Cam Or Can

[Bigbell]

THE O-Line needs to be addressed. We need one speedy wide receiver......we need Joe to seriously step up......and we need an OC( Josh Mcdaniels)

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1295140387' post='606786']
Wasnt Cams fault today, Cam actually called a pretty good game, the Oline crapped itself to epic proportions in the 2nd half like none other. Cam was pretty brutal during the middle/end of the season, but today was not on him. Boldin dropped a TD pass that hits him in the chest, Flacco overthrows a wide open Heap on the last drive, how about Webb on 3rd AND ********* 20!!!!
[/quote]

Agreed, I don't know how a Boldin drop in the end zone, Housh drop on 4th and very long, an interception, fumbled snap and Rice fumble is Camerons fault. Cam had a great game and we literally had them on the ropes when it was 21-7, the Ravens pulled a 2009 and shot themselves in the foot.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Cody_the_Barbarian' timestamp='1295140948' post='606879']
Are you serious? This was Cam's fault? Gimme a break!
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Did you watch last week? Did you see how we used Boldin and heap the way they should be? Can you say we did that this week? Boldin...5 targets? C'mon yourself.

[tctony]

Cam's second half play calling was very, very bad. The last drive, we did not need to go down field immediately...we had 1:39 on the clock, come on guys.

The TE screen would've been so open at so many times during this game, but we only called it once.

This loss isn't on Cam exclusively, but he needs to go.

[Ball-Hawk20]

whoever thinks cam cameron deserves to stay is an idiot. im sorry, but who the hell calls a draw play on 2nd and 17? ESPECIALLY on the number one run defense in the league. absolutely pathetic. no crossing routes, no deep shots, terrible. fire him, fire every offensive coach, the whole offensive gameplan was garbage. end of story

[PlayLikeAFan]

[quote name='Bigbell' timestamp='1295141138' post='606904']
THE O-Line needs to be addressed. We need one speedy wide receiver......we need Joe to seriously step up......and we need an OC( Josh Mcdaniels)
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That speedy wide receiver was Stallworth that wasn't even used this game and was really only ever used was on reverses this season, again because of Cam Cameron.

[dpatrickguy]

[quote name='Bigbell' timestamp='1295141138' post='606904']
THE O-Line needs to be addressed. We need one speedy wide receiver......we need Joe to seriously step up......and we need an OC( Josh Mcdaniels)
[/quote]
We have a speedy receiver and Cam refuses to use him for god knows what reason...

I wont place all of the blame on any one person for that loss but Cam needs to go.

[Ravenfan545]

Can't blame it on Cam too much this time. I'm dissapointed in Webb (how stupid can you be to let a guy get behind you giving him a 20yd. cushion) Bouldin, and Housh. Joe put the ball on the money and they didn't catch it. Now, thanks to them we have to hear another year of how great the Sqeelers are.

[BlackSunday]

This loss was less on Cam Cameron, but more on the lack of execution from our players.

Cameron didn't mess up a snap, fumble the ball, drop catchable balls, or overthrow Todd Heap.

[kmj83]

[quote name='BmoreLuv' timestamp='1295139765' post='606724']
Not acceptable Cam!!!!!!!! We need a change on O.......I love all Ravens fans.....Peace
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we need new OC and DC or we will never beat pitt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[baadbobby]

Lots of BAD plays and calls on BOTH sides today. The Ravens won the first half, the Steelers won the second half, by a little more. The Steelers get the W, and my playoff beard is already gone. To get on topic, while I do not particularly care for Cam, this one was not his fault. Should he go? If it's going to happen, now would be the time, not Aug, Sept, or 2012. Mattison should take some heat for that silly *** 3 man rush on what was it, 3rd and 19? You know the s.o.b. has to take time to drop back and get somebody open, why in the hell do you give it to him? Suggs could have dropped him for a loss on that damn play; he hurried him and hit him all day long. Oh well, neither here nor there.

[kmj83]

we need new OC and DC or we will never beat pitt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we need a strong arm at qb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RAVEN63]

Who is out their better?
2nd half was bad real bad.
Our offense lost the game!

