Joe Flacco's (kind Of) Epic Mega Statistical Breakdown

[63bru]

Does anyone have the stats on how many of the sacks came out of the shotgun versus under center? I have a hunch that would be the most telling stat of all.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='63bru' timestamp='1295459006' post='617417']
Does anyone have the stats on how many of the sacks came out of the shotgun versus under center? I have a hunch that would be the most telling stat of all.
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I don't know but if you really want to know, NFL.com has video of every sack from every game in the "fantasy highlights" section of their Game Center.

[AsianRice]

very surprising statistic and good info also...

[-Truth-]

[quote name='bmore_07' timestamp='1295451399' post='617250']
Another disastrous Flacco performance to end the season.
When will management wake up and realize Flacco is mediocre at best?
Mike Preston had it right when he gave Flacco a D+.
Let's bring in some compeition during training camp and actually make Flacco EARN his position. We have too many great players on the team to continue to let Flacco hold us back. There is a reason he played for Delaware folks!
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Oh, no! The Great Mike Preston gave Joe Flacco a D+? His opinion is so invaluable that this should be written in stone. Lord knows Preston's never been known for raising eyebrows with his illogical suggestions. I also wanted to thank you for raising my standards. I was under the impression that 26 TDs and only 10 INTs were actually above average. You got me. I'll go to the Chargers board and inform them that they should draft a QB in order to compete with Phillip Rivers' after his average output of 30 TDs and 13 INTs.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='bmore_07' timestamp='1295451399' post='617250']
Another disastrous Flacco performance to end the season.
When will management wake up and realize Flacco is mediocre at best?
Mike Preston had it right when he gave Flacco a D+.
Let's bring in some compeition during training camp and actually make Flacco EARN his position. We have too many great players on the team to continue to let Flacco hold us back. There is a reason he played for Delaware folks!
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Well, there's some bad news and some good news.

Bad news for you, Flacco isn't going anywhere. They are not going to hold an open competition for the starting QB job when our starting QB has set franchise records and was just one game short of being the most successful road QB in playoff history. Nor should they. Mike Preston likes to listen to himself talk. He actually is not that knowledgeable, he only acts like he is.

Good news for us. The Redskins, I'm certain, will be happy to have you. Odds are their fanbase is probably on the decline lately. More good news for you, they have no idea who they want to play QB over there so you might have a new guy every week!

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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1295470475' post='617829']
Well, there's some bad news and some good news.

Bad news for you, Flacco isn't going anywhere. They are not going to hold an open competition for the starting QB job when our starting QB has set franchise records and was just one game short of being the most successful road QB in playoff history. Nor should they. Mike Preston likes to listen to himself talk. He actually is not that knowledgeable, he only acts like he is.

Good news for us. The Redskins, I'm certain, will be happy to have you. Odds are their fanbase is probably on the decline lately. More good news for you, they have no idea who they want to play QB over there so you might have a new guy every week!
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It's pretty humorous, to me at least, when an individual fan threaten to change sides as if it will either impact the team's decision making process or impact the team's performance.

[PuRock]

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It's pretty humorous, to me at least, when an individual fan threaten to change sides as if it will either impact the team's decision making process or impact the team's performance.
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Yep. Good riddance I say. While those people leave, others team's fans that don't know what winning is like, join our fanbase.

You don't threaten to leave the fanbase if you bleed black and purple.

[Jen13]

I think Flacco is a great QB! He has improved each year and i think he will continue to improve every year.

I have seen a few people say that they won't continue to be fans if Flacco or Cam stays. Well don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, because we don't need "fans" like that anyway. We need true fans that are going to stick with their team no matter what!

[luckylefty]

flacco is a great qb you guys are way too hard him

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1295471100' post='617846']
It's pretty humorous, to me at least, when an individual fan threaten to change sides as if it will either impact the team's decision making process or impact the team's performance.
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Or more importantly to me, they post it all over here as if the rest of us care who they want to root for.

[XxSizzleXx]

You do realize that this is because of the system we run. This only furthermore proves the point of why Cam should stay. Cam calls plays for specific players in specific situations at times ( he tries to get Rice around 5 touches a game where he does not take any contact, he did the same thing in SD for LT as well ).

