[Blogs] Late for Work 1/19: Players Excited About Pagano Hire

[HardKnocks]

Man Bulger would have won the superbowl under Cam. If you dont know that you dont know football. Talking bad about Cam because he gave out the death penalty without an executionor. Had every team strapped to the table with no one to hit the switch.

[Raven Rod]

you have gotta hand it to our "D" they had a good year, out played the offense!!! but when you force them to play the majority of the 2nd half in games they are going to tire out! case in point steelers 3rd and 19 secondary to tired to keep up with receivers, that's why that guy is open, our "D" is pooped! offense needs to eat more clock in the 2nd half!!! and Joe throw the ball away! don't run out of bounds!!!

[rayvnmania]

Flacco could bloom if he had another OC. He hit Boldin and Houzh in the hands with the ball as well as he did last year with Clayton during critical downs in the game. They couldn't handle the pressure. He passed to Houzh for a TD the first time the Ravens played the Steelers to win on a busted play. I think Joe needs to add about 20-30 lbs of muscle so he can take off down field or shed some tacklers. No doubt he holds the ball too long, runs out of bounds instead of dumping the pass, throws into double coverage and doesn't always have good football instincts but he came out of a small program in Delaware. It still might be a year or two before the kinks are worked out. But I think we can all agree there are times whem he looks great and with a new OC maybe they'll design plays that work with his strenghts as well as his receivers.

[HardKnocks]

We not saying Flacco is a good for nothing, he's good but he's no probowler.

[Purple&Black]

%u201CHe believes in his guys,%u201D Washington told Ravens Insider Aaron Wilson. %u201CThere%u2019s probably going to be a lot more blitzing. He%u2019s an aggressive guy.%u201D

i like to see that. the article also makes a good point about the labor disbute...with a new offense we wld most likely struggle alot early on bc we wldnt have time to install everything. if cam stays on he better get his act together we have all these weapons but dont use them correctly. when stallworth came in it was bomb or end around...you have to use a wrs speed wit slants and screens to open up deep and then boldin is a wr that opporates in the middle of the field but from the games i watched we rarely did that

[RayVN5227]

They should have put Bulger in the game. Clearly Flacco was getting flustered out there and began to press. Let Bulger regain control of the game, let Flacco calm down and once everything was under control, consider putting him back in. The fact that Bulger didn't get at least some playtime during the season, is odd. Why not use the guy. How many of us would love the opportunity to get 3.8 million a year for standing around? where do I sign up.

[joecool1]

They need to throw Joe to the wolves and stop covering his a#$. It seems they just play him to his Strengths instead of opening up the playbook to him. They need to see if he sinks or swim without the strings. I think for Joe, all he needs to do is speed his game up. When he drops back I dont no if the routs are slow developing or His reads are slow. Either or it has to change. Give him some time, its only his 3rd year and he's done nothing but improve every year, but its to bad he plays for a veteran team with time running out on some guys. Those guys dont have time for developing Qb's

[PuRock]

[quote name='joecool1' timestamp='1295454020' post='617305']
They need to throw Joe to the wolves and stop covering his a#$. [b]It seems they just play him to his Strengths instead of opening up the playbook to him.[/b] They need to see if he sinks or swim without the strings. I think for Joe, all he needs to do is speed his game up. When he drops back I dont no if the routs are slow developing or His reads are slow. Either or it has to change. Give him some time, its only his 3rd year and he's done nothing but improve every year, but its to bad he plays for a veteran team with time running out on some guys. Those guys dont have time for developing Qb's
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They don't even play to Joe's strengths. Throw in a weak O-Line and it's a train wreck. But its still too early to turn on Joe and throw him to the wolves. You have to bolster confidence in a young QB. Aaron Rodgers was still holding a clip board at this stage in his career.

[anonymousravenfan85]

why is that everyone jumps on the bulger band wagon why cause he played against back ups in the preseason and did good. John Beck looked amazing in the preseason to last year wheres he at? No where its preseason. What did bulger do for the rams he had one great season the rest decent yes hes a pro bowler so what. Joe flacco has led us to the playoffs three consecutive years in a row whens the last time bulger went to the playoffs? Im still with flacco, the guy has improved every year and if you havent seen that your blind.

