Where Does Foxworth Fit In On Defense Next Season?

[AwakenTheDemon]

Everyone's so stoked about Asomugha being a free agent and wanting to pick him up. However they forget to look at the bigger picture. As amazing as Asomugha is, he's going into his 9th season, and will most likely be looking for a big deal (something most people are bringing up when it comes to people like Ngata who already need paid on this team). Foxy will be entering his 7th season, Wilson his 5th, Carr his 7th, and Webb will be entering his 3rd. That's alot of relatively young talent that has tremendous upside that's much more affordable for this team.

[Proxzyn]

Foxworth will be very welcomed back into a CB roster that needs some stronger competition to push each others skills to the max. Preferebly alongside a new rookie.

[boldinitalics]

I'd say

CB1 Foxworth Webb
CB2 Wilson Carr

Perfect.

[edreedfromtheu]

The two Maryland Terrapin corners will be starting for the Ravens. Josh Wilson and Dominique Foxworth. Depending on the opponent, I assume Lardarius Webb will be the 3rd corner. Yes, he got beat deep with no excuse what-so-ever. But he got beat because of his own doing. It wasn't physical, he didn't get beat with speed. He just had a mental letdown and completely stopped on the play, yet almost caught back up with the receiver and a perfectly placed throw got there.

If Dawan Landry is just going to sit back and watch balls go over his head... then this team might want to strongly consider signing Champ Bailey as a safety(which he's stated he WANTS to play). I think a better safety to play with Ed Reed would help a whole lot more than another corner(unless that corner was Nnamdi Asomugha.)

[True]

I don't think he should immediately comeback and take the #1 CB spot. He's coming off injury so should take it slowly and get back to game speed. Probably take the #1 spot around week 3-4 pending his play is up to level.

I want the Ravens to resign Josh Wilson. He has really come into his own and been a solid CB with great speed. Eventually if Foxworth is fully healthy he can take that #1 spot if he's playing well. Chris Carr also needs to be resigned as he's been a steady corner all season and matches up well against slot receivers. Webb is making great strides but he still has a lot to learn about the position since he played safety in college. With more experience he'll get better next season and provide great depth in the secondary.

SS is still a question mark as Dawan Landry hasn't played as well at the position missing tackles and letting receivers go a top of him. He's good, but not solid. I haven't checked out the market for SS but the Ravens should look into fixing that position.

Ideally, the Ravens really need to focus on the front seven. I believe Ngata and Cody will be the future Siragusa and Adams of the DL line. LBs is definetily something that needs to be upgraded. The Ravens have 3 young LBs but they need to invest in some serious talent at the position because none of those 3 are starter caliber players (so far) and need a force opposing Suggs at the OLB position. I believe that will be addressed through the draft with their first pick.

[baltravens]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295380616' post='615599']
I don't think he should immediately comeback and take the #1 CB spot. He's coming off injury so should take it slowly and get back to game speed. Probably take the #1 spot around week 3-4 pending his play is up to level.

I want the Ravens to resign Josh Wilson. He has really come into his own and been a solid CB with great speed. Eventually if Foxworth is fully healthy he can take that #1 spot if he's playing well. Chris Carr also needs to be resigned as he's been a steady corner all season and matches up well against slot receivers. Webb is making great strides but he still has a lot to learn about the position since he played safety in college. With more experience he'll get better next season and provide great depth in the secondary.

SS is still a question mark as Dawan Landry hasn't played as well at the position missing tackles and letting receivers go a top of him. He's good, but not solid. I haven't checked out the market for SS but the Ravens should look into fixing that position.

