Teryl Austin - Secondary Coach

[reediddy]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1296498118' post='629316']
Couldn't agree more... I mean, Jon Beason was on a horrendous Carolina team, but I'd take him in a heartbeat.
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That'd be awesome

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296495296' post='629275']
Considering JJ and Chester were here before Harbaugh got here I don't know how you can hold him to that. Besides JJ is a bad pass rusher, but he's about as good as you can ask an OLB to be in everything else.

Nakamura should never see PT on defense, but we got a STs demon in the 6th round...not exactly a bad pick.

I don't see how Z is a bad pick either, when he's played on defense he's played well.

Pitta was just drafted this year as the 3rd string TE, did you really expect 700 yards out of him?
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All of these players lack the it factor. Whether its speed, toughness, awareness, strength, or all of the above. There are glaring weakness's in their respected games. So i think they all can be replaced just not this year but when it comes time to make decisions these are the first people im looking at. Minus pitta because he gets at least 2 more years, i just don't see him offering much.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296620700' post='630846']
All of these players lack the it factor. Whether its speed, toughness, awareness, strength, or all of the above. There are glaring weakness's in their respected games. So i think they all can be replaced just not this year but when it comes time to make decisions these are the first people im looking at. Minus pitta because he gets at least 2 more years, i just don't see him offering much.
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While I agree with you to an extent, you have to have players who can replace them. We all know what happened to the guy who was supposed to push J.J. and ultimately take his place. Some people feel Zibby is starting material, others don't. Haruki is strictly a special teams player. I actually hope Cousins is tendered. Kruger has another year to make an impact and Pitta has time to develop. I won't miss Gooden and Chester.

[ghost1986]

I'm justglad we're probably going to keep Josh Wilson. I'm going to UMD in the fall. Gotta represent.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296620700' post='630846']
All of these players lack the it factor. Whether its speed, toughness, awareness, strength, or all of the above. There are glaring weakness's in their respected games. So i think they all can be replaced just not this year but when it comes time to make decisions these are the first people im looking at. Minus pitta because he gets at least 2 more years, i just don't see him offering much.
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JJ is extremely tough and has great awareness, he's rarely fooled by plays at all, he's also (when not injured) very strong at the point of attack holding the edge. So all JJ lacks is speed, so your wrong with him. Chester is not good, no argument here. Nakamura is a 6th round ST player, not sure what you expect there. Zbikowski is tough and fast, he's also has decent football IQ, he just prefers to play within his assignment and make plays when they come to him. He's a backup safety right now, and I think he could start at SS for us, hes far better in coverage than Landry is and Z is just as willing in run support. The Kruger pick is head scratching to me as well, initially I thought he could get up to 285 and be a constant on the Dline much like Brett Keisel is. But seeing him at 275 he looks like he's maxed out his frame while retaining athleticism, he's too small to play 34 DE, and he was never even close to athletic enough for 34 OLB. I'd really like to know what the FO was thinking with Kruger when they drafted him.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296669538' post='631041']
JJ is extremely tough and has great awareness, he's rarely fooled by plays at all, he's also (when not injured) very strong at the point of attack holding the edge. So all JJ lacks is speed, so your wrong with him. Chester is not good, no argument here. Nakamura is a 6th round ST player, not sure what you expect there. Zbikowski is tough and fast, he's also has decent football IQ, he just prefers to play within his assignment and make plays when they come to him. He's a backup safety right now, and I think he could start at SS for us, hes far better in coverage than Landry is and Z is just as willing in run support. The Kruger pick is head scratching to me as well, initially I thought he could get up to 285 and be a constant on the Dline much like Brett Keisel is. But seeing him at 275 he looks like he's maxed out his frame while retaining athleticism, he's too small to play 34 DE, and he was never even close to athletic enough for 34 OLB. I'd really like to know what the FO was thinking with Kruger when they drafted him.
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Zibby is no where near the athlete that Landry is, im sorry. Terrible punt returner. Definitely not starting material, not just this team any team.

JJ got beat alot this year his age is really starting to show.

Kruger im tired of waiting on, he has been given years to develop and i don't even see him starting to take the next step in his progression.

