[Blogs] Ravens Trust Flacco WILL Take Games Over

[joey.clark]

Ithink if they take the reins off,flacco would show the improvement every one wants to see.get him some youth, in his receivers!

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295464275' post='617595']
Who said he wasn't? Maybe not on the field but I'm sure his experience and knowledge was invaluable in team meetings and film study.



Rodgers is in his third year starting, now, but he's had six years in the NFL learning behind Brett Favre...
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All those ILB we have have had years of experience learning from Ray Lewis but they can't hold a candle to Ray Lewis. If you have the goods it will show you can't learn talent you either got it or you don't in the NFL.

[HardKnocks]

@berad

Oh in film study, the place where Flacco can't catch on. Maybe Flacco should have been on sideline study so Bulger could have shown him a thing or 2 or 3.

[berad]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1295464436' post='617598']
All those ILB we have have had years of experience learning from Ray Lewis but they can't hold a candle to Ray Lewis. If you have the goods it will show you can't learn talent you either got it or you don't in the NFL.
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Yes, and? Aaron Rodgers has shown that he is a good QB. Joe Flacco has shown that he is a good QB, too. I'm failing to see your point.

[Black&Purple4Ever]

ther is nothin wrong with flacc attack its his offensive linemen

[berad]

[quote name='HardKnocks' timestamp='1295464520' post='617603']
@berad

Oh in film study, the place where Flacco can't catch on. Maybe Flacco should have been on sideline study so Bulger could have shown him a thing or 2 or 3.
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Do you have any proof that this is the case or do you just enjoy making unsubstantiated claims and bashing Joe Flacco?

[HardKnocks]

@berad

Proof, since people like talking stats. Look at Bulger stats when the Rams were at their best, that team was very very similiar to this team, Marshall/Rice, Holt/Mason, Bruce/Boldin and they didn't even have a TE at our caliber not to mention our kind of defense.

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295464524' post='617602']
Yes, and? Aaron Rodgers has shown that he is a good QB. Joe Flacco has shown that he is a good QB, too. I'm failing to see your point.
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Aaron rogers never gave the game away by fumbling the ball late in the 4th inside the 20 yard line because he can't see the obvious SS coming off the D line on a all out blitz, I picked that up and I was at home sitting in my recliner.

The point is Joe Flacco can't convert clutch third downs. Clutch third downs are moments in the game when you need the conversion, moments that could cost you the game if you can't convert. The reason we went 12-4 this year is our defensive unit. Ray Lewis even said the defense was playing like it did the year we won the superbowl. Joe Flacco was apart of the team BUT he didn't get us to 12-4 that is absurd. When you have a defensive that at times forces 6 turn overs a game. If you don't win then there is really something wrong.

[ravenswewt]

@surihtanil well it may not have been a SS blitz but in the 4th against the falcons (regular season) rodgers fumbled it and they lost... and also remember when we were blowing all of the fourth q leads and everything was the defenses fault? how is that the reason we were 12-4 now and we only had the 1 6 TO game against the chiefs ur just spewin garbage

[SuRihtanil]

When the weight of the game was put on Joe when our defensive couldn't stop high powered offense such as the Falcons, Pats or Steelers Joe couldn't come through and keep up and keep us ahead. I am sorry but Joe is just a average QB he could be better if he figures out how to get the ball to open receivers and stop forcing it into tight man coverage. He could be better if he could read defensive blitz a bit better and throw the ball away before getting pummeled to the turf or get it away to Boldin who at times had been standing, jumping, and yelling for the ball but Joe hung onto the ball a few more secs and ended up picking the turf out of his faceguard.

I had high hopes Joe, but let me say the hope isn't dead yet. He can still improve and show the rest of the NFL what he is made of next season. I would like to see him come out next year and just get the job done nothing fancy, don't rely on the Ravens defense to win the game rely on himself and his crew of offensive guys to know they will win the game even if the D doesn't show up. Its easy to talk junk when you sit at a computer desk yes? but the facts are there and Joe just needs to improve because its very hard to win a superbowl when your QB can't convert and move the ball down the field in big time games.

[berad]

[quote name='HardKnocks' timestamp='1295464842' post='617614']
@berad

Proof, since people like talking stats. Look at Bulger stats when the Rams were at their best, that team was very very similiar to this team, Marshall/Rice, Holt/Mason, Bruce/Boldin and they didn't even have a TE at out caliber not to mention our kind of defense.
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You're comparing those hall of fame players to the ones on our roster, now? They're not the same. The Ravens, on offense, are not as talented as those Rams teams. In addition, Mike Martz was running the show then, he's one of the greatest offensive minds in NFL history... we have Cam Cameron...

And you bring up Bulger's amazing teammates? I thought it didn't matter who was around him? Turns out, it does. Football is a team sport.

