[Blogs] Ravens Trust Flacco WILL Take Games Over

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295464524' post='617602']
Yes, and? Aaron Rodgers has shown that he is a good QB. Joe Flacco has shown that he is a good QB, too. I'm failing to see your point.
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"flacco has shown" he is a good QB on a consistent basis, Flacco has???? Flacco has taken this team on his shoulders and leads this offense?? The thing that is so irritating is that he shows glimpses of his talent, the offense showed glimpses of their ability but they never did it consistently nor when it mattered most.

Honestly, I think Flacco is a good QB - but he's got a lot to learn and to prove to be considered a great QB then even more to prove he can be an elite QB...but as the JETS proved against Manning and Brady, even elite QB's can lose...

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295466456' post='617656']
I thought it was the ball bouncing off his hands on fourth down?
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i thought maybe it was running out of bounds with the ball 10 yards deep, i thought it was not being able to make it through a 4 receiver progression before dumping off to Rice, i thought it was a botched snap, i thought it was a pick on a ball that should have never been thrown when the safety was on that side of the hash mark spying on Heap...but yeah Boldin should have caught the TD pass, and Housh should have caught the 4th down pass...but all of those wouldn't have been so important had the previous not happened...

[Purple nd Black]

Flacco is the best QB Bmore has had!

[Militant X 1]

Flacco needs to step his game up even more!

he's a good Qb...not a great one...yet! he has a ways to go but Cam was sooooo intrumental in stunting his growth as a QB with his vanilla, predictable, and ultra-conservative playcalling and by not allowing Joe to check in and out of plays (audibles) based upon what he saw on the field.

Joe simply can't improve under those conditions! take the reigns off of this throughbreed and let him run!

[berad]

[quote name='ibleedpurpleandblack' timestamp='1295467661' post='617707']
i thought maybe it was running out of bounds with the ball 10 yards deep, i thought it was not being able to make it through a 4 receiver progression before dumping off to Rice, i thought it was a botched snap, i thought it was a pick on a ball that should have never been thrown when the safety was on that side of the hash mark spying on Heap...but yeah Boldin should have caught the TD pass, and Housh should have caught the 4th down pass...but all of those wouldn't have been so important had the previous not happened...
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You think any QB has time to go through a 4-receiver progression against Pittsburgh with their pass-rush? Or that it's somehow Flacco's fault that Matt Birk snapped the ball too early? I never said Joe Flacco played a great game but to put the blame all at his feet is both unfair and baseless.

Just because the pass was more "important" than it should have been does not excuse you from dropping it.

[HardKnocks]

A toddler I would take the pamper off, a baby no. When the baby is pamperless and pee on the floor who is to blame, not the baby the one who took off the pamper.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295467891' post='617713']
You think any QB has time to go through a 4-receiver progression against Pittsburgh with their pass-rush? Or that it's somehow Flacco's fault that Matt Birk snapped the ball too early?

Just because the pass was more "important" than it should have been does not excuse you from dropping it.
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Birk didn't botch the snap, it was a silent count and the ball is snapped when the QB puts pressure on the ummmm, hiney of the center - that was all Flacco...

and sorry it wasn't just against Pitt that he showed that inability to do a full progression.

never said that was an excuse for them dropping it, it sounded from what you were saying that they are the only ones to blame - bottom line that game should have never ever never ever never ever came down to a 4th and 1...why did it, yes the defense gave up 24 unanswered points but 21 of them came off of a Rice fumble, Flacco fumble and Flacco INT all inside the Steelers 30yd line.

[BlackbirdFlock Gang]

i agree PITCH52BLACK when you have a horse you dont keep in the house u put em in the field and let em run take the saddle of his back and let the young man do him. And another thing who's bright idea was jim zorn, isnt he the same guy who just ran washington in the whole? im just sayin.

[HardKnocks]

I believe in Flacco and see him being our QB for a long time, I just already knew he wasn't ready for the tuff battle. I was praying everyone else saw that as well and gave Bulger the playoff chance. What was wrong with Bulger he was a Raven, I will never understand that from a must win prospective not a don't pull the QB prospective.