Chester and Gooden need i say more. Something is telling me Gooden turns into a beast After we release him.

Haruki.....lmao why is he here?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296708417' post='631430']
Zibby is no where near the athlete that Landry is, im sorry. Terrible punt returner. Definitely not starting material, not just this team any team.

JJ got beat alot this year his age is really starting to show.

Kruger im tired of waiting on, he has been given years to develop and i don't even see him starting to take the next step in his progression.

Chester and Gooden need i say more. [b]Something is telling me Gooden turns into a beast After we release him.

Haruki.....lmao why is he here?[/b]
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What has Gooden shown you to suggest he'll be a beast anywhere?

Nakamura is primarily a [b]special teamer[/b].

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296708417' post='631430']
Zibby is no where near the athlete that Landry is, im sorry. Terrible punt returner. Definitely not starting material, not just this team any team.

JJ got beat alot this year his age is really starting to show.

Kruger im tired of waiting on, he has been given years to develop and i don't even see him starting to take the next step in his progression.

Chester and Gooden need i say more. Something is telling me Gooden turns into a beast After we release him.

Haruki.....lmao why is he here?
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You do know JJ was still recovering from surgery the first 6ish weeks, and he said himself he reported to camp at like 240 almost 20 pounds lighter than what he plays at? I already said he cant rush the passer for a damn, but hes about as good in coverage and run support as there is in a 34 OLB in the league. I dont get how you think Z is "nowhere near" the athlete Landry is, dude was a good enough athlete to fight 3 pro boxing matches. Pretty sure Z also ran a 4.45 40 yard with 24 reps on bench. Landry ran a 4.65 while putting up 18 reps on bench. Z also had better 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle times, which are measures of agility and acceleration. So I dont know how Landry is the better athlete. Who cares if he cant return punts, Landry doesn't either.

I already agreed with Kruger,Chester, and Gooden.

Nakamura is basically the ST's captain and is a 6th round pick, what do you want out of him. He was a great 6th round pick.

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296745059' post='631500']
You do know JJ was still recovering from surgery the first 6ish weeks, and he said himself he reported to camp at like 240 almost 20 pounds lighter than what he plays at? I already said he cant rush the passer for a damn, but hes about as good in coverage and run support as there is in a 34 OLB in the league. [b]I dont get how you think Z is "nowhere near" the athlete Landry is, dude was a good enough athlete to fight 3 pro boxing matches.[/b] Pretty sure Z also ran a 4.45 40 yard with 24 reps on bench. Landry ran a 4.65 while putting up 18 reps on bench. Z also had better 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle times, which are measures of agility and acceleration. So I dont know how Landry is the better athlete. Who cares if he cant return punts, Landry doesn't either.

I already agreed with Kruger,Chester, and Gooden.

Nakamura is basically the ST's captain and is a 6th round pick, what do you want out of him. He was a great 6th round pick.
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Definitely agree. I remember an article wherein a number of scouts, along with Eric DeCosta, pegged Zbikowski in the Top 10 of the best current Ravens' athletes, with Ray Lewis and Anquan claiming that he's arguably the best athlete on the team. Granted that Landry isn't a slouch, but Zibby's abilities on the gridiron alone give him the advantage, not to mention his boxing resume: 75-15 as an amateur and 1-0 as a professional.

[flynismo]

Does anyone else miss the Tony Bruno Show on Madden?

[Romo Ravens]

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Does anyone else miss the Tony Bruno Show on Madden?
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No but I do miss Alex Flanagan.

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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1296764726' post='631705']
Does anyone else miss the Tony Bruno Show on Madden?
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That's a blast from the past, but yes, without a question. That and the other million things which were nixed after being available on the previous Maddens. This is probably the only gaming franchise that loses features during new releases. "Oh, so you loved the idea of playing as Ed Reed, or any other current player in Superstar mode? Well, we removed it, as well as the abilities of having a home that upgraded with your reputation and reading newspapers, which included important and interesting stories. We also reduced the amount of interviews to virtually zero, since you probably don't want to be bothered in your mindless routine of playing each game without any, 'distractions.'"