[RoflDogs]

I've saved this for a moment like this

He's sucked consistently in large stretches of time this year particularly the second half.

I don't give a crap if the players lost the game today, and he wasn't responsible for the players mistake

I just don't want to see his stupid face anymore unless its for the other team.

EVEN TRENT DILFER said that the system sucks. [url="http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/12/15/trent-dilfer-live-on-norris-davis-show/"]http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/1...is-davis-show/[/url]
Starting at the 10 minute mark


He has the most predictable plays, and he just doesn't utilize his players as best as he could (Let Boldin, TJ, and Mason run 100000 streaks when they both don't have speed for that)

The constant checkdowns annoyed the crap out of him too.

And I don't think he's ever going to change. The Chargers fans have said the SAME EXACT THING that I've been saying. Cam has NEVER had playoff success excluding the Chiefs game. The offense always blew in the playoffs

[url="http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=44462"]http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=44462[/url]

Plus the players have NO RESPECT FOR HIM
With his tenure with the Chargers, LT and Hardwick complained that their system sucked

With the Ravens, Flacco always seems to not like Cam Cameron (body gestures and such). McClain complained about him. Mason complained. TJ complained (although that's a given). Suggs complained.

No good coach in the history of the league has respect issue with his players. Cam Cameron has always been disrespected by his players.


Like I've said before. If Cam Cameron isn't gone, then the Ravens will never amount to anything important










Posted this in another forum. Blocked out the profanities, and this just gives you concrete proof why Cam shouldn't be back

[ravens world]

well lets get this straight its not just cams fault it was a team loss because more than 3 players are the blame for it i mean
1. the boldin drop
2. the pick
3. the hous drop
4. the holding during the web return
5. the messed up snap
6. some of cams calling but not all of them
7. most of dc calling
8 and the play on 3rd and 19 this was the most unbelievable play in the game

its 3rd and 20 tie game, 3 minutes left and you have wat 3 blitzing and 8 playing back and you give up a 40 yard bomb this one was inexcusable !
See it was alot of peoples fault not just cams.

[Romo Ravens]

It's time. It's time to put Oher back where he belongs. He sucks as the LT. We need to sign Gaither to a long term deal and get a DB that actually knows how to cover. It's time to let Housh go. Mattison should stay but Cam definitely needs to be fired. We need youth at Center. We need youth at WR. We need a lot.

It hurts to keep losing to the same team over and over and over again. I'm tired of being "almost" there. Flacco looked bad today when it was on him to win it. Oh and I'm usually not like this, but the Steelers were given a lot of questionable calls. Even my friends who hate the Ravens say they were paid. Whatever, on to 2011-2012. I just hope Ray and Ed amongst other Vet's don't call it quits because our OC is a straight up idiot. Go Patriots, then Packers.

[saved72907]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1295140254' post='606771']
Is it Cam faught TJ doesn't catch a pass?
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Yes, but the Ravens should have NEVER been in that situation. Cam refuses to try and assert a run game, and almost all the run plays that he did call were draw plays which makes the RB start from a mile back of the scrimmage line. That 3rd quarter was just sickening. It's like he's in a race to see how fast he can get the steelers the ball back. Oh, and play action doesn't fool anybody when you don't try to get the running game started.

[saved72907]

[quote name='ravens world' timestamp='1295142044' post='607041']
well lets get this straight its not just cams fault it was a team loss because more than 3 players are the blame for it i mean
1. the boldin drop
2. the pick
3. the hous drop
4. the holding during the web return
5. the messed up snap
6. some of cams calling but not all of them
7. most of dc calling
8 and the play on 3rd and 19 this was the most unbelievable play in the game

its 3rd and 20 tie game, 3 minutes left and you have wat 3 blitzing and 8 playing back and you give up a 40 yard bomb this one was inexcusable !
See it was alot of peoples fault not just cams.
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But you don't understand... Cams refusal to run the dang ball with a 14 point lead is the reason any of those above plays even were a factor. And I mean run something besides a shotgun draw.