The main reason Flacco checks down so often is because he does not read the field quickly, he will usually stare down his first read for a few seconds and if he doesn't break open he dumps it off to Rice. I have seen numerous times this season(including playoffs) where Flacco will stare down his first target too long while he will have someone else open, but he doesn't read it quickly enough so he's under pressure. He will get better at reading his keys and will start making quicker decisions as he gets more experience.

One thing it does look like the Ravens should do next season is put him in the Gun more often on 2nd down because he excels in the Gun as oppose to under center, again this has to do with his reads and it allows him more time to see the field.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1295475223' post='617962']
You do realize that this is because of the system we run. This only furthermore proves the point of why Cam should stay. Cam calls plays for specific players in specific situations at times ( he tries to get Rice around 5 touches a game where he does not take any contact, he did the same thing in SD for LT as well ).

The main reason Flacco checks down so often is because he does not read the field quickly, he will usually stare down his first read for a few seconds and if he doesn't break open he dumps it off to Rice. I have seen numerous times this season(including playoffs) where Flacco will stare down his first target too long while he will have someone else open, but he doesn't read it quickly enough so he's under pressure. He will get better at reading his keys and will start making quicker decisions as he gets more experience.

One thing it does look like the Ravens should do next season is put him in the Gun more often on 2nd down because he excels in the Gun as oppose to under center, again this has to do with his reads and it allows him more time to see the field.
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I'm trying to see what part of that statistical data means Cam should stay. It clearly showed that Joe WAS NOT the check down King as so many believed so your entire theory on the check downs does not fit. Though it is obvious that sometimes he does not go through his reads, the O line has not really afforded him much time to do that either.

So, as we fans have been saying all season, it proves Joe is better from the shotgun. If we as fans have been pointing this out since around Week 2, don't you think the OC, if he had any inkling or clue at all, should know this as well?

I wouldn't use anything Cam did in San Diego to try to prove he should stay either. Every QB Cam has ever had anything to do with has improved dramatically. Only problem is, it is AFTER Cam is no longer involved with them.

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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1295476911' post='618000']
Every QB Cam has ever had anything to do with has improved dramatically. Only problem is, it is AFTER Cam is no longer involved with them.
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People have brought this up point but I really feel it's flawed thinking. Of course Brees and Rivers improved dramatically as players after Cam left. Both were talented from the beginning, showed growth during Cam's time and continued to grow after he left. What's to say both wouldn't have improved just as much under Cam?

Steve Young grew under Bill Wash but didn't stop after he retired. I think Joe still has room to grow under Cam and as controlling as Cam is, I don't think it will prevent Joe from leading this team to a Super Bowl.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295477232' post='618006']
People have brought this up point but I really feel it's flawed thinking. Of course Brees and Rivers improved dramatically as players after Cam left. Both were talented from the beginning, showed growth during Cam's time and continued to grow after he left. What's to say both wouldn't have improved just as much under Cam?

Steve Young grew under Bill Wash but didn't stop after he retired. I think Joe still has room to grow under Cam and as controlling as Cam is, I don't think it will prevent Joe from leading this team to a Super Bowl.
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Entirely possible and I'd be inclined to agree if it was a random thing. When something begins to assume a pattern however, there might be something to it. Perhaps, as controlling as Cam is, he can only take a talented QB so far before his methods are the very thing holding them back and that is why they improve so dramatically after he is gone.

At this point it seems like we are stuck with him for next season, whether it be due to Harbaugh or the CBA. We can only hope that the powers that be will be certain that Cam changes some things.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1295477704' post='618018']
Entirely possible and I'd be inclined to agree if it was a random thing. When something begins to assume a pattern however, there might be something to it. Perhaps, as controlling as Cam is, he can only take a talented QB so far before his methods are the very thing holding them back and that is why they improve so dramatically after he is gone.

At this point it seems like we are stuck with him for next season, whether it be due to Harbaugh or the CBA. We can only hope that the powers that be will be certain that Cam changes some things.
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That is a possibility too but still a theory no more concrete than mine.

I concur. Daniel Wilcox said Cam is very arrogant and didn't take responsibility for things going wrong but for this team to move ahead offensively, he'll have to do some "self-scouting" as Trent Dilfer said this morning and recognize the issues with his game plans.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1295476911' post='618000'][b]
I'm trying to see what part of that statistical data means Cam should stay. It clearly showed that Joe WAS NOT the check down King as so many believed so your entire theory on the check downs does not fit[/b]. Though it is obvious that sometimes he does not go through his reads, the O line has not really afforded him much time to do that either.