[anonymousravenfan85]

[quote name='RayVN5227' timestamp='1295453714' post='617300']
They should have put Bulger in the game. Clearly Flacco was getting flustered out there and began to press. Let Bulger regain control of the game, let Flacco calm down and once everything was under control, consider putting him back in. The fact that Bulger didn't get at least some playtime during the season, is odd. Why not use the guy. How many of us would love the opportunity to get 3.8 million a year for standing around? where do I sign up.
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But why? flacco won 12 games this year am i right? threw 3600 yeards 25 td 10 int. why bench a great qb for a qb that got cut by is old team because he couldnt get the job done. I dont understand why its off with flaccco's head after one game yes flacco had one pick but nobody is yelling at rice for fumbling or birk for fumbling both in the redzone. Flacco didnt look like tom brady out there but its the steelers hes not going to be throwing 400 yards 3td against them there always hard faught games why jump the gun saying flacco is crap. Because we throw bulger in and he loses the game were saying why the hell we bench flacco for bulger stupidest mistaake ever. Im just saying hes the 2nd qb to get to the playoffsw three times in a row and win atleast one game . Look at facts and stats before you make asssumptions after one game.

[jravens727]

I love that Chuck Pagano is our defensive coordinator. You will see a more aggressive defense and not that 3 man rushing defense. If you are going to rush 3 then all receivers should be doubled. I don't believe Cam was the problem. Flacco has to play better. Please MR. Bisciotti! DO NOT INTERFERE IN THE FOOTBALL OPERATIONS! You are the best owner in football. Do not become Al Davis or even worse. DAN SNIDER!!!! Continue to do what you have been doing and that is to give your input and be the great Owner that we love and respect.

[Boh]

You mean to tell me that Pagano was the one calling the Prevent D w/ a 3 man rush on 3rd and long all year....and now he's our DC....I'm no longer happy about this coaching change. I see more of the same mistakes in our future, but i'll keep my fingers crossed.

[Ravenous5286]

the definition of insanity is repeating the same action expecting different results.. we need a fresh face on the defensive and offensive side....someone needs to gently nudge cam cameron.

[KillaBirdTJ]

As for the second half...

When your in Pittsburgh playing for the right to advance to the AFC Championship game and you are up 14 points going into the second half you keep the DAMN PEDAL TO THE FLOOR!!! WHY would you taken your foot off their neck for even a second? That is what gave them momentum and our guys lost that "edge" we came up there with...

Football is as much mental and psycological as it is anything else. Why is it Cam cant see this? He has done this to us in basically EVERY game against top notch competition this year!!!! We would of beat the following teams;

-Patriots
-Falcons
-Steelers

PLEASE GET CAM THE <heck> OUT OF BALTIMORE! Harbs if keeping you around means keeping Cam then you can go too!!!!!!!!!!! Im sick of seeing my beloved Ravens get out coached! We have wayyyy more talent than ALL of those teams that beat us!

[Patricia_NC]

Biscotti made a huge mistake letting Rex go and making Harbaugh our head coach. He is not the right fit for this team or for this town. I don't care how many times he stands in front of the podium and tells all of us how "this is a great fan base, great town, blah, blah,....." you can put a suit on a goat....but it's still a goat!

Cameron is a terrible offensive coordinator! You don't make the talent fit your scheme....you make your scheme fit the talent. Period. If Cameron won't do it (because of his arrogance) and Harbaugh won't see it (because of his misplaced loyalty)...guess what Steve....the fans will get disgusted (as they are right now) and that's gonna start to hit YOU in the wallet.

Do you really think I'm gonna run out and buy Ravens gear and wear it like a BULLSEYE so that the multitude of Steeler fans can abuse me for YET ANOTHER YEAR? Doubt it. Don't have another year of it in me. Sorry. Fix it fast Mr. Biscotti or I won't be the only one to keep my dollars in my pocket.

And just a side note: Zorn is done! Joe Flacco has already surpassed that losers capabilities during his best years and has nothing more to offer this quarterback. Get somebody who can make him a 21st century quarterback.

[RayVN5227]

anonymousravenfan85
Per yours:
But why? flacco won 12 games this year am i right? threw 3600 yeards 25 td 10 int. why bench a great qb for a qb that got cut by is old team because he couldnt get the job done. I dont understand why its off with flaccco's head after one game yes flacco had one pick but nobody is yelling at rice for fumbling or birk for fumbling both in the redzone. Flacco didnt look like tom brady out there but its the steelers hes not going to be throwing 400 yards 3td against them there always hard faught games why jump the gun saying flacco is crap. Because we throw bulger in and he loses the game were saying why the hell we bench flacco for bulger stupidest mistaake ever. Im just saying hes the 2nd qb to get to the playoffsw three times in a row and win atleast one game . Look at facts and stats before you make asssumptions after one game.
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1-IF you ACTUALLY READ the post it says FLACCO WAS GETTING FLUSTERED. It DOES NOT say he is not a good QB. Flacco, in his mind, maybe not after the Rice fumble, but maybe, just maybe after his INT thought "oh no here we go again" because it seems that against the Steelers he has had some difficult moments.
2- re-read the post and tell me where I say Flacco is crap.
3- to put Bulger in, a veteran, was stated as saying TO ALLOW FLACCO TO REGAIN HIS COMPOSURE. My post CLEARLY states that. IT ALSO STATES THAT ONCE THINGS CALM DOWN TO CONSIDER PUTTING HIM BACK IN.
4- We all know Flacco has progressed, I have said that in prior posts, maybe if you took time to read that, you may not have jumped the gun.
5- Maybe before you start spouting off and trying to belittle people, you should fully learn to comprehend what people are saying.

