2 WRs That Could Be Free Agents

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1296073992' post='625330']
Agreed , we need to worry about our defense before it becomes non ext. I hope we draft Harris, get a pass rusher.

I think we have a great WR core, even if one doesnt return , we still have plenty. [b]Reed can be are deep threat that everyone is so worried about. Next season i just want to see our WRers Talents used properly.[/b]

I would talk about the O line but i think thats priority 1 anyways or atleast get Gaither in the line up if possible and keep him on LT, Oher on the right. [b]And i read somewhere that Birk will be back. I guess Birk being back for one more year wont be bad as long as he is healthy. No one really talked about Birk until he tryed putting the ball up his butt anyways, myself included.[/b]

Like i said before worry about the Defense and let them win the game and the [b]Offense just not lose it. Plus with Cam being back , would we use the Talent that we would get anyways, i dont think so, we didnt this yr.[/b]
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Reed is still unproven though. The rookie WR the team drafts will be as well but the WR corps is in desperate need of game-changing speed.

A number of people on this forum noted Birk's decline during the season. It was pretty obvious with how little room the RBs saw up the middle.

I certainly agree the defense and o-line needs to be improved but the Ravens have asked their offense not to lose the game for too long. Players capable of big plays regardless of the situation need to be brought in.

Cam did a lot of boneheaded things with personnel but execution being crisp didn't make him look good many times either.

[Raven07]

ive been reading some of the posts on here and it seems as though saying we already have stallworth AND boldinat this point in time, on the contrary, we have only boldin, stallwoth, and Housh signed (i believe ) 1 year deals and so the only lock at WR us boldin at this point as it stands RIGHT now,though im sure we will resign one of the two, and possibly both IF....they come back reasonably.

[Ravenmore74]

I don't like Holmes just the mere fact that he has to many connections to the Steelers. According to sports broadcasters Holmes and Ike Taylor are good friends. You don't want a friend of Ike Taylor on this team?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296073083' post='625312']
Rang and Reuter are crazy.

It's too early to tell right but some names are coming to the forefront and the team is very interested in WRs at the Senior Bowl right now.



I'm just not feeling MSW. There are reasons the Jags don't want him back and the last time he was a consistent performer was early '09.
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But MSW just wasn't in a position to succeed with the Jaguars. Garrard's play is declining and that offense just revolves around MJD which makes it hard for any other skill position player not named Marcedes Lewis to succeed. I don't think that MSW is a legit number one, but coming to Baltimore as a number two could really elevate his game, as long as he thinks he's not worth more. But like you, I don't really want any more established WR's, namely stop gap players, it's time to get some youth, but if he could be had for cheap, I'd be all for it.

[berad]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1296080363' post='625441']
I don't like Holmes just the mere fact that he has to many connections to the Steelers. According to sports broadcasters Holmes and Ike Taylor are good friends. You don't want a friend of Ike Taylor on this team?
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Many NFL players are friends with each other. Ray Lewis is friendly with some players of all of the other teams in the division. I'm sure people on this board have friends that are Steelers fans. My father is a Bengals fan, my grandfather a Browns fan.

In essence: doesn't matter.

[Ravenslifer]

I don't think either Edwards or Holmes would be available. To me, the real question is Sidney Rice, whether or not Leslie Frasier wants to keep him or just try to draft someone to play alongside Harvin. Rice has good size and could be that vertical threat we need. He's the only guy I'd really want besides Holmes (I've seen enough of Edwards to know he'd just add to our problems with dropped passes). If not either of those two, then the draft is, I think, the best route.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1296001136' post='624695']
Why would we want Edwards?
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Because when Mason retires and Housh/Stallworth leave for another team where they get playing time... the fans will need someone else to blame to keep the heat off of Flacco!

[AsianRice]

We need to use our draft to get solid #1 WR, a rookie who can grow with Joe.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1296082305' post='625465']
Because when Mason retires and Housh/Stallworth leave for another team where they get playing time... the fans will need someone else to blame to keep the heat off of Flacco!
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I want to ignore you, but I also want to hear what nonsense you'll say next.....

[1/28/01]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1296083214' post='625478']
We need to use our draft to get solid #1 WR, a rookie who can grow with Joe.
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Priority should be a quality compliment to Suggs.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1296080363' post='625441']
I don't like Holmes just the mere fact that he has to many connections to the Steelers. According to sports broadcasters Holmes and Ike Taylor are good friends. You don't want a friend of Ike Taylor on this team?
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Are you asking or saying you don't want Holmes on the team? Your post is, once again, confusing.....

(damn, I missed post 5,000 a few days ago....congrats to me!)

