Ravens On PFW's Super 50

[Ed_Reed20]

[i]Pro Football Weekly[/i] has started their "Super 50" list which ranks players strictly on what they did during the 2010 season.

"Coaches and evaluators" league-wide contributed to the list so it's got some merit.

Here's the first entry.

[url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/25/pfws-super-50-nos-41-50"]Link[/url]

[b]Flacco[/b] is an honorable mention. [b]Matt Cassel[/b] is ranked #47.

[b]Ray[/b] is ranked #42, sandwiched between [b]Larry Fizgerald[/b] and [b]DeSean Jackson[/b] and ahead of first team All-Pro [b]Jerod Mayo[/b].

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I'd struggle to finish that list of forty remaining names given the ten already in place and the honorable mention list.

Brady is surely top, however.

[Alexir]

If they got Tamba Hali, Peyton Hillis, Brandon Lloyd and McFadden as Honorable mentions, this list better be good....

For what those 4 guys did for their teams, I would put them ahead of Larry Fitzgerald....

[ROH522155]

Cassel over Flacco is a joke..look what happened when Cassel actually played a good team in the playoffs

[Alexir]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' timestamp='1296022673' post='624978']
Cassel over Flacco is a joke..look what happened when Cassel actually played a good team in the playoffs
[/quote]

Yeah but Cassel was more valuable to his team. He started off slow and turned it up with Bowe in the last 10 games.

I think Flacco could of went there instead but It's whatever.

[bdravens]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' timestamp='1296022673' post='624978']
Cassel over Flacco is a joke..look what happened when Cassel actually played a good team in the playoffs
[/quote]
Exactly the words I was gonna say.

[Ed_Reed20]

Part 2 came out today.

[url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/26/pfws-super-50-nos-31-40"]Link[/url]

On the Ravens' front, [b]Rice[/b] is ranked #37 and in between [b]Asomugha[/b] and [b]Tramon Williams[/b].

I'm taking note of the QBs to get an idea of where the league sees [b]Flacco[/b] fitting in. [b]Jay Cutler[/b] is ranked #40.

[Alexir]

I'm not really agreeing with the order of this list....

[Mick0311]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' timestamp='1296022673' post='624978']
Cassel over Flacco is a joke..look what happened when Cassel actually played a good team in the playoffs
[/quote]


I don't know about a "joke". I could see an argument either way, but you have to admit, the Cassel to Bowe connection was pretty nice there for a bit. You can't throw one game out there. I mean, look how Flacco played against the Bengals, and they sucked this year. That wouldn't be a fair assessment of his whole season.

[Sizzle]

Im not surprised, id pick cassel over flacco also.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Mick0311' timestamp='1296063979' post='625173']
I don't know about a "joke". I could see an argument either way, but you have to admit, the Cassel to Bowe connection was pretty nice there for a bit. You can't throw one game out there. I mean, look how Flacco played against the Bengals, and they sucked this year. That wouldn't be a fair assessment of his whole season.
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Fair point, but the Chiefs had a doo doo schedule this year. Anyone who doesnt admit that is kidding themselves. Flacco would have done more than Cassel did this year against some of those defenses Cassel played.

[hawkprey]

Cassel had one of the best O-lines in the league and the best running game to set up his throws. Not to mention the lack of good defenses he had to play against. No QB had an easier time under center.

[bauer77]

so this list is based on what the player did during the season right? or is it who was most important to their team?

[berad]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1296069020' post='625239']
so this list is based on what the player did during the season right? or is it who was most important to their team?
[/quote]

Seems to be a combination of both, which adds to the confusion...

[bauer77]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1296071845' post='625277']
Seems to be a combination of both, which adds to the confusion...
[/quote]

then it should've included the playoffs too right? lol cause then Flacco should be where Cassell is IMO. Flacco didnt have any like "huge" games this year, but he was good enough for this team to make it to the playoffs and blowout Cassell's chiefs.

[berad]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1296072209' post='625286']
then it should've included the playoffs too right? lol cause then Flacco should be where Cassell is IMO. Flacco didnt have any like "huge" games this year, but he was good enough for this team to make it to the playoffs and blowout Cassell's chiefs.
[/quote]

I agree, Flacco should be over Cassell. Especially when you consider how utterly crappy our running game and offensive line was, the burden of moving the ball fell on Joe and the receivers. But, who cares about these? They're not official by any means.

By the way, when do the MVP, OPOY, and DPOY awards come out?

[bauer77]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1296072564' post='625298']
I agree, Flacco should be over Cassell. Especially when you consider how utterly crappy our running game and offensive line was, the burden of moving the ball fell on Joe and the receivers. But, who cares about these? They're not official by any means.

By the way, when do the MVP, OPOY, and DPOY awards come out?
[/quote]


True true lol


and i believe next week sometime?

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1296072564' post='625298']
I agree, Flacco should be over Cassell. Especially when you consider how utterly crappy our running game and offensive line was, the burden of moving the ball fell on Joe and the receivers. But, who cares about these? They're not official by any means.