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296709691' post='631433']
What has Gooden shown you to suggest he'll be a beast anywhere?

Nakamura is primarily a [b]special teamer[/b].
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James Harrison type deal with Gooden. He has amazing speed and power just needs a little fine tuning. Nakamura playing special teams only is a joke. We can find so many players just to play special teams, Preferably someone that can return kicks also.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296786201' post='631973']
James Harrison type deal with Gooden. He has amazing speed and power just needs a little fine tuning. Nakamura playing special teams only is a joke. We can find so many players just to play special teams, Preferably someone that can return kicks also.
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Your first sentence makes no sense. Gooden is nothing like Harrison. He has also has an amazing lack of durability and low football IQ.

A 6th round safety mostly playing special teams is a "joke"? Not really. Secondly, Haruki doesn't "only" play special teams. The guy isn't good defensively but he does get snaps in certain dime packages.

The team already has kick and punt returners. Not sure what you're watching.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296745059' post='631500']
You do know JJ was still recovering from surgery the first 6ish weeks, and he said himself he reported to camp at like 240 almost 20 pounds lighter than what he plays at? I already said he cant rush the passer for a damn, but hes about as good in coverage and run support as there is in a 34 OLB in the league. I dont get how you think Z is "nowhere near" the athlete Landry is, dude was a good enough athlete to fight 3 pro boxing matches. Pretty sure Z also ran a 4.45 40 yard with 24 reps on bench. Landry ran a 4.65 while putting up 18 reps on bench. Z also had better 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle times, which are measures of agility and acceleration. So I dont know how Landry is the better athlete. Who cares if he cant return punts, Landry doesn't either.

I already agreed with Kruger,Chester, and Gooden.

Nakamura is basically the ST's captain and is a 6th round pick, what do you want out of him. He was a great 6th round pick.
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40 times cone drill and boxing is all i got out of that post. Look honestly the guy was in for six weeks right. Six weeks 14 tackles 0 picks 0 touchdowns 3 assist and the worst punt returning i have seen on a professional level. Our scout team return man could have done better.Landry 83 tackles 25 assist 1 int td 1 sack and all the respect in the world coming back off the neck injury. Are you kidding me ? The only regret i have, is that he doesn't box too ,so i can see who would win that as well.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296786811' post='631979']
Your first sentence makes no sense. Gooden is nothing like Harrison. He has also has an amazing lack of durability and low football IQ.

A 6th round safety mostly playing special teams is a "joke"? Not really. Secondly, Haruki doesn't "only" play special teams. The guy isn't good defensively but he does get snaps in certain dime packages.

The team already has kick and punt returners. Not sure what you're watching.
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I was referring to the cutting him and later him turning into a beast like we did Harrison. But since we are talking about Gooden he has a low football IQ because he doesn't get reps. We can fix that. He has alot of football left in him and im sure he will press the envelope next year. Barring injury of course. Haruki was sad this season period, not sure why you are defending him at all. 6th round lol he shouldn't have been drafted at all.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296787386' post='631988']
I was referring to the cutting him and later him turning into a beast like we did Harrison. But since we are talking about Gooden he has a low football IQ because he doesn't get reps. We can fix that. He has alot of football left in him and im sure he will press the envelope next year. Barring injury of course. Haruki was sad this season period, not sure why you are defending him at all. 6th round lol he shouldn't have been drafted at all.
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You have no proof to suggest Gooden would take off like Harrison has.

No, Gooden has low football IQ because he simply lack good instincts and likely doesn't immerse himself in film like Ray and Ed do. One "impact play" in three seasons alone is proof of that.

He can "press the envelope" somewhere else next season.

I'm defending Haruki because you've made some ignorant claims about him. He was woeful on defense, that can't be denied. However, he played well on special teams. Obviously you weren't paying attention or just don't want to admit you've been proven wrong.

