John Harbaugh Is Our Very Own Andy Reid

[Guest RBates]

Look i have to be honest, i agree with you. i have never liked the hiring of Harbaugh his voice is like nails on a chalkboard. Because i know what he'll say before he says it. The coaches speeches are horrible. The way he dances around questions posed to him by the media, are terrible. All around just can't stand him as a head coach. With that said: Cam Cameron is good at developing young QB's but it is time that we part ways with him.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1295371932' post='615281']
Look i have to be honest, i agree with you. i have never liked the hiring of Harbaugh his voice is like nails on a chalkboard. Because i know what he'll say before he says it. [b]The coaches speeches are horrible. The way he dances around questions posed to him by the media, are terrible[/b]. All around just can't stand him as a head coach. With that said: Cam Cameron is good at developing young QB's but it is time that we part ways with him.
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Is it any different than what guys like Belichick, Reid, Fisher, Lovie Smith, Mike Smith, Caldwell and others do? You act like Harbaugh is the only head coach who reveals little to the media.

[MagicianCamille]

Yeah Harbaugh, how dare you not win a super bowl in your first three years as a head coach!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295372425' post='615300']
Is it any different than what guys like Belichick, Reid, Fisher, Lovie Smith, Mike Smith, Caldwell and others do? You act like Harbaugh is the only head coach who reveals little to the media.
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All those teams in my opinion are soft teams and coaches. That is why i am a Ravens fan because we don't deal with soft players or coaches. It seems we are changing though and that is a lil disappointing.

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1295373690' post='615343']
All those teams in my opinion are soft teams and coaches. That is why i am a Ravens fan because we don't deal with soft players or coaches. It seems we are changing though and that is a lil disappointing.
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What about Mike Tomlin. He'll give the "coach answers" to any media questions. Is his team soft?

And how does not telling the media everything about your team equate to being soft?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1295373690' post='615343']
All those teams in my opinion are soft teams and coaches. That is why i am a Ravens fan because we don't deal with soft players or coaches. It seems we are changing though and that is a lil disappointing.
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You cannot be serious dude! I'll give you Reid, Smith and Caldwell but [b]Belichick[/b], Fisher and Mike Smith are soft coaches? WOW....

Who are the soft players on this team? I challenge you to name at least five. I'll spot you one with Chester.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295373915' post='615352']
You cannot be serious dude! I'll give you Reid, Smith and Caldwell but [b]Belichick[/b], Fisher and Mike Smith are soft coaches? WOW....

Who are the soft players on this team? I challenge you to name at least five. I'll spot you one with Chester.
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Soft coaches Harbaugh, Cam, and Matty. Soft players- we really don't have any so ill agree with that. But as far as the other coaches and players i was spot on. Belichick coaches one of the softest players in the league in Tom Brady. Jeff Fisher IMO should be a coordinator somewhere. He has struggled year in and out as a head coach. Mike smith is also unproven, but recently got blown out at home so there is nothing more to say about him.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295373911' post='615351']
What about Mike Tomlin. He'll give the "coach answers" to any media questions. Is his team soft?

And how does not telling the media everything about your team equate to being soft?
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Mike tomlin coaches one of the most feared teams in the league. Clearly not soft. The coaches answers alone don't make you soft. While he may offer the coaches speeches in the media he doesn't talk around what questions are asked of him in the pressers. He just gave his Qb the name Raven killer. Stirring up all kinds of emotions over here, and he is not afraid of the results. I wish we had him.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1295378461' post='615525']
Soft coaches Harbaugh, Cam, and Matty. Soft players- we really don't have any so ill agree with that. But as far as the other coaches and players i was spot on. Belichick coaches one of the softest players in the league in Tom Brady. Jeff Fisher IMO should be a coordinator somewhere. He has struggled year in and out as a head coach. Mike smith is also unproven, but recently got blown out at home so there is nothing more to say about him.
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Wait, address the fact that you called "The Hoody" a soft coach.