Ideally, the Ravens really need to focus on the front seven. I believe Ngata and Cody will be the future Siragusa and Adams of the DL line. LBs is definetily something that needs to be upgraded. The Ravens have 3 young LBs but they need to invest in some serious talent at the position because none of those 3 are starter caliber players (so far) and need a force opposing Suggs at the OLB position. I believe that will be addressed through the draft with their first pick.
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I really hope the organization addresses their draft strategy. I know the draft is a ways off, but I hope the Ravens give weight to need rather than the highest-rated-player philosophy that Ozzie typically goes with. As a recent example, we went with the highest-rated players early in the last draft, and they resulted in Kindle and Cody. I am not totally judgmental in this, but being so early in the draft we should have had more of a positive contribution from those two. Please, Ozzie, show your master decision-making skills and start coming up with more gems like Flacco and Rice early in drafts. Lastly, one can see where the highest-rated-player has got us - no Super Bowl appearances, and we continually play second fiddle to Pittsburgh. Something that I, along with most Ravens' fans, are sadly disappointed about.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1295383048' post='615681']
I really hope the organization addresses their draft strategy. I know the draft is a ways off, but I hope the Ravens give weight to need rather than the highest-rated-player philosophy that Ozzie typically goes with. As a recent example, we went with the highest-rated players early in the last draft, and they resulted in Kindle and Cody. I am not totally judgmental in this, but being so early in the draft we should have had more of a positive contribution from those two. Please, Ozzie, show your master decision-making skills and started coming up with more gems like Flacco and Rice early in drafts. Lastly, one can see where the highest-rated-player has got us - no Super Bowl appearances, and we continually play second fiddle to Pittsburgh. Something that I, along with most Ravens' fans, are sadly disappointed about.
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The organization's draft philosophy is "best player available" but they don't discount need completely. The team [i]did[/i] need a rush LB in the mold of Kindle and they still do. With Gregg's decline, they needed a run stuffer like Cody as well.

I'm not saying Kindle's presence alone would have got this team to the Super Bowl but I'm positive the Ravens would have put more pressure on QBs. The team was aware of his mistakes but didn't see his skull fracture occurring. The team really didn't need Cody this season but his contributions in a few games showed he has taeltn.

You say find more "gems" like Joe and Rice. Don't Oher and Webb, who were drafted the very next year, count as gems? Oher's had his struggles at LT but is still a good player and Webb has a bright future.

Drafting the best player available hasn't got the Ravens to a Super Bowl but they [b]wouldn't even be in contention[/b] without some of the recent draft picks.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295380616' post='615599']
[b]I don't think he should immediately comeback and take the #1 CB spot. He's coming off injury so should take it slowly and get back to game speed. Probably take the #1 spot around week 3-4 pending his play is up to level. [/b]

I want the Ravens to resign Josh Wilson. He has really come into his own and been a solid CB with great speed. Eventually if Foxworth is fully healthy he can take that #1 spot if he's playing well. Chris Carr also needs to be resigned as he's been a steady corner all season and matches up well against slot receivers. Webb is making great strides but he still has a lot to learn about the position since he played safety in college. With more experience he'll get better next season and provide great depth in the secondary.

SS is still a question mark as Dawan Landry hasn't played as well at the position missing tackles and letting receivers go a top of him. He's good, but not solid. I haven't checked out the market for SS but the Ravens should look into fixing that position.

Ideally, the Ravens really need to focus on the front seven. I believe Ngata and Cody will be the future Siragusa and Adams of the DL line. LBs is definetily something that needs to be upgraded. The Ravens have 3 young LBs but they need to invest in some serious talent at the position because none of those 3 are starter caliber players (so far) and need a force opposing Suggs at the OLB position. I believe that will be addressed through the draft with their first pick.
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You're forgetting that Foxy tore his ACL before the season even started. So he's going to have at [i]least[/i] a year to rehab and get back to game speed. I wouldn't be surprised to see him up and ready to play come week one, and play well.

[Hjulmann]

If we add Nnamdi, I don't see who is gonna start our CB line apart from him of course. I say wait and find out if Fox is in health and start him and Josh, together with our vets on the safeties, and hopefully Ray ray n t.sizzle along with ngata on our Dline

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1295383992' post='615711']
If we add Nnamdi, I don't see who is gonna start our CB line apart from him of course. I say wait and find out if Fox is in health and start him and Josh, together with our vets on the safeties, and hopefully Ray ray n t.sizzle along with ngata on our Dline
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Too bad we most likely will not even pursue Asomugha. It's been said before, his paycheck is much, much too high for this team when we have other, in-house talent that needs paid first. Thinking Nnamdi will be a Raven next year is a pipe-dream.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295383437' post='615696']
The organization's draft philosophy is "best player available" but they don't discount need completely. The team [i]did[/i] need a rush LB in the mold of Kindle and they still do. With Gregg's decline, they needed a run stuffer like Cody as well.