[ravenusrick]

we need to let joe sink or swim with the offence yes we had a good season but how much better it could have if joe was cut loose to open up the offence,you can't give the kid new toys and then tell him he can't play with them.

[Patricia_NC]

[quote name='masonz85' timestamp='1295449596' post='617213']
Yeah fire the offensive coordinator who was able to produce 24 points against the the number one defense! Ravens fans are honestly a joke, if we won on on Saturday no one would be calling for Cam. Cam didn't let us down, the defense and inability for the receivers to execute at key moments in the game let us down.
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I see that you're new on here. If you weren't, you would know that we have been screaming for Cameron's head for most of the season.

[ravens626]

@Rayvnn227

I youre saying. I think putting bulger in week 2 or 3 vs bengals when flacco threww 4 ints would have been a good scenario.

[DeathZero]

If one more person tells me that Marc Bulger is better than Joe Flacco then I'm finding a new team...because our fans are <[i]not smart[/i]>. Really? Marc Bulger? The garbage QB who has had like, 2 good years in total? Oh yea, he's from Pittsburgh too, stupid people. Joe Flacco was not the problem at all, he had a QB rating of like 93 this year.

How is it Joe Flacco's fault that the Offensive Line completely sucks, and we couldn't run the ball worth anything? Stop trying to copy that moron reporter from the Baltimore Sun and think for yourselves for once. Ready? I'm about to list problems for you all. This is how smart people analyze things.

- Horrible Offensive Line (Especially Oher)
- Bad O-Line equals bad run game (Poor Ray Rice)
- Bad run game equals stress for the QB (Joe Flacco, constant pressure)
- Joe Flacco still did awesome this year (Best year yet, 93.6 QB rating)

It's not always the QB's fault stupid people, blame the horrible Offensive Line and supposedly awesome receivers who love to drop perfectly thrown balls at inopportune times. Ah yes, and Cam Cameron's play calling was garbage. Stop blaming Flacco, watch the games.

Oh yea I forgot. He led us to the playoffs every year he played here, remember? I'm embarrassed to call myself a Baltimore fan right now...I didn't know we had so many stupid fans. This isn't Philadelphia.

[anonymousravenfan85]

[quote name='RayVN5227' timestamp='1295455974' post='617355']
anonymousravenfan85
Per yours:
But why? flacco won 12 games this year am i right? threw 3600 yeards 25 td 10 int. why bench a great qb for a qb that got cut by is old team because he couldnt get the job done. I dont understand why its off with flaccco's head after one game yes flacco had one pick but nobody is yelling at rice for fumbling or birk for fumbling both in the redzone. Flacco didnt look like tom brady out there but its the steelers hes not going to be throwing 400 yards 3td against them there always hard faught games why jump the gun saying flacco is crap. Because we throw bulger in and he loses the game were saying why the hell we bench flacco for bulger stupidest mistaake ever. Im just saying hes the 2nd qb to get to the playoffsw three times in a row and win atleast one game . Look at facts and stats before you make asssumptions after one game.
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1-IF you ACTUALLY READ the post it says FLACCO WAS GETTING FLUSTERED. It DOES NOT say he is not a good QB. Flacco, in his mind, maybe not after the Rice fumble, but maybe, just maybe after his INT thought "oh no here we go again" because it seems that against the Steelers he has had some difficult moments.
2- re-read the post and tell me where I say Flacco is crap.
3- to put Bulger in, a veteran, was stated as saying TO ALLOW FLACCO TO REGAIN HIS COMPOSURE. My post CLEARLY states that. IT ALSO STATES THAT ONCE THINGS CALM DOWN TO CONSIDER PUTTING HIM BACK IN.
4- We all know Flacco has progressed, I have said that in prior posts, maybe if you took time to read that, you may not have jumped the gun.
5- Maybe before you start spouting off and trying to belittle people, you should fully learn to comprehend what people are saying.
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Im just saying why would you place bulger in game when he hasnt played a snap since preseason. Flacco was our best chance to win that game and like everyone else im not disagreeing with the fact he came up short but placing bulger in what does that do for us he will be rusty and it will just waiste more time off the clock for us to actually do something. But who knows bulger could have came up big its the past now. But everyboy gets flustered its the playoffs go big or go home matty ice got flustered to flacco is a work in progress he hasnt had anyone to learn off into now off bulger and thats what bulger was brought into do not to take his role away unless people are right and flacco becomes a bust but as i see it now flacco has done wonders for baltimore wouldnt take him out in game situation the nfl is a learning proccess and this was a great lesson leaned for flacco and he will evolve from it you learn from your mistakes.