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296786900' post='631981']
40 times cone drill and boxing is all i got out of that post. Look honestly the guy was in for six weeks right. Six weeks 14 tackles 0 picks 0 touchdowns 3 assist and the worst punt returning i have seen on a professional level. Our scout team return man could have done better.Landry 83 tackles 25 assist 1 int td 1 sack and all the respect in the world coming back off the neck injury. Are you kidding me ? The only regret i have, is that he doesn't box too ,so i can see who would win that as well.
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Since when does being the best athlete equal automatic production? Assessing a player's physical ability revolves around numbers, not statistics, i.e. the Al Davis School of Thought. Is every solid NFL player an amazing athlete? No. And who mentioned anything about lacking respect for what he's gone through?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296786900' post='631981']
40 times cone drill and boxing is all i got out of that post. Look honestly the guy was in for six weeks right. Six weeks 14 tackles 0 picks 0 touchdowns 3 assist and the worst punt returning i have seen on a professional level. Our scout team return man could have done better.Landry 83 tackles 25 assist 1 int td 1 sack and all the respect in the world coming back off the neck injury. Are you kidding me ? The only regret i have, is that he doesn't box too ,so i can see who would win that as well.
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Your unbelievable, first off Z and Landry play different positions, Landry is with 7-10 yards of the LOS for the majority of his snaps. Z played the deep 1/3rd like Ed does when Z played. Also we were disputing athleticism, I gave you proof that Z is as good an ATHLETE if not better than Landry with actual tangible measurements of athleticism.

But thanks for rehashing Landry's sentimental story for me.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296787386' post='631988']
I was referring to the cutting him and later him turning into a beast like we did Harrison. But since we are talking about Gooden he has a low football IQ because he doesn't get reps. We can fix that. He has alot of football left in him and im sure he will press the envelope next year. Barring injury of course. Haruki was sad this season period, not sure why you are defending him at all. 6th round lol he shouldn't have been drafted at all.
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Gooden had no football IQ when he played every damn snap at Miami, thats why he was a 3rd round pick, he has no idea how to make checks or read keys. He does not have a football mind, hell even when Ray is telling him where to go and what to do he still can't do it half the time. I have tape of Ray and Gooden lining up for a blitz in the Saints game, and Gooden goes to the wrong damn side and Ray first yells at him and points to the other side, Gooden looks around and then Ray has to push him to get him to goto the other side of the LOS.

Again Nakamura is a SPECIAL TEAMS player, you know like Ayanbadejo made an entire career on.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296788284' post='631997']
You have no proof to suggest Gooden would take off like Harrison has.

No, Gooden has low football IQ because he simply lack good instincts and likely doesn't immerse himself in film like Ray and Ed do. One "impact play" in three seasons alone is proof of that.

He can "press the envelope" somewhere else next season.

I'm defending Haruki because you've made some ignorant claims about him. He was woeful on defense, that can't be denied. However, he played well on special teams. Obviously you weren't paying attention or just don't want to admit you've been proven wrong.
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Haruki on special teams isn't even that good. How ignorant is that. The guy is terrible point blank period. Gooden however does have the physical tools to be good in this league. I just wish he would get in the weight and film room all off-season.

[PuRock]

I[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296888274' post='632737']
Haruki on special teams isn't even that good. How ignorant is that. The guy is terrible point blank period. Gooden however does have the physical tools to be good in this league. I just wish he would get in the weight and film room all off-season.
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His physical tools seem to break down a lot. He is fragile like Humpty Dumpty.,, i think that will prevent him to be all that he can be.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1296789816' post='632005']
Since when does being the best athlete equal automatic production? Assessing a player's physical ability revolves around numbers, not statistics, i.e. the Al Davis School of Thought. Is every solid NFL player an amazing athlete? No. And who mentioned anything about lacking respect for what he's gone through?
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Since when does being the best athlete equal automatic production? (answer) Its called potential he has way more potential then Haruki. I can't even think of a worst player on this team than him. Please don't compare Haruki, Zibby, and Landry there really is no comparison-------Landry by a mile.

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296838081' post='632159']
Your unbelievable, first off Z and Landry play different positions, Landry is with 7-10 yards of the LOS for the majority of his snaps. Z played the deep 1/3rd like Ed does when Z played. Also we were disputing athleticism, I gave you proof that Z is as good an ATHLETE if not better than Landry with actual tangible measurements of athleticism.