[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1295464859' post='617616']
[b]Aaron rogers never gave the game away by fumbling the ball late in the 4th inside the 20 yard line because he can't see the obvious SS coming off the D line on a all out blitz, I picked that up and I was at home sitting in my recliner. [/b]

The point is Joe Flacco can't convert clutch third downs. Clutch third downs are moments in the game when you need the conversion, moments that could cost you the game if you can't convert. The reason we went 12-4 this year is our defensive unit. Ray Lewis even said the defense was playing like it did the year we won the superbowl. Joe Flacco was apart of the team BUT he didn't get us to 12-4 that is absurd. When you have a defensive that at times forces 6 turn overs a game. If you don't win then there is really something wrong.
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You're right. Rodgers fumbled away the game in OT during the playoffs when a safety came on a blitz and stripped him of the ball. [color="#0000FF"][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_cMv3CaBo"]LINK[/url][/color]. I mean, that's the exact same scenario and everything. WOW.

In which games did the defense force 6 turnovers and we didn't win? The defense was good this year, not great, they were definitely nothing like the 2000 unit. The passing offense was our only offense.

[JohnJohnson]

Take the water wings off and throw Flacco in the water! He needs to learn, and he'll either sink or swim. Enough of your BS Cameron.

[ravenswewt]

god i cant believe all of these fairweathered fans! what if indi had taken the reigns away from peyton when he had those wretched first few seasons and its not like joe flacco is doing bad lol 3 straight winning seasons 3 straight playoff appareances 3 straight seasons with playoff victories and he is improving just had the best statistical season of his career...

[OrganizedChaos2052]

Pretty much what SuRihtanil said sums up my thoughts...

[HardKnocks]

When I talk football with my friends who played football and the ones who didn't play. I hear a logically story and a I don't really know about football story.
The tail of the tape speaks for itself, the receivers was mad at the QB not the coordinator. Ask Boldin if he's shy, ask him would he get in an OC face if he was a poor decision maker. The answer, well we already saw the answer in Arizona.

[EvanN]

I think the berating of Joe needs to stop. This team was 12-4 this season, a 3 game improvement from last year, and in total during the regular season since the Flacco/Harbaugh season, the team is 32-16.The team has made the playoffs three straight years, and have won at least one game each year in those playoffs and has an AFC Championship appearance. Please explain to me what else some of you fans want? No one expects Flacco to be Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. And even if he was those guys, please tell me where those QBs are right now? The same place Joe is-chilling at home. Football is team game, and the Ravens have a great team. They just didn't do enough to beat a good PIT team on the road last week. To sit here and say Flacco is the reason this team "can't make it" or he is Kyle Boller is an absolute ridiculous thing to say. Do you know how many franchises/fan bases would love to be as successful as the Ravens? Do you know how many teams would kill to have Flacco as their QB? How many offenses have success against a team like PIT? There's a reason they are ranked, um, #1 in team D! If you think Flacco is Boller, you dont remember Boller.

[SuRihtanil]

I am not arguing with you Berad I dunno if you're a Ravens fan or a Steelers secret spy. If you feel the need to try to flame war me and other diehard Raven fans over you thinking Joe Flacco is a elite QB? Then go for it because me and tons of other Ravens fan can see he isn't a elite QB. And Joe Flacco still needs to improve his game to get us to the ultimate goal which is the superbowl.

I am not berating Joe I just think he needs to improve if we're going to win a championship.

[berad]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1295465729' post='617631']
I am not arguing with you Berad I dunno if you're a Ravens fan or a Steelers secret spy. If you feel the need to try to flame war me and other diehard Raven fans over you thinking Joe Flacco is a elite QB? Then go for it because me and tons of other Ravens fan can see he isn't a elite QB. And Joe Flacco still needs to improve his game to get us to the ultimate goal which is the superbowl.
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I'm not flaming you, what are you talking about? I don't think Joe is elite, I never said that, but he is a hell of a lot better than "average". It's obvious Flacco needs to improve, every player on our offense does.

But, really, you have nothing to argue with. Please respond to the actual post. You said Aaron Rodgers never fumbled a game away on an undiagnosed safety blitz? [color="#0000FF"][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_cMv3CaBo"]Really?[/url][/color] Players make mistakes. Even Aaron Rodgers.

[HardKnocks]

I'm going to tell it like it is regaudless of what anyone thinks, saying that.
Jos is a good QB who needs much improvement, yes I want him on my team.
Secondly Championships are not about your starter, it's about your team.
Saying that Flacco playoff production cost us 3 straight years.
Do think he can become what you all think he already is, yes.
Is he that now, No.

[RAVENSfanINmi]

SuRihtanil-
Rodgers is good, but he sat behind favre for all those years before he even STEPPED on the field. He's had time to sit and process and kinda see what a HOF QB does first hand.
Flacco is coming into his own. He will be great, and hopefully lead us to the SB. I mean, Rodgers just won his FIRST playoff game this year. Matt Ryan...um let me see, ZERO (0) playoff wins. Sanchez, he won by the good graces of being let in to the playoffs last year by the colts and then beating the lowly bengals.
Flacco will be the man to take us all the way. Ours is a culture of instant gratification. Things don't always happen that way. Obviously some things need to change (OC) and flacco needs to work on some things. But all in all, I have faith.

[GoingUpTop]

If you believe in Joe than you can't believe in Cam at the same time. It's one or the other but probably what's more accurate is to say that it's a little of both.