I'm not saying Kindle's presence alone would have got this team to the Super Bowl but I'm positive the Ravens would have put more pressure on QBs. The team was aware of his mistakes but didn't see his skull fracture occurring. The team really didn't need Cody this season but his contributions in a few games showed he has taeltn.

You say find more "gems" like Joe and Rice. Don't Oher and Webb, who were drafted the very next year, count as gems? Oher's had his struggles at LT but is still a good player and Webb has a bright future.

Drafting the best player available hasn't got the Ravens to a Super Bowl but they [b]wouldn't even be in contention[/b] without some of the recent draft picks.
[/quote]
I, along with the Ravens' players, see not reaching the Super Bowl as a disappointing season. I am not accepting failure especially when Harbaugh says that we had the game "in the palm of our hand." We crashed or had a meltdown in the second half of the Pittsburgh game, and we should have gone farther with so much talent. 12-4 is fantastic, but your tone seems to be condoning where we ended up. I feel for the players, and no one feels more disappointed than the Baltimore Ravens. So, it is wait until next year, where I hope we have a productive draft (because we sure need one). I vote for Ozzie giving more weight in the draft to need. We have issues at tackle, wide receiver, and defensive line since I am expecting Kindle to contribute at linebacker. The 2011 draft is another thread entirely, so I will give deference to that where someone begins a post exclusively to that.

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1295341574' post='614649']
I can't even recall how Foxworth played.
And I'm sure I've seen him play since he was a Raven.
I don't think he's that extra player that will turn this team around, and I don't think he's the answer at CB.
It seems like Fabian won't be back as a Raven, but we still need a solid CB or a safety.
Hopefully Reed will be back next season, but what about Zibby or Landry?
Landry can't tackle and Zibby can't make it on the field.
Our secondary really did step it up this season, especially when Reed came back, and in my opinion Carr had a great season and can only get better.
I think Wilson and Webb should stay and should be considered in the return game.
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Are you kidding? Landry can't tackle?
Landry is by far better safety physicality wise for stopping the runs etc., while Reed is better downfield. Landry's presence makes Reed have the star quality. Ask me, Landry is by far one of the most underrated safeties in the NFL.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1295386968' post='615840']
I, along with the Ravens' players, see not reaching the Super Bowl as a disappointing season. I am not accepting failure especially when Harbaugh says that we had the game "in the palm of our hand." We crashed or had a meltdown in the second half of the Pittsburgh game, and we should have gone farther with so much talent. 12-4 is fantastic, but your tone seems to be condoning where we ended up. I feel for the players, and no one feels more disappointed than the Baltimore Ravens. So, it is wait until next year, where I hope we have a productive draft (because we sure need one). I vote for Ozzie giving more weight in the draft to need. We have issues at tackle, wide receiver, and defensive line since I am expecting Kindle to contribute at linebacker. The 2011 draft is another thread entirely, so I will give deference to that where someone begins a post exclusively to that.
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Obviously not reaching the Super Bowl is a failure, especially this season when the pieces were in place to at least go deeper than the Ravens actually did.

This is the internet. How in the world can you gather my tone from words I wrote? Did I every say I was happy with the way the season ended? Learn to read. You brought up gems like Flacco and Rice and I reminded you Oher and Webb have been key contributors as well.

Ozzie drafts for need every season after addressing some needs in FA. If you've paid attention to past drafts, you'd know despite the "BPA" motto, the Ravens always address needs in the draft.

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1295387512' post='615857']
Are you kidding? Landry can't tackle?
Landry is by far better safety physicality wise for stopping the runs etc., while Reed is better downfield. Landry's presence makes Reed have the star quality. Ask me, Landry is by far one of the most underrated safeties in the NFL.
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Landry is an inconsistent tackler. His missed tackles have directly led to two big TDs this season and he's had countless other whiffs.