I've heard Harbaugh is very tough on the players behind closed doors. Cam is not soft, he's a control freak. Mattison is not soft either. He's fielded a solid defensive unit despite aging stars, one quality pass rusher, one elite DT and basically no impact youngsters.

You're entitled to your opinion on Fisher but considering he's the longest tenured HC in the league, I'd say he shouldn't "be a coordinator somewhere". The man is a good head coach. His owner was actually considering rolling with Vince Young over him! What head coach can succeed in that environment?

There's nothing more to say about Smith because his team got blown out? Bull! He took over one of the worst teams in the league and turned them into a consistent play-off contender.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1295378743' post='615533']
Mike tomlin coaches one of the most feared teams in the league. Clearly not soft. The coaches answers alone don't make you soft. While he may offer the coaches speeches in the media he doesn't talk around what questions are asked of him in the pressers. He just gave his Qb the name Raven killer. Stirring up all kinds of emotions over here, and he is not afraid of the results. I wish we had him.
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The guy takes over one of best franchises in history, is supported by two of the better coordinators in the league, one of them being arguably the best defensive coordinator, But because he gives his QB a cute nickname, you want him to be the head coach? On top of that you criticize this team's head coach because he supposedly doesn't coach offense or defense? That is weak man.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295378825' post='615534']
Wait, address the fact that you called "The Hoody" a soft coach.

I've heard Harbaugh is very tough on the players behind closed doors. Cam is not soft, he's a control freak. Mattison is not soft either. He's fielded a solid defensive unit despite aging stars, one quality pass rusher, one elite DT and basically no impact youngsters.

You're entitled to your opinion on Fisher but considering he's the longest tenured HC in the league, I'd say he shouldn't "be a coordinator somewhere". The man is a good head coach. His owner was actually considering rolling with Vince Young over him! What head coach can succeed in that environment?

There's nothing more to say about Smith because his team got blown out? Bull! He took over one of the worst teams in the league and turned them into a consistent play-off contender.
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Cam is soft in play calling. Not even the players respect the production on offense.

Matty- has given games away with his lack of a decent play call on third and long situations. has problems coaching a good defense despite aging players. Haloti was going to the pro-bowl no matter who the coordinator is, he is virtually unable to be blocked.

Harbaugh the ring leader. Has problems admitting that his O Coordinator has struggled all season despite having one of the most talented Offenses in football.
Those coaches speeches are by far the single most annoying thing i have ever seen. Look at all his pressers he says the exact same thing. The fact that he knows all the reporters names and tries to build a relationship with them so they don't bash him maybe the worst.

all this equals soft IMO

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295379073' post='615544']
The guy takes over one of best franchises in history, is supported by two of the better coordinators in the league, one of them being arguably the best defensive coordinator, But because he gives his QB a cute nickname, you want him to be the head coach? On top of that you criticize this team's head coach because he supposedly doesn't coach offense or defense? That is weak man.
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Basically Harbaugh is a team manager not a coach. I can except that if he grows some _____. Stop giving the coaches speeches and tell the truth. What i want him to say is; We played terrible on offense, it is a problem that has been going on all season, and it will be corrected. That is not throwing your team,players, or coaches under the bus. Its just identifying the problem and reassuring the fans that we will get better.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295379073' post='615544']
The guy takes over one of best franchises in history, is supported by two of the better coordinators in the league, one of them being arguably the best defensive coordinator, But because he gives his QB a cute nickname, you want him to be the head coach? On top of that you criticize this team's head coach because he supposedly doesn't coach offense or defense? That is weak man.
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Thats more than a cute nick name it makes a statement. That we cannot will not beat Ben. The only way to change that is to beat them with him. Which we haven't been able to do. Your right he does have great coordinators in Pittsburgh but i thought we had a pretty good tandem here. But that was layed to rest this season. Tomlin is the kinda guy that motivates his team to victory. The proof was how they looked after the half in our game. They came out like a team possessed while our team came out embarrassing, like they have all season long.