Or maybe more like 75-25.

The fact is Cam didn't fumble the snap, throw any ints this year or step out of bounds while getting chased instead of throwing the ball away.

However Flacco didn't choose to run a three te set against the steelers in the second half, throw deep with the only option past the sticks being Heap, or sit on the lead time and time again. He also didn't abandon the three wide set or bench Ray Rice after the fumble.

Problem is we only see Flacco with Cam while we have plenty of evidence of Cam in San Diego doing the same thing;

Remember in 06 when the chargers played in Baltimore and jumped out to a 14-0 lead? Then they waited for the ravens to catch up and clung to a 14-10 lead only to see Heap leap into the endzone with less than a minute left to go up 17-14 and win? I'm sure people in San Diego weren't pleased.

Or how bout in the playoffs when he just waited to beat the Pats (a very bad pats team no less) and in tern lost the game.

Then in Miami the Dolphins go 1-15 but don't forget they lost most (if not just about all) of their games by 3 points. Just 3. Sound familiar?

Cam is a Marty clone. Learned under him and continues on his traditions which is to play prevent offense. So if the problem isn't Flacco (and it's too early to really tell) then it has to be Cam. Not the receivers not the O line, you can make up for those things if you can surprise the D. Shoot an onside kick almost never works when they're expecting it but look at Sean Payton in the Superbowl vs. against the Seahawks when they had to get the ball back.

Everyday I've posted about Cam and it won't change one fact. WE WILL GO NO FURTHER THAN THE DIVISIONAL ROUND IF WE DON'T GET RID OF HIM. The Steelers aren't coming off the schedule Harbs, time to stop playing just to be there and grow a pair and get rid of this cancer.

[ravenwildman]

Of course Flacco will. Three years, facing the Steelers, Patriots, and Colts on a regular basis? He is doing just fine. This year he will rock!

GO RAVENS!

[GoingUpTop]

wow that was a little long so here's the cliff note version of my last comment....


CAM GET OFF MY TEAM!

[HardKnocks]

The biggest key to the failure of the season (even though a winning season) was writing all over the receivers face.

[Coltrane]

What is wrong with "Fans" in Baltimore. Its so sad that you spent so many years without a good QB when you finally get one you are ready to throw him under the bus. Joe Flacco is by FAR the best QB Baltimore has ever had period. A QB in his first 3 years has had this team in the hunt year in and year out. Fans spend so much time comparing him to all these other young qbs that haven't accomplished half of what Flacco has. You are ready to blame him for every mistake but are quick to hold your tongue when he does something right. He can't be held to blame for the loss in Pittsburgh. How about we blame the Oline, Matt Birk for the fumble and getting no push up front. How about Ray Rice for fumbling the ball, How about Boldin for dropping the TD or Housh for pulling a Mark Clayton when Joe delivered a strike.

Does he make mistakes yes he is a 3rd year QB they all make mistakes. You say he can't deliver when the weight is on his shoulders well he didn't give a TD to Atlanta with the game on the line. He drove the field twice to give the ravens the lead. He didn't let houston March up the field on two 90 yrd drives to tie the game. He didn't give up 4 TD passes to Ryan Fitzpatrick. He didn't give up a 58 yard pass on 3rd and F@$cking 19 to the Steelers. He Didn't let the pats Drive down the Field in OT to win. The Ravens lost 4 games this year and the only game that was totally his fault was the Cincy Game.

Ravens "FANS" stop crying about the QB you can't win the SB every year but at least this kid has gotten you in the hunt. He is the real deal and the sky is the limit for him. And if he is so bad there are 31 other teams that are dying for new fans.

[berad]

[quote name='HardKnocks' timestamp='1295466400' post='617652']
The biggest key to the failure of the season (even though a winning season) was writing all over the receivers face.
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I thought it was the ball bouncing off his hands on fourth down?

[HardKnocks]

Should that drop had counted, shouldn't we have been 21-7 or 21-14 or 16-0 undefeated. All the receivers are proven who isn't just yet. Flacco will be better but face it, he made more mistakes than anyone on the team. Learning curve is like a learning valley.

[OrganizedChaos2052]

Says A LOT about this organization that Joe Flacco is the best QB we've ever had...

[Coltrane]

And just a nugget of knowledge. You compare Joe to Ryan
Joe has more wins, more yards, same amount of int 6 less Tds, More Playoff wins better completetion and qb rating but everyone thinks that Ryan is the real deal and Joe isn't

[BlackbirdFlock Gang]

I Like joe cool i think everyone forgets he came from d1-AA where the game is a lot slower then where he is now i think we should be happy with his overall development but i think that the joe cool thing needs to take a rest because now i believe he needs to be joey flame and take over his offense and have more command over his troops. PUT HIM IN THE GUN GIVE Em A WRIST BAND AND LETS SEE HIM MANAGE A GAME BASED ON WHAT HE SEES the guy is 6'6 and towers everything I dont like cam just like the next fan but if we are going to retain him then he needs to give more of the leadership reign over to flacco and let him go.