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The fact that Rice has [b]caught[/b] 141 passes in the last two seasons, those are WR numbers. Dmase in the same two years has caught 134 passes, 7 less than Rice, and probably 75% of the people on this board would call Dmase Joe's main target or 'security blanket'.

Last 2 years:
Boldin - 148 receptions (only 64 with Baltimore)
Rice - 141 receptions
Dmase - 134 receptions
Heap - 93 receptions

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[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1295486152' post='618195']
The fact that Rice has [b]caught[/b] 141 passes in the last two seasons, those are WR numbers. Dmase in the same two years has caught 134 passes, 7 less than Rice, and probably 75% of the people on this board would call Dmase Joe's main target or 'security blanket'.

Last 2 years:
Boldin - 148 receptions (only 64 with Baltimore)
Rice - 141 receptions
Dmase - 134 receptions
Heap - 93 receptions
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Rice catching a ton of passes last season made sense but not this season.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295486222' post='618197']
Rice catching a ton of passes last season made sense but not this season.
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My thinking as well, which is why I fall back on the reasons that Joe does not read the field quickly enough and stares down his first receiver. Like I said, the more he plays the faster he will get at making his reads and will make quicker decisions.

Again, like I said there have been numerous times where Joe has had open receivers and simply did not see them because he couldn't make the reads. This falls back on Joe which is the reason I think firing Cameron would be the wrong move.

[Ed_Reed20]

Seeing as this is currently the most active Flacco-centric thread, I just wanted to post some random observations I had regarding him as I watch NFL Replay of the loss.

On one sack, Tony Moll didn't hear the snap and Joe had a man in his face before finishing his drop.

On another play, Joe threw an out to Mason but he was blanketed by Taylor and the ball was batted away.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1295486773' post='618212']
My thinking as well, which is why I fall back on the reasons that Joe does not read the field quickly enough and stares down his first receiver. Like I said, the more he plays the faster he will get at making his reads and will make quicker decisions.

Again, like I said there have been numerous times where Joe has had open receivers and simply did not see them because he couldn't make the reads. This falls back on Joe which is the reason I think firing Cameron would be the wrong move.
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Agreed. I think he does a slightly better job of going through his reads than people say but for some reason, there'll be times he'll look very slow doing it. That chalks up to relative inexperience.

Looking at the best QBs in the league or the ones commanding high-flying offenses, none of them are in their third seasons.

[XxSizzleXx]

Yup, which is the reasons I would hate to see Cam go. I remember both of those plays as well, Woodley made Moll look like a fool because he wasn't even ready for it. Ike seemed to do a good job of covering Mason, it sucks you can't actually see it on TV because he was probably doing a lot of holding, but there were a few plays where Ike ticked me off by swatting it down, he has some long arms.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1295487722' post='618251']
Yup, which is the reasons I would hate to see Cam go. I remember both of those plays as well, Woodley made Moll look like a fool because he wasn't even ready for it. Ike seemed to do a good job of covering Mason, it sucks you can't actually see it on TV because he was probably doing a lot of holding, but there were a few plays where Ike ticked me off by swatting it down, he has some long arms.
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He really does. I knew he was playing good football but he gave up nothing Saturday night and might have covered Mason better than he ever has.

[Ed_Reed20]

Joe takes the snap from the gun, scans the field quickly and dumps it off to Willis. I won't speculate on whether it was a called play or not but McGahee making a move and then cuts back which caused him to lose at least 3 yards.

He takes hand-off on the next play, tip-toes around and gets dropped for a loss.

On third down, Joe made one of his better plays of the game hanging in the pocket before rolling out and hitting Rice who left Polamalu and got the first.

Two plays later, Joe rolled out again and with no one open and Woodley in pursuit, [b]threw the ball out of bounds[/b]. Not that it crippled the team but why didn't do that in 4th quarter, I'll never know.

He hit Heap a play later for the pick play TD.

[Ed_Reed20]

Joe getting sacked on 3rd down before the last 4th down plays was completely on Rice and Chester. Rice tried to chop Timmons only to be hurdled and Chester inexplicably left Ziggy Hood, [i]even though the guy was inches to his left[/i], to try to pick Harrison who was looping around Yanda but still not a major threat to sack Joe. Both Hood and Timmons then converged on Joe.