I don't see how Landry's presence "makes Reed have the star quality"(not sure what that even means). As Reed showed against the Chiefs and on Mendenhall Saturday night, he can lay some wood and wrap through tackles. And his instincts and ball-hawking skills have never been in question.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Reed played fantastic football before Landry was ever a Raven. So his presence doesn't enable Reed, the guy could put up grade-A seasons no matter who's playing strong safety.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1295387512' post='615857']
Are you kidding? Landry can't tackle?
Landry is by far better safety physicality wise for stopping the runs etc., while Reed is better downfield. [b]Landry's presence makes Reed have the star quality[/b]. Ask me, Landry is by far one of the most underrated safeties in the NFL.
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Is this a serious statement? So when Landry was out for basically the entire year, and Ed Reed was in contention for Defensive Player of the Year, all while playing alongside Jim Leonard, was Landry intimidating the opposing Offense by starring them down from the sideline? Because he [b]had[/b] to have been a key contributor behind Reed's 11 INTs.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295383437' post='615696']
The organization's draft philosophy is "best player available" but they don't discount need completely. The team [i]did[/i] need a rush LB in the mold of Kindle and they still do. With Gregg's decline, they needed a run stuffer like Cody as well.

I'm not saying Kindle's presence alone would have got this team to the Super Bowl but I'm positive the Ravens would have put more pressure on QBs. The team was aware of his mistakes but didn't see his skull fracture occurring. The team really didn't need Cody this season but his contributions in a few games showed he has taeltn.

You say find more "gems" like Joe and Rice. Don't Oher and Webb, who were drafted the very next year, count as gems? Oher's had his struggles at LT but is still a good player and Webb has a bright future.

Drafting the best player available hasn't got the Ravens to a Super Bowl but they [b]wouldn't even be in contention[/b] without some of the recent draft picks.
[/quote]
As you say, "...wouldn't even be in contention..." you seem accepting of where the Ravens ended up and substantiating a case for it. You are no Ravens' draft expert and neither am I. We are all Ravens' fans, so why be so often confrontational when you write? None of us are always right. WE DID NOT REACH THE SUPER BOWL with all our talent, and I am down about it!

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1295449266' post='617205']
As you say, "...wouldn't even be in contention..." you seem accepting of where the Ravens ended up and substantiating a case for it. You are no Ravens' draft expert and neither am I. We are all Ravens' fans, so why be so often confrontational when you write? None of us are always right. WE DID NOT REACH THE SUPER BOWL with all our talent, and I am down about it!
[/quote]

You're completely off base. I do not think ED20 is in the least "accepting of where the Ravens ended up and substantiating a case for it". He even said that he views a season without a Super Bowl as a failure. But he's right on the head when he says that drafting BPA is something that helps push this team into the playoffs every year and keep them in contention for a Super Bowl.

Perhaps you should not be so touchy or misunderstand what people say. The only times I've seen him "confrontational" is when people are making ridiculous, inane posts.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1295449266' post='617205']
As you say, "...wouldn't even be in contention..." you seem accepting of where the Ravens ended up and substantiating a case for it. You are no Ravens' draft expert and neither am I. We are all Ravens' fans, so why be so often confrontational when you write? None of us are always right. WE DID NOT REACH THE SUPER BOWL with all our talent, and I am down about it!
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As ATD said, I'm not "accepting" at all of how the Ravens' season ended.

Why is it that you didn't quote my second post in response to you where the very first sentence I wrote was, "[b]Obviously not reaching the Super Bowl is a failure, especially this season when the pieces were in place to at least go deeper than the Ravens actually did[/b],"?

I have never claimed to be a draft expert nor have I been confrontational with you since we started this debate. Twice now though, you have misconstrued what I've written and claimed I'm basically content with the season when nothing I've written has suggested is the case.

Obviously the Ravens didn't get to the Super Bowl and I am just as disappointed as any Ravens fan. My heart dropped when Brown caught that long bomb and I was slumped over very much the way Houshmandzadeh was after his drop all but sealed the game.

[ravens88]

hopefully we resign Wilson and carr let washington go. That give us Foxworth and Wilson the starting corners and carr at nickle and webb as the add in guy. I like webb but i think the other 3 are better right now. I think our corner position is covered if we can resign those two.

[wayne]

Yea, if we could get a lock down corner like Nhandi, game is over for opposing offenses but I feel we could get it done with the current CBs we have. Foxworth played real good towards the end of the season but this injury could have set him back, who knows. I'm just glad seemingly Ed and Ray is coming back, thank God.

[wayne]

Yes, an upgrade for Landry could be great. What about Tom, I think Ed and Tom would make for a good combo?