But thanks for rehashing Landry's sentimental story for me.
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So Zibby should have at least half the picks Ed got then right? Since thats all he does is ball hawk. Piss poor tackler no int's and he is as good as Landry..... lmao. What makes him good on the football field explain that? Because you like him lol You guys have got to be kidding me.

[flynismo]

Potential is a word for people who haven't done crap yet -- perfect description of Gooden. Look, I thought the guy was going to be a faster version of Bart Scott. I have no problem admitting that I was waaaayy wrong about that. Dude prob isn't ever going to amount to anything, even on ST. If any of the young bucks get any playing time at any of the LB spots, including ILB, it should be Kruger.Landry...he's okay. In a perfect world, we will be drafting a safety who will make the Landry vs Zibby debate moot.BTW, Zibby is 100x the athlete Landry is.

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296888497' post='632739']
Since when does being the best athlete equal automatic production? (answer) Its called potential he has way more potential then Haruki. I can't even think of a worst player on this team than him. Please don't compare Haruki, Zibby, and Landry there really is no comparison-------Landry by a mile.
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I'm sorry. I was under the impression that Nakamura was never a part of my argument, although he must've been, since you've taken the liberty of mentioning him twice. Potential also involves having a football IQ, since pure athleticism is only a part of the definition. Countless players have stated that Landry's football knowledge is among the best in the secondary. I would assume that having knowledge of his assignment during every play might kind of, somewhat contribute to production, no? No, not at all. Apparently Landry does it all with his blazing speed and brute strength. So you know what? You're right. There isn't the slightest possibility that Ray Lewis, Anquan Boldin and Eric DeCosta could possibly have a better idea than a mere individual fan. With multiple people asking you to showcase a single argument that illustrates Landry's apparent spectacular athletic abilities, you still end up throwing statistics into the mix. Let's make things a little easier.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/athlete

"A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports."

I wonder whether the Combine may test on any of the above. Apparently not, since tests that specifically designed to analyze strength, agility and speed actually manage to measure none of the above. Amazing. As a matter of fact, I'm midway through typing up a letter to all of the future combine participants, urging them not to fly out to Indianapolis. Tell me, are you planning to write a book on your well researched findings in the near future? I am in dire need of something to prop up my coffee table.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1296888274' post='632737']
Haruki on special teams isn't even that good. How ignorant is that. The guy is terrible point blank period. Gooden however does have the physical tools to be good in this league. I just wish he would get in the weight and film room all off-season.
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The hole gets deeper...

Haruki has done nothing but shine on special teams since the team drafted him. Mike Preston raved about his tenacity as a gunner in a column and on the radio the day after the second Browns game.

Regarding Gooden, you're in denial. The man has done next to nothing in three years but make a few plays in pre-season and delivered one or two big hits on special teams. Ask yourself why Jameel and Ellerbe, despite being undrafted and having flaws of their own have made impact plays in their time here while Gooden hasn't.

[Thepurplehaze]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1296891184' post='632746']
Potential is a word for people who haven't done crap yet -- perfect description of Gooden. Look, I thought the guy was going to be a faster version of Bart Scott. I have no problem admitting that I was waaaayy wrong about that. Dude prob isn't ever going to amount to anything, even on ST. If any of the young bucks get any playing time at any of the LB spots, including ILB, it should be Kruger.Landry...he's okay. In a perfect world, we will be drafting a safety who will make the Landry vs Zibby debate moot.BTW, [b]Zibby is 100x the athlete Landry is[/b].
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Absolutely ridiculous statement. Landry is a farrrr better tackler than Zibbs. Landry was like 13th or something in the league in tackles at strong safety!

[flynismo]

,[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1296893887' post='632752']<br />Absolutely ridiculous statement.  Landry is a farrrr better tackler than Zibbs. Landry was like 13th or something in the league in tackles at strong safety!<br />[/quote]


wow...another one who does not know what ATHLETE means. Good job, genius.,,,,

[flynismo]

No, thats not Rasta. Even he knows better than to point to how many tackles Landry has as evidence that he is a better ATHLETE than Zibby.I have an idea...the message board should give out free handguns and booze, and let natural selection run its course.