[Ravens Lover]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1295323771' post='614419']
He can build a good team, he can beat bad teams, he can get us into the playoffs with consistency, but he can't get us a Super Bowl. I was a huge Harbaugh supporter for the first two years, but when it comes to Cam Cameron, I'm not going to let Harbaugh continue to you-know-what down my leg and tell me it's raining. In my line of work, if your company hires you one of the best support staffs in the country, but your productivity drops by 50% compared to last year, you get fired. Especially when week in and week out, your failures are obvious to everyone but yourself, and you continue to fail in precisely the same ways.

Lets put it this way: if the offense sputters and fails again next year, Harbaugh needs to go down along with Cam, because he will have proven without a doubt what seems obvious right now: he's just another Andy Reid.
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And now Baltimore can turn into the next Phily woo hoo

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1295379554' post='615559']
Cam is soft in play calling. Not even the players respect the production on offense.

Matty- has given games away with his lack of a decent play call on third and long situations. has problems coaching a good defense despite aging players. Haloti was going to the pro-bowl no matter who the coordinator is, he is virtually unable to be blocked.

Harbaugh the ring leader. Has problems admitting that his O Coordinator has struggled all season despite having one of the most talented Offenses in football.
Those coaches speeches are by far the single most annoying thing i have ever seen. Look at all his pressers he says the exact same thing. The fact that he knows all the reporters names and tries to build a relationship with them so they don't bash him maybe the worst.

all this equals soft IMO
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Cam isn't soft in his play-calling. Too often though, he's clueless.

What games has Mattison given away? If a defense can't stop people on third and long, they're simply not good enough.

He has problems coaching a good defense really? [b]That's another lie.[/b] People say the defense has blown leads this year. Maybe they wouldn't have blown leads had the offense put up a field goal or two in the second half of games they got out to an early start. Maybe they wouldn't have blown leads had they not been forced to play 60+ snaps so often.

Don't lie to yourself, Ngata [i]can[/i] be blocked. He improved as pass rusher this season but often couldn't get past guards or centers if his bull rush didn't work.

Harbaugh doesn't have problem admitting his OC struggled; he's simply not one to do it in the media. [b]MANY COACHES IN THE NFL AREN'T[/b]. The offense, for all it's talent, had [b]NUMEROUS FLAWS[/b]. You bang on the coaches as if they were coaching gods. They weren't.

[b]Coaches using cliches are common all around the NFL[/b]. You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

I'm pretty sure you would know the names of reporters if the same asked you questions all week for a full NFL season too. That you want to criticize Harbaugh for that too is absolutely moronic.

It doesn't equal soft. You've proven you have no idea what you're talking about.

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1295379863' post='615572']
Basically Harbaugh is a team manager not a coach. I can except that if he grows some _____. Stop giving the coaches speeches and tell the truth. What i want him to say is; We played terrible on offense, it is a problem that has been going on all season, and it will be corrected. That is not throwing your team,players, or coaches under the bus. Its just identifying the problem and reassuring the fans that we will get better.
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How about addressing your hypocritical assessment of Harbaugh? Oh right, you can't.

He did reassure the fans it will get better. You've simply chosen to pick and choose things you didn't like from his speeches and slam the guy(like I've noticed other fans in this city have). It's a joke man. Your argument is a joke.

[UMDan]

I like Harbaugh and I think he's a great coach. There's no need for urgency regarding his position. There are some crucial decisions that need to be made, but Harbaugh should have at least a 3 year extension based on what he's done with this team. I think some of the fan frustration is that every year we have great results, but it is the same result... make the playoffs, don't make the Superbowl. There are issues that you can point to that hinder our chances: not being able to beat the Steelers, Joe being flustered under pressure, the defense getting tired, etc. but I think the people in the organization recognize the issues and will do what they can to change it. And Harbaugh certainly will despite his blind loyalty to his coordinators.

[Clutch Ravens]

Y'know, I used to think I was a pessimist until I joined this forum.