[berad]

[quote name='ibleedpurpleandblack' timestamp='1295468306' post='617728']
Birk didn't botch the snap, it was a silent count and the ball is snapped when the QB puts pressure on the ummmm, hiney of the center - that was all Flacco...

and sorry it wasn't just against Pitt that he showed that inability to do a full progression.

never said that was an excuse for them dropping it, it sounded from what you were saying that they are the only ones to blame - bottom line that game should have never ever never ever never ever came down to a 4th and 1...why did it, yes the defense gave up 24 unanswered points but 21 of them came off of a Rice fumble, Flacco fumble and Flacco INT all inside the Steelers 30yd line.
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Birk did [i]botch[/i] the snap, Flacco wasn't signalling for the ball to be snapped. On the replay, you can clearly see Flacco signalling for a receiver to come in motion. It was Birk. You're only kidding yourself.

The only reason Flacco wouldn't be able to get through a progression was because of a sloppy OL. He was sacked 40 times this season, 9 in the playoffs. That's not okay.

Maybe the game shouldn't have come down to that but it's up to the Ravens to pull themselves together when it does. Dropping passes in the fourth quarter and allowing the Steelers to convert a third and 19 is not championship football.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='HardKnocks' timestamp='1295467959' post='617717']
A toddler I would take the pamper off, a baby no. When the baby is pamperless and pee on the floor who is to blame, not the baby the one who took off the pamper.
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Cam didn't take the diaper off of Brees, didn't take the diaper off of Rivers, didn't take it off in Miami and he ain't taking it off of Flacco. Flacco needs to take it off himself and pee on Cam's shoes and show him he is a big boy - Flacco has yet to do that with the aformentioned ROOKIE mistakes in his THIRD YEAR!!!! Next year will be his 4th and the year after that his 5th....

I've said it before, his 1st year he was a rookie had noone to throw to, 2nd year was his 2nd year and had noone to throw to, 3rd year he had one of if not the best receiving corp and yelp same result. IF it ain't Flacco then it's Cam, if it ain't Cam then it's Flacco...you decide but something has to change...

[instinctofatiger]

hardknocks just stop talking what coach in the history of football would change qb to a backup who played no snaps against the steelers lol ur a chump and a dreamer bottom line the whole team lost that game def the cordinators

[jsn.Archie]

Im reading all these comments and all of you really are right. Flacco is a good qb not great just good for now. Yes everyone knows that Cam holds him back but I think you all fail to see just one thing. Why do you think Jim Zorn our qb coach hasnt let Joe take control? Hes an agressive coach. I think they see one thing that we dont. I think they see a qb who isnt really ready to lead. Sure he knows how to run an offense, and sure maybe he can read defenses as well as Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. What I saw in the playoffs was a talented qb who can throw the ball a mile, accuratley. I saw a young qb that knows how to play but cannot lead. Not once did Joe Flacco get his team pumped up and fired up to go out and take the feild even after we had three straight posessions where we turned the ball over. Instead I saw a qb emotionless sitting on the sideline waiting for his team to go out and do it again. I think its going to take an important situation where Flacco goes against everyones word and audibles a play call to a risky one that works and Joe is doing his own Drew Brees thing getting his players ready, fired up, and eager to win. Just show that your not a robot qb Flacco.

[The Voice]

The fact that Flacco was so scared in the 2nd half really bothers me. I like Joe but he does have a tough time reading the coverage. I may get negs but I really think it should be an open QB competition this training camp. I see nothing wrong with that.

[HardKnocks]

@ibleedpurpleandblack

Exactly, Cam not holding Flacco back, Flacco just isn't there yet to say i'm a man got dammit and this is what I'm going to do to win these games. Do anyone think Cam would say no Joe you can't win that way. Cam wishing Flacco would step up so people stop blaming him.

[instinctofatiger]

BOTTOM LINE u have to find it funny but were living in a fantasy land if we think it is a rivialry when we play the steelers cause they have dominated us for years until we can prove that we can beat them and big ben we will never make it to the superbowl

[HardKnocks]

[quote name='instinctofatiger' timestamp='1295468655' post='617740']
hardknocks just stop talking what coach in the history of football would change qb to a backup who played no snaps against the steelers lol ur a chump and a dreamer bottom line the whole team lost that game def the cordinators
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Chump, huh walk my way. nuff said

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295468493' post='617734']
Birk did [i]botch[/i] the snap, Flacco wasn't signalling for the ball to be snapped. On the replay, you can clearly see Flacco signalling for a receiver to come in motion. It was Birk. You're only kidding yourself.

