1 Winning Drive

[Militant X 1]

i just got finished watching the 1 Winning Drive show and i must say that i was extremely impressed by watching Coach Harbaugh go from player to player (that was down after losing to the Steelers) in the locker room and hug'em, talk with'em and encourage'em. now that's a coach!

great job John!

[Alexir]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1295310901' post='613981']
i just got finished watching the 1 Winning Drive show and i must say that i was extremely impressed by watching Coach Harbaugh go from player to player (that was down after losing to the Steelers) in the locker room and hug'em, talk with'em and encourage'em. now that's a coach!

great job John!
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Is that a coach or a cheerleader?

A coach would know how to make adjustments in the second half. If this was the first instance of us blowing a lead I would be kinder but no, we didn't play like Ravens. We played like Dodo birds in the second half.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1295317259' post='614240']
Is that a coach or a cheerleader?

A coach would know how to make adjustments in the second half. If this was the first instance of us blowing a lead I would be kinder but no, we didn't play like Ravens. We played like Dodo birds in the second half.
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What kind of adjustments do you make when the players turn the ball over in three consecutive drives and the defenses gives up TDs all three times?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295317541' post='614252']
What kind of adjustments do you make when the players turn the ball over in three consecutive drives and the defenses gives up TDs all three times?
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Attack the middle of the field, don't run draw plays on 3rd and long, dont play prevent defense. Turnovers are hard to overcome. The interception is Flacco and Cams fault. That ball shouldn't of been thrown. Rice never fumbles, he did that time, I was mad but like I said, the guy never fumbles. The Birk one killed me. This guy has been doing this for years and he hikes the ball straight into his taint.....ugh.

Like I said, the adjustments aren't only about this game. Its about every game this year.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1295318111' post='614264']
Attack the middle of the field, don't run draw plays on 3rd and long, dont play prevent defense. Turnovers are hard to overcome. The interception is Flacco and Cams fault. That ball shouldn't of been thrown. Rice never fumbles, he did that time, I was mad but like I said, the guy never fumbles. The Birk one killed me. This guy has been doing this for years and he hikes the ball straight into his taint.....ugh.

Like I said, the adjustments aren't only about this game. Its about every game this year.
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Cam has rarely attacked the middle of the field all season. Are you really that surprised he didn't do it Saturday night? When did they run a draw play on third and long?

You play prevent to PREVENT THE DEEP BALL. When do you usually run a prevent defense? In Hail Mary situations or 3rd/4th and forever. Looking back, I could live with Webb letting Brown run by him but as a safety, you are NEVER supposed to let someone get behind you in that situation. If you have to turn your hips all the way and actually sprint in the opposite direction, do that. But you don't let someone get behind you.

How is the interception Cam's fault at all?

I agree necessary adjustments haven't always been made this season but in the most important game of the season, the players flubbed up too many times.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295318497' post='614280']
Cam has rarely attacked the middle of the field all season. Are you really that surprised he didn't do it Saturday night? When did they run a draw play on third and long?

You play prevent to PREVENT THE DEEP BALL. When do you usually run a prevent defense? In Hail Mary situations or 3rd/4th and forever. Looking back, I could live with Webb letting Brown run by him but as a safety, you are NEVER supposed to let someone get behind you in that situation. If you have to turn your hips all the way and actually sprint in the opposite direction, do that. But you don't let someone get behind you.

How is the interception Cam's fault at all?

I agree necessary adjustments haven't always been made this season but in the most important game of the season, the players flubbed up too many times.
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Agreed. You can make adjustments to compensate for your opponent but when your opponent is yourself, there is no way to adjust besides getting your head in the game.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295318497' post='614280']
Cam has rarely attacked the middle of the field all season. Are you really that surprised he didn't do it Saturday night? When did they run a draw play on third and long?

You play prevent to PREVENT THE DEEP BALL. When do you usually run a prevent defense? In Hail Mary situations or 3rd/4th and forever. Looking back, I could live with Webb letting Brown run by him but as a safety, you are NEVER supposed to let someone get behind you in that situation. If you have to turn your hips all the way and actually sprint in the opposite direction, do that. But you don't let someone get behind you.

How is the interception Cam's fault at all?

I agree necessary adjustments haven't always been made this season but in the most important game of the season, the players flubbed up too many times.
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Don't forget, illegal contact was called anyway which gave them an automatic first down regardless... we'll never know what would have happened had we stopped the catch... oh well.

[bauer77]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1295317259' post='614240']
Is that a coach or a cheerleader?

A coach would know how to make adjustments in the second half. If this was the first instance of us blowing a lead I would be kinder but no, we didn't play like Ravens. We played like Dodo birds in the second half.
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as Pitch stated thats a coach. Thats what most coaches do after a tough loss.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Harbaugh is all class.

[H8R]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1295318111' post='614264']
Attack the middle of the field, don't run draw plays on 3rd and long, dont play prevent defense. Turnovers are hard to overcome. The interception is Flacco and Cams fault. That ball shouldn't of been thrown. Rice never fumbles, he did that time, I was mad but like I said, the guy never fumbles. The Birk one killed me. This guy has been doing this for years and he hikes the ball [b]straight into his taint.....ugh.[/b]Like I said, the adjustments aren't only about this game. Its about every game this year.
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This had me rolling.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295317541' post='614252']
What kind of adjustments do you make when the players turn the ball over in three consecutive drives and the defenses gives up TDs all three times?
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Maybe some of the same adjustments the Steelers made during HT when they were down 21-7 and turned the ball over multiple times? If they used the same logic you're using they would have quit during HT. Those Run - Run - Dumpoff to Rice - Punt series won't get us to the superbowl, I'll guarantee you that much.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295318497' post='614280']
Cam has rarely attacked the middle of the field all season. Are you really that surprised he didn't do it Saturday night? When did they run a draw play on third and long?