[RayVN5227]

ravens626

Are you asking me that? About the Bengal game? if so, yes. That is why teams have a back up QB who is usually (in most instances at least) a quality veteran. This permits the starter to not only regain his confidence and/or composure, but it is a learning experience for him, to see how the veteran handles that situation. Let's go way back in the time machine, the AFC Playoffs, Houston V Buffalo. Frank Reich comes in and boom, the Bills get on a roll and win the game.

[josie749]

I don't think Pagano was responsible for the 3rd downs and rushing only 3. the defense should have been rushing in the second half just like they did in the first and the fumbles and interception would not have mattered because Ben would not have had time to stand back there and wait for his receivers to get open.

[RayVN5227]

annonymousravenfan
I know what you are saying and what I am saying is why didn't Bulger get some play time during the season? Then you would not have had a "rusty" QB. I am a big Flacco fan. It does, however seem that the Steelers get into his head easily. I thought that he overcame the jinx with the come from behind win in Pittsburgh in week 4. Yes, he is a work in progress and let's agree that the offensive line does little to help him out. Let's also agree that Cameron should give him the ability to audible, to see when teams throw 7-8 in the box, to be able to go from under center to a shot gun scenario and thus give him more time to find the open receiver. I also posted the infamous Houston Buffalo scenario when Frank Reich came in and turned things around and lead the Bills to a victory. Just saying, you never know what can happen if you don't try.

[purplebird5]

Please Steve please, FIRE CAM CAMERSON!

[stixfix69]

IMO...Pagano is the right move, our D is a pass rusher opposite Suggs away from being potent, and the Webb/Wilson combo will be better next year, having had a year to play together, so a DC outside the organization could have done more harm than good, if he brought a new system in....... Other than the OL, our team just needs tweaked, we don't need to rebuild, or tear down anything, other than the OL......

[bleedbaltimoreravens]

First of all the article said that " Pagano was responsible for calling the Ravens%u2019 third-down plays" if that's the case the three man rush was more of Pagano's fault than Mattison's. So we may have to get ready for the same type of coverage as last year. I hope not.

Secondly, if Biscotti is not hearing that the fans want Cam out, he's deaf! We want Cam out period. You hear that Ozzie and Steve????

Thirdly, Eisenberg is echoing the fans, I like it!

[josie749]

RayVN5227 you are crazy right? You don't take out your starter and replace him like that. Joe doesn't need more confidence he just needs and OC who can actually draw up a game plan, and make changes during the game when they are needed, to win games not manage them. Flacco is just as talented as the top (or as some idiots in the press on radio call them) elite QBs. Let this guy loose and let him play then you can make all the assessments of Joe you want and if the criticism is warranted then so be it; but until that time you cannot blame him for the failures of the past 3 years.

[PurplePeopleEater74]

Wow, really? All these negatives about Joe. Has everyone forgotten where he has led us the past three years. Have you forgotten what type of qbs we have had in the past. Do you even look at stats?
No, I am not saying Joe doesn't have his faults. But come on. Take into account we ranked 9th in allowed sacks...hence o-line/play callin not up to snuff. Our rushing attack wasn't nearly as effective as previous years...o-line/play callin. Next you will be telling me it was Joe fault that he had the stripped ball in the second steelers game. Had nothing to do with the o-line or play call? True maybe he should have seen Troy lined up and said " uh oh, I'd better audible"
But what it comes down to is you are only as good as the tools you are given to work with. And if you don't have a good o-line to keep the pressure off, your a sitting duck.
To call for his benching and throwing Bulger in there is absurd. If he was that darn good, maybe he would be a starting qb rather than a back up. Remember he wasn't cut from the Rams for nothing.

[Bleed 52 Purple]

Patricia_NC.. Harbaugh not fit for us? I don't understand what you're talking about. But Coach Harbaugh is definitely the best Coach for us. The City loves him too, maybe you didn't know that.