The only reason Flacco wouldn't be able to get through a progression was because of a sloppy OL. He was sacked 40 times this season, 9 in the playoffs. That's not okay.

Maybe the game shouldn't have come down to that but it's up to the Ravens to pull themselves together when it does. Dropping passes in the fourth quarter and allowing the Steelers to convert a third and 19 is not championship football.
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I concur, Sat's performance all around was not Championship football but again i digress to my previous comments...fumble, fumble, int 3 and out, 3 and out blah blah blah - story of the entire season...nothing changed and guess what nothing will - we will continue to do what we've done and continue to get what we've got.

[Adriano]

He will be one of the best ever played. He just needs more time and a better OC.

[ryanw52]

@ THE VOICE- that would not show flacco that we are confident in him. flacco is the man for baltimore. we gotta back him up

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='HardKnocks' timestamp='1295468944' post='617752']
@ibleedpurpleandblack

Exactly, Cam not holding Flacco back, Flacco just isn't there yet to say i'm a man got dammit and this is what I'm going to do to win these games. Do anyone think Cam would say no Joe you can't win that way. Cam wishing Flacco would step up so people stop blaming him.
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to a degree Cam is cause it's one play called and one play ran - several players have said that all throughout the season. If it's cause of Flacco's inability read defenses (which he has shown he has problems with) or Cam's refusal to remove Flacco from the teet - is yet to be known...i think a combo of both but you know what, when i was learning how to ride my bike, my father eventually took of the training wheels and let me ride and eventually I learned my way - 4th year QB next year let's see what actually changes...if they even play that is

[Rayvens2superbowl]

For goodness sake give the dude a chance hes on the same pace Dan Marino (who is arguably the best QB ever) in so many categories

[Flacco4President]

Bottom line 10/16 games Flacco put up a QB rating of 90 . His QB rating for the season was 93.6. Yes, at times he appeared rattled playing Pittsburgh but, as much as I hate to say it, they have an outstanding defensive unit. He is tied with Dan Marino as having the most regular/post season wins for a 3rd year QB. He's 25 years old. He has all the tangibles and is still developing the intangibles. He's not quite there yet, but Joe Flacco will be something special. That said Cam Cameron really, really needs to go.

[GregRaven]

Getting rid of Cam can only help the QB growth process.

[HardKnocks]

@ibleedpurpleandblack
I agree with that, that just goes to show that Flacco hasn't been ready for 3 years straight to take on 2-3 plays at once.
@Rayvens2superbowl
Flacco played a total of 53 games not including preseason, isn't that a chance. We not looking for best stats ever, we looking for championships.

[RavenArmor]

How can anyone doubt Flacco's ability when his QB rating was like the top 3 after the week debacle against the Bengals?

[bmoresinceday1]

i hate cam too guys but dang.. am i the ONLY person who thinks it was more flacco's fault then cam? flacco missed way too many open recievers this season, we had way too many close games for our talent, we should have dominated most of those close games, boldin and housh were on the field, and flacco wasnt throwing to them. except for stallworth he was never on the field except for those stupid end arounds

[The Voice]

@ryanw52 This is not High School, this is the NFL. If Joe needs other people to give him confidence then he can go cry wolf because thats a whole separate issue. That being said I still really like Joe and the offensive line had much to do with the bad games he had. I just think we need a open QB Competition and if he can't take that pressure than he sure as hell can't take the Steelers pressure!

[HardKnocks]

We may have little to no time to teach Flacco new things with a new OC with the agreement going on in the NFL. If he really wants to improve him and Cam along with some practice squad receivers should spend a lot of this offseason together.
A QB rating means your either dominate like Brady or a manager like Joe.

[Obeythebeak]

yes, the unimaginativness of the entire offense after we went up big lost us this game, not flacco. Let it go. and also, boldin and housh droped very very very very key passes that were right on the money