[berad]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1296083825' post='625495']
Are you asking or saying you don't want Holmes on the team? You post is, once again, confusing.....
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HAHA, I didn't even notice that. I guess being a friend of Taylor is, in this case, a good thing

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1296082305' post='625465']
Because when Mason retires and Housh/Stallworth leave for another team where they get playing time... the fans will need someone else to blame to keep the heat off of Flacco!
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If Mason retires than Housh would get playing time... If you're going to be pessimistic about everything at least make some logic in your argument.

[grape drank]

The point of getting a speed receiver, or Tall receiver is to get a deep threat who can command double coverage and open up space for our possession guys like Boldin, and Housh underneath.

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1296006022' post='624779']
Before we think about more WR, we need to figure out how to get the ball to these guys!
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Well it's not like Joe can't throw the ball, he just ain't getting the time he needs! (And thats long )

[die_hard_raven]

It's hard for me to think about adding players to a position to help us get better when the team doesn't even maximize on the talent they have. I feel the offense has enough weapons to help them score, they just don't use them. Once the staff puts players in a position to maximize on their skills to know what the can and cannot do then I see no point at adding more receivers with big names. That could just lead to even more frustration than we had this year.

When you take the fastest receiver on the team and don't involve him in the offense and only use him on end arounds like he's not capable of executing any other play then what will we gain by adding more tools? The coaches need to get their minds right or it will just be talent wasted.

[boots0608]

you know the name i dont hear at all but should be talked about more in free agency? Vincent Jackson. He is so ideal for the ravens right now. Boldin, Jackson, David Reed. Middle, Long (Big and Tall), and Speed. Thats a receiving core to look out for. I say go for Vincent Jackson. Mason should retire. Release Stallworth and Houshmanzadah and resign Ngata and Wilson. Do whatever we can with Carr. We'll have foxworth back next year and in the draft we can go defesne with out first pick since we'll have out receiver situation all set up. Just saying.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='boots0608' timestamp='1296187203' post='626822']
you know the name i dont hear at all but should be talked about more in free agency? Vincent Jackson. He is so ideal for the ravens right now. Boldin, Jackson, David Reed. Middle, Long (Big and Tall), and Speed. Thats a receiving core to look out for. I say go for Vincent Jackson. Mason should retire. Release Stallworth and Houshmanzadah and resign Ngata and Wilson. Do whatever we can with Carr. We'll have foxworth back next year and in the draft we can go defesne with out first pick since we'll have out receiver situation all set up. Just saying.
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V-Jax will likely want a huge contract. Having paid Boldin what they did last season, I don't see why the Ravens should invest even more in the position when cheap, young talent hasn't hurt other teams.

[boots0608]

true. but we dont know what is gonna happen with the cba and salary caps and everything. Speed. We need speed. all around the team. we just look slow. and as much as i like a speedy holmes i enjoy size just as much. burress, jackson. those guys are great receivers because they are like 6'5". throw it up to them. chances are they will get it. they will at least go up and get it. but really, would it hurt to put the money into two great receivers? were young at o-line. we can draft defensive players. what other blockbuster deals are we going to make in the offseason? no way we get asumugha. getting kindle back will help this team more than a lot of people realize. maybe this "hardy boy" we got can step up like stevie johnson did last year for the bills. 6'5" receiver. the only problem is if mason or houshmanzadah come back there is no way the young receivers are going to get a chance to play.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='boots0608' timestamp='1296188264' post='626843']
true. but we dont know what is gonna happen with the cba and salary caps and everything. Speed. We need speed. all around the team. we just look slow. and as much as i like a speedy holmes i enjoy size just as much. burress, jackson. those guys are great receivers because they are like 6'5". throw it up to them. chances are they will get it. they will at least go up and get it. but really, would it hurt to put the money into two great receivers? were young at o-line. we can draft defensive players. what other blockbuster deals are we going to make in the offseason? no way we get asumugha. getting kindle back will help this team more than a lot of people realize. maybe this "hardy boy" we got can step up like stevie johnson did last year for the bills. 6'5" receiver. the only problem is if mason or houshmanzadah come back there is no way the young receivers are going to get a chance to play.
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From what I've heard, the signs point to the CBA only being resolved after the draft, which means FA would be later than usual.

Speed is obviously a necessity and the Ravens will able to address it through the draft.

Plaxico had his moments but he was never great. V-Jax is really good but he's not on the level of some shorter WRs.

The o-line is young but there are still issues at tackle and center that have to be addressed. For one, Yanda has to re-signed. Defensive players will likely be drafted.

The biggest deal will be locking up Ngata and after a huge re-signing like that, I think the team would be better off going young.

V-Jax is a fine player but I just don't believe there's a need to break the bank for him.