How many fans would kill to have a head coach that in his first 3 years has led his team to a 32-16 record, while developing a Quarterback, leading his team to the playoffs in every season he's been in charge?

Seriously, a lot of people need to put down the keyboard, step away for a minute and breathe.

[True]

They've both had success in the regular season and playoffs. Both are terrible at challenges and clock management.

However, Andy Reid has pretty much owned the NFC East and has numerous divisional titles. That is still something Harbaugh has to get over the hump. Beating the Bengals with Palmer and beating the Steelers with Big Ben (2-10 against them) and winning the AFC North.

John Harbaugh is a great up and coming coach, but still has a few years left before he can match Reid's resume.

[Ravenite]

I've heard plenty of times during the pressers of Harbaugh saying that he was disappointed with the offense, especially the last game against the Bengals.

However, I think us as fans need to understand that as much as WE are hard on our team, the coaches are MORE harder on them.

Why should he explain to the masses again about what we ALL seen.

We don't know what goes on in the locker rooms or behind closed doors. We wish we could but thats the beauty of the NFL. The mystery. Thats what makes Ozzie Ozzie. If we knew every calculating move our front office was doing, where's the fun in that?

[b]We can be critical of our team all we want[/b] but they don't answer to us. Yeah, we pay to go to games and buy merchandise but it's our choice. Go ahead and like another team if our coach sucks.

Yeah we given up some leads but such is life in the NFL. They know what they have to work on towards next season.

[JoeBlowenstein]

What we all witnessed on Saturday was THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOOD TEAM AND A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER TEAM. Championship Teams make the catches in the endzone, makes the 3rd and 18, 4th and 19 catches, does fumble away victories against teams that they obviously out match at almost every position. Unfortunately the Ravens aren't a Championship caliber team, good but that's it. What does it that for a good team to make that next step the Championship caliber? Whatever that something is, my beloved hometown team just does have it or seen to know how to get it. sad, very sad

[cuervodoro]

[quote name='TheSim' timestamp='1295323771' post='614419']
He can build a good team, he can beat bad teams, he can get us into the playoffs with consistency, but he can't get us a Super Bowl. I was a huge Harbaugh supporter for the first two years, but when it comes to Cam Cameron, I'm not going to let Harbaugh continue to you-know-what down my leg and tell me it's raining. In my line of work, if your company hires you one of the best support staffs in the country, but your productivity drops by 50% compared to last year, you get fired. Especially when week in and week out, your failures are obvious to everyone but yourself, and you continue to fail in precisely the same ways.

Lets put it this way: if the offense sputters and fails again next year, Harbaugh needs to go down along with Cam, because he will have proven without a doubt what seems obvious right now: he's just another Andy Reid.
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We ned to stop thinking of the Harb/Cam relationship, as that of professionalism.
A friendship bond exist between these buddies, and Harb is protective of this. In that sense we have nepotism steering our goals to mediocrity. Do not expect John's views to be clear or impartial on this. Cam will bare little fault or accountability.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='cuervodoro' timestamp='1295399297' post='616473']
We ned to stop thinking of the Harb/Cam relationship, as that of professionalism.
A friendship bond exist between these buddies, and Harb is protective of this. In that sense we have nepotism steering our goals to mediocrity. Do not expect John's views to be clear or impartial on this. Cam will bare little fault or accountability.
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Beautifully said but you're way off man. Do you honestly believe there's room for nepotism in the NFL. What makes you think Bisciotti and Ozzie would allow John to get away with that? Better question, what makes you think John has the control and leeway to get away that?

Your final statement is a ridiculous statement.

[H8R]

I have NO DOUBT that Harbs can get us where we need to go, and finish the job.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1295352992' post='614736']
Obviously we can't see it on TV, but I think part of the problem of "no one being open" is Joe failing to make his reads fast enough, if at all...
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this this this right here. There are numerous times Flacco has an open receiver yet he fails to make the read and therefore the throw.