By the way, when do the MVP, OPOY, and DPOY awards come out?
[/quote]

The entire list of dates for all the awards can be found:
[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81de80f4/article/nfl-network-to-announce-ap-nfl-awards-during-sb-week"]Here.[/url]

Or, to save some time:

[quote]Monday, Jan. 31 Comeback Player of the Year
Tuesday, Feb. 1 Offensive Player of the Year
Wednesday, Feb. 2 Coach of the Year
Thursday, Feb. 3 Pepsi Rookie of the Year**
Friday, Feb. 4 Offensive & Defensive Rookie of the Year
Saturday, Feb. 5 Defensive Player of the Year
Sunday, Feb. 6 Most Valuable Player[/quote]

[berad]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1296081783' post='625459']
The entire list of dates for all the awards can be found:
[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81de80f4/article/nfl-network-to-announce-ap-nfl-awards-during-sb-week"]Here.[/url]

Or, to save some time:
[/quote]

That's awesome, thanks!

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296061765' post='625139']
Part 2 came out today.

[url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/26/pfws-super-50-nos-31-40"]Link[/url]

On the Ravens' front, [b]Rice[/b] is ranked #37 and in between [b]Asomugha[/b] and [b]Tramon Williams[/b].

I'm taking note of the QBs to get an idea of where the league sees [b]Flacco[/b] fitting in. [b]Jay Cutler[/b] is ranked #40.
[/quote]
Jay Cutler at #40 is a joke

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1296072564' post='625298']
I agree, Flacco should be over Cassell. [b]Especially when you consider how utterly crappy our running game and offensive line was, the burden of moving the ball fell on Joe and the receivers.[/b] But, who cares about these? They're not official by any means.

By the way, when do the MVP, OPOY, and DPOY awards come out?
[/quote]

Like you said, nobody cares about these, not even our own fans. Get Joe a good offensive line, get the running atack going again, inject some youth and quickness into this offense, and Flacco can put up AR numbers. But for some reason, the FO seems to neglect one or more of these areas, repetitively.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1296092780' post='625618']
Like you said, nobody cares about these, not even our own fans. Get Joe a good offensive line, get the running atack going again, inject some youth and quickness into this offense, and Flacco can put up AR numbers. But for some reason, the FO seems to neglect one or more of these areas, repetitively.
[/quote]

Not true.

The o-line was addressed but nobody anticipated Gaither losing 30lbs. and going down the entire season, or the two backup tackles both getting hurt before the season started.

The WRs with quickness and speed caught two balls between them, ran 6 end arounds and the two fastest TEs were often forgotten.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1296094506' post='625639']
Not true.

The o-line was addressed but nobody anticipated Gaither losing 30lbs. and going down the entire season, or the two backup tackles both getting hurt before the season started.

The WRs with quickness and speed caught two balls between them, ran 6 end arounds and the two fastest TEs were often forgotten.
[/quote]

Dammit, ER20! When will you ever agree with me on something!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1296109229' post='625763']
Dammit, ER20! When will you ever agree with me on something!
[/quote]

Nevaaaarrr!

Here's Part 3. [url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/27/pfws-super-50-nos-21-30"]Link[/url]

[b]Ed[/b] comes in at #26, [b]Haltoi[/b] at #23 and [b]Suggs[/b] at #22.

[b]Andre Johnson[/b] is #21.

[b]JOSH FREEMAN[/b] makes the list at #27.

[grape drank]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1296072209' post='625286']
then it should've included the playoffs too right? lol cause then Flacco should be where Cassell is IMO. Flacco didnt have any like "huge" games this year, but he was good enough for this team to make it to the playoffs and blowout Cassell's chiefs.
[/quote]
Flacco would be at the bottom of the list if it included play offs, a pick, and a bobbled fumble in the 3rd quarter on the first play of 2 drives right after Ray Rice fumbled on the first play of the first drive, letting the steelers get back into the game. I love joe but...come on mannnn..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1296167941' post='626264']
Flacco would be at the bottom of the list if it included play offs, a pick, and a [b]bobbled fumble[/b] in the 3rd quarter on the first play of 2 drives right after Ray Rice fumbled on the first play of the first drive, letting the steelers get back into the game. I love joe but...come on mannnn..
[/quote]

That play wasn't his fault.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

This list claims it's the "Top 50 players of 2010", and the league interception leader and the guy billed as the most dominant defensive tackle in the league don't make the top 20?

It's definitely losing credibility in my eyes.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1296067008' post='625220']
Fair point, but the Chiefs had a doo doo schedule this year. Anyone who doesnt admit that is kidding themselves. Flacco would have done more than Cassel did this year against some of those defenses Cassel played.
[/quote]


Fair point as well.

[callahan09]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1296167941' post='626264']
Flacco would be at the bottom of the list if it included play offs, a pick, and a [b]bobbled fumble[/b] in the 3rd quarter on the first play of 2 drives right after Ray Rice fumbled on the first play of the first drive, letting the steelers get back into the game. I love joe but...come on mannnn..
[/quote]

Yeah, that wasn't a bobbled fumble in any way shape or form. Center snapped it into his own leg and it bounced forward in front of him, Joe couldn't get anywhere near it and never touched the ball and it wasn't his fault.

[Ed_Reed20]

Here's part 5. [url="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/01/29/pfws-super-50-nos-1-10"]Link[/url]

I think I gave the people who helped create this list too much credit. The top 5 QBs and Peppers aside, [b]none[/b] of the other four are top 10 material in my book.