[boots0608]

yeah i guess ur right. yanda is a great guard. oher needs to be back at right tackle. what will we do at left? who knows. we dont really need to go center this year. 1 more year from birk then we can address that next year. i suppose we can rely on youth at receiver, but that means we need to give them the chance to play. kindle being able to play would be great. that would give us the chance to go ILB in the draft for rays opposite and future replacement, not unless you think gooden, mcclain, or ellerbe are the answer. josh wilson is a must resign too. i think webb, wilson, and foxworth make a decent secondary. could even upgrade at strong safety but landry isnt playing terrible.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='boots0608' timestamp='1296190809' post='626907']
yeah i guess ur right. yanda is a great guard. oher needs to be back at right tackle. what will we do at left? who knows. we dont really need to go center this year. 1 more year from birk then we can address that next year. i suppose we can rely on youth at receiver, but that means we need to give them the chance to play. kindle being able to play would be great. that would give us the chance to go ILB in the draft for rays opposite and future replacement, not unless you think gooden, mcclain, or ellerbe are the answer. josh wilson is a must resign too. i think webb, wilson, and foxworth make a decent secondary. could even upgrade at strong safety but landry isnt playing terrible.
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Left tackle can either be addressed by re-signing Gaither or the draft.

I think center is a definite need. Birk has knee issues this season and could easily break down again next season.

You're right about the young WRs needing to get an opportunity.

I'm not convinced any of those ILBs are long-term answers, even though I like Ellerbe and think Jameel has some potential.

I agree with you on the secondary but I fear some random team will pay Wilson handsomely because he's just entering his prime.

[boots0608]

you always have to think, baltimore hypes our players more than they need to be. wilson played great last year but he also played great in seattle the year before. i dont think hes going anywhere. i think carr will go somewhere though, maybe. i think theres a team out there willing to pay him more than we're willing. ive always like gooden to be honest. his speed makes him very versatile at that ILB position. just another case of the injury bug. center is probably a position we can address in free agency, if we have to switch some players around. offesnive lineman, especially those interior guys are usually very versatile. most guards can play center. id like to see what that harewood boy can do. hes huge, and very very intelligent. just another draftee who was injured. i dont think oniel cousins is going anywhere with us. just doesnt seem to be progressing. with all the linebacker talk we havent even considered jarret johnsons playing time. if kindle can come back and play, are they really gonna sit johnson down? could be some trade bait there. but all this wishing we can do, the organization is usually pretty safe in free agency and predictable. we dont take the high risk moves even if there is high reward. steve mcnair past his prime. mason just exiting his prime. boldin 1 year too late even though hes still in his prime. housh and stallworth playing for peanuts. i wouldnt mind some risk taking

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='boots0608' timestamp='1296192077' post='626926']
you always have to think, baltimore hypes our players more than they need to be. wilson played great last year but he also played great in seattle the year before. i dont think hes going anywhere. i think carr will go somewhere though, maybe. i think theres a team out there willing to pay him more than we're willing. ive always like gooden to be honest. his speed makes him very versatile at that ILB position. just another case of the injury bug. center is probably a position we can address in free agency, if we have to switch some players around. offesnive lineman, especially those interior guys are usually very versatile. most guards can play center. id like to see what that harewood boy can do. hes huge, and very very intelligent. just another draftee who was injured. i dont think oniel cousins is going anywhere with us. just doesnt seem to be progressing. with all the linebacker talk we havent even considered jarret johnsons playing time. if kindle can come back and play, are they really gonna sit johnson down? could be some trade bait there. but all this wishing we can do, the organization is usually pretty safe in free agency and predictable. we dont take the high risk moves even if there is high reward. steve mcnair past his prime. mason just exiting his prime. boldin 1 year too late even though hes still in his prime. housh and stallworth playing for peanuts. i wouldnt mind some risk taking
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If by "Baltimore", you mean the fans, every city hypes it's players.

I hope you're right about Wilson. He gave up some plays and missed a tackle or two but was the team's best CB.

You could be right about Carr.

Gooden may be versatile but I can't even remember the last time he made a play on defense.

I don't know that "most guards" can play center as well. I'm not really aware of the free agent center either so I won't speculate.

I'm excited to see what Ramon can do too.

J.J.'s playing time would likely decrease but Kindle returning alone is a big "if", even though I'm hopeful.

[boots0608]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296192798' post='626935']
If by "Baltimore", you mean the fans, every city hypes it's players.

I hope you're right about Wilson. He gave up some plays and missed a tackle or two but was the team's best CB.

You could be right about Carr.

Gooden may be versatile but I can't even remember the last time he made a play on defense.