[Vlf]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1295140317' post='606774']
I agree he needs to go, he's pulled the same crap all year.
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thank you finally someone else can see what happens in the 2nd half of every
game cam gets conservative and joe looks like he has a head injury!!!!!!!

[Vlf]

the defense cant win it for them all the time and joe getting all cocky this week saying "I think im a good player"
well prove it stand on the sidelines looking at playbooks not in space

[RoflDogs]

The route combinations that Cam runs is furstrating annoying

"Hey! Lets send 2 slow receivers on streak patterns the whole day!! With maybe a few comebacks for Mason!"

and that triple post play that needs to go (2 posts on the left and one on the right) I've never seen it work anywhere

[saved72907]

[quote name='Vlf' timestamp='1295142301' post='607077']
thank you finally someone else can see what happens in the 2nd half of every
game cam gets conservative and joe looks like he has a head injury!!!!!!!
[/quote]
I honestly think Flacco is mentally slow. Why in the world did he not throw the ball away on the 3rd and 11 play after he escaped the sack and then ran out of bounds to lose another 8 yards?

[bdravens]

I'm curious as to why we didn't run crossing routes like we did last week. Pittsburgh generally blitzed at least 1 on every play, so why not put it over the middle. We threw it at least once to Heap, and we gained about 20 yards, but that's all I saw of it.

[ravens world]

[quote name='saved72907' timestamp='1295142265' post='607067']
But you don't understand... Cams refusal to run the dang ball with a 14 point lead is the reason any of those above plays even were a factor. And I mean run something besides a shotgun draw.
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I said it was some of cams fault but why run alot if there shuting the run down they where really shuting the pass and run down what the oc needed to call was a run then a hb throw back . OR atleast some trick play . See it wasnt that he didnt call enuff runs (which weren't working any way} it was he was to predictable he need to throw some different and trick plays in . This is my thought any way .

[dpatrickguy]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1295142561' post='607118']
I'm curious as to why we didn't run crossing routes like we did last week. Pittsburgh generally blitzed at least 1 on every play, so why not put it over the middle. We threw it at least once to Heap, and we gained about 20 yards, but that's all I saw of it.
[/quote]
That would make far too much sense. You know Cam hates that stuff.

[doubtful]

Nothing wrong with Cameron. He does sometimes become too conservative but that may not always be his choice. When he finally got full control at San Diego they had an extremely explosive offense. No Cam is NOT the problem. The guy they should fire is Mattison who consistently thinks rushing 3 players on third and long will work. Well, GREG it very seldom works and I don't know how many more times you have to lose games to learn that. If the Ravens are smart they'll get rid of Mattison, keep Cameron and hire Wade Philips (as defensive co-ordinator) and they'll have the same group that the Chargers had when they should have won the Superbowl.

[RavensReign]

Housh & Cameron better be packing their bags or I'm not buying the Direct TV package.

[funky141]

[quote name='saved72907' timestamp='1295142095' post='607047']
Yes, but the Ravens should have NEVER been in that situation. Cam refuses to try and assert a run game, and almost all the run plays that he did call were draw plays which makes the RB start from a mile back of the scrimmage line. That 3rd quarter was just sickening. It's like he's in a race to see how fast he can get the steelers the ball back. Oh, and play action doesn't fool anybody when you don't try to get the running game started.
[/quote]
Your not going to run the ball against the #1 ranked run defense, short screens dump pass and catches by TJ and Boldin would have won the game...

These two off season signings choked...Cam did nothing wrong...

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='Bigbell' timestamp='1295141138' post='606904']
THE O-Line needs to be addressed. We need [b]one speedy wide receiver[/b]......we need Joe to seriously step up......and we need an OC( Josh Mcdaniels)
[/quote]
They have one...that didnt see one snap.
The Pats showed the 3wr-4wr formula to crush Pitt, yet the genius consistantly comes up with 2 receivers I-formation play calls

[jusraven]

Cam is done! The Chemistry just isn't there. The D kept the Ravens in the game.