was "Db coaches do have influence on who they would [b]like[/b] to bring in. That's all im saying. The reason you get a college coach is because he knows who has talent at that level."
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Or because Austin already has experience at the NFL level