I don't know that "most guards" can play center as well. I'm not really aware of the free agent center either so I won't speculate.

I'm excited to see what Ramon can do too.

J.J.'s playing time would likely decrease but Kindle returning alone is a big "if", even though I'm hopeful.
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growing up lineman arent always lineman and once they are they try all kinds of positions. thats what we have coaches for. usually the backup center is some kind of guard or reserve tackle. although some teams carry two centers. but thats what makes us so good as an organization, we do find players who are versatile. just because you dont see gooden make plays doesnt mean he cant. dont forget hes a "U" player. i havent seen reed do anything besides his runbacks, doesnt mean he cant do anything else. if you really think about it, at ILB besides an aging, slower ray lewis, we have a good depth of mediocre players. gooden, ellerbe (whos young and has a tendency to make just dumb bone headed plays), mcclain, ayenbadejo. we just need to see who is ready to make that big step. two things you can always say about baltimore, we will have good linebackers and we will have good fullbacks.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='boots0608' timestamp='1296193961' post='626951']
growing up lineman arent always lineman and once they are they try all kinds of positions. thats what we have coaches for. usually the backup center is some kind of guard or reserve tackle. although some teams carry two centers. but thats what makes us so good as an organization, we do find players who are versatile. [b]just because you dont see gooden make plays doesnt mean he cant. dont forget hes a "U" player. i havent seen reed do anything besides his runbacks, doesnt mean he cant do anything else. if you really think about it, at ILB besides an aging, slower ray lewis, we have a good depth of mediocre players. gooden, ellerbe (whos young and has a tendency to make just dumb bone headed plays), mcclain, ayenbadejo. we just need to see who is ready to make that big step. two things you can always say about baltimore, we will have good linebackers and we will have good fullbacks.[/b]
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Gooden has been with this team for three seasons. He missed most of his first due to injury and was then outplayed and lost his job to Jameel and Ellerbe in '09 while getting hurt again. The same thing has happened this year. The guy just isn't a good defensive player.

Him being from Miami means squat. I root for Miami but you don't see too many younger Hurricanes making an early impact like before(reportedly due to bad coaching).

D.Reed has shown potential. But he was a rookie this season, so obviously I'm not going to judge him the way I'll judge someone like T-Good.

ILB definitely needs to and probably will addressed in the draft.

[march4superbowl]

I really feel we should use the draft to solidify our defensive units.. With Flacco in his fourth year i feel confident he will improve, and we will surely see that reflect on offensive production. we need to stay true to tradition "DEFENSE"...

[boots0608]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296194678' post='626959']
Gooden has been with this team for three seasons. He missed most of his first due to injury and was then outplayed and lost his job to Jameel and Ellerbe in '09 while getting hurt again. The same thing has happened this year. The guy just isn't a good defensive player.

Him being from Miami means squat. I root for Miami but you don't see too many younger Hurricanes making an early impact like before(reportedly due to bad coaching).

D.Reed has shown potential. But he was a rookie this season, so obviously I'm not going to judge him the way I'll judge someone like T-Good.

ILB definitely needs to and probably will addressed in the draft.
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well i said earlier gooden has had the injury bug. probably a big reason he was outplayed. he may never be the same player again. may never get another chance to start. but i think all those Linebackers need a shot to see what they can do. look at antwan barnes. he went to san diego this year and became a key contributor to their pass rush. another guy who was never given a legitimate shot.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='boots0608' timestamp='1296195376' post='626966']
well i said earlier gooden has had the injury bug. probably a big reason he was outplayed. he may never be the same player again. may never get another chance to start. but i think all those Linebackers need a shot to see what they can do. look at antwan barnes. he went to san diego this year and became a key contributor to their pass rush. another guy who was never given a legitimate shot.
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Personally, I don't think any of the ILBs on the team have locked down the job but the coaches know more than anybody.

Barnes had three years but he reportedly has problems with the coaches. Again though, we don't know what exactly those were issues were.

[boots0608]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296195648' post='626968']
Personally, I don't think any of the ILBs on the team have locked down the job but the coaches know more than anybody.

Barnes had three years but he reportedly has problems with the coaches. Again though, we don't know what exactly those were issues were.
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i wouldnt doubt if it was his playing time but like you said only the coaches know. but football players arent going to be perfect. they are men and they are going to want to play and they are going to want to speak. i wouldnt want any football player on the ravens that didnt make it known that he thinks that he can contribute and he wants to contribute. thats why kindle got me so excited when we drafted him. he said im going to be rookie of the year. i was like alright thats a player right there. a couple mistakes later he has to eat those words. i hope he still has that drive cuz hes gonna have to work harder than ever to get back on the field. id really hate to have to think what if with this guy.