You play prevent to PREVENT THE DEEP BALL. When do you usually run a prevent defense? In Hail Mary situations or 3rd/4th and forever. Looking back, I could live with Webb letting Brown run by him but as a safety, you are NEVER supposed to let someone get behind you in that situation. If you have to turn your hips all the way and actually sprint in the opposite direction, do that. But you don't let someone get behind you.

How is the interception Cam's fault at all?

I agree necessary adjustments haven't always been made this season but in the most important game of the season, the players flubbed up too many times.
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You're still obsessed with the turnovers. They happen, get over it. We're talking about the playcalling, about Cam's inablity to stop being vanilla on offense. His inability to be creative, to get the ball to Boldin who according to Cameron is getting quadruple-teamed on ever single play. It's not Cam's inability to be creative, it's always how great the defenses are. No matter how bad they actually are, Cam always finds a way to praise defenses for his inability to be a decent coordinator.

If Boldin is getting covered by 10 guys you get the ball to Heap or Mason. We don't do that. That's the problem. We did that during the Chiefs game, but that's about it. It should be that way every single game. Your excuses are your own, Cam. We don't need to hear about how defenses are playing lights out every time they play us, when in reality you're just not good enough to make plays against them.

Can't even get Stallworth involved. Talk about Ravens needs a speedy playmaker at the WR position and yet we do have that guy on our team. We don't use him because Cam can't figure it out. We have the QB with the biggest arm in football and one of the fastest receivers in the game. And a coordinator that doesn't know how to get him the ball. Instead he comes up with these lame end arounds. And then you look at all the other boneheaded decisions this guy makes. Moving Oher to LT when he clearly gets shredded by every decent pass rushing DE. Turn Flacco into a robot by not giving him any power to control this offense or make any adjustments. If he sees Polamalu blitzing and Cam hasn't lined up anybody to block him then he's gonna come through unblocked. Cam could be a pretty successful pee wee football coach. As a coordinator in the NFL he's a joke. He makes Cavanaugh look like Bill Walsh.

And now I'm hearing Harbaugh talk about how this offense will be top notch next season...based on absolutely nothing. Why would he even say that? We don't even know if there's any football next season or what our offense is gonna look like. What kind of a moronic thing to say if you look at our offense now. How could you say it's gonna be top notch next season. I guess Cam took out all the plays that could work for us and guarantee us lots of yards out of his playbook so that he could surprise every defense out there next season. Ugh.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1295355231' post='614768']
Maybe some of the same adjustments the Steelers made during HT when they were down 21-7 and turned the ball over multiple times? If they used the same logic you're using they would have quit during HT. Those Run - Run - Dumpoff to Rice - Punt series won't get us to the superbowl, I'll guarantee you that much.
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What are you talking about? What kind of adjustments did the Steelers really make? The Ravens offense did nothing in the first half and only put up points because of short fields. They were able to survive because the D played lights out.

[b]Ryan Clark punching the ball out Rice's arm, Joe throwing a horrific pick and Birk snapping the ball into himself aren't Steeler adjustments[/b]. They were Ravens miscues.

There were no "run - run - dump-off to Rice" drives in that second half dude.

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1295356123' post='614783']
You're still obsessed with the turnovers. They happen, get over it. We're talking about the playcalling, about Cam's inablity to stop being vanilla on offense. His inability to be creative, to get the ball to Boldin who according to Cameron is getting quadruple-teamed on ever single play. It's not Cam's inability to be creative, it's always how great the defenses are. No matter how bad they actually are, Cam always finds a way to praise defenses for his inability to be a decent coordinator.

If Boldin is getting covered by 10 guys you get the ball to Heap or Mason. We don't do that. That's the problem. We did that during the Chiefs game, but that's about it. It should be that way every single game. Your excuses are your own, Cam. We don't need to hear about how defenses are playing lights out every time they play us, when in reality you're just not good enough to make plays against them.

Can't even get Stallworth involved. Talk about Ravens needs a speedy playmaker at the WR position and yet we do have that guy on our team. We don't use him because Cam can't figure it out. We have the QB with the biggest arm in football and one of the fastest receivers in the game. And a coordinator that doesn't know how to get him the ball. Instead he comes up with these lame end arounds. And then you look at all the other boneheaded decisions this guy makes. Moving Oher to LT when he clearly gets shredded by every decent pass rushing DE. Turn Flacco into a robot by not giving him any power to control this offense or make any adjustments. If he sees Polamalu blitzing and Cam hasn't lined up anybody to block him then he's gonna come through unblocked. Cam could be a pretty successful pee wee football coach. As a coordinator in the NFL he's a joke. He makes Cavanaugh look like Bill Walsh.

And now I'm hearing Harbaugh talk about how this offense will be top notch next season...based on absolutely nothing. Why would he even say that? We don't even know if there's any football next season or what our offense is gonna look like. What kind of a moronic thing to say if you look at our offense now. How could you say it's gonna be top notch next season. I guess Cam took out all the plays that could work for us and guarantee us lots of yards out of his playbook so that he could surprise every defense out there next season. Ugh.
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Why should I get over the turnovers? They killed the team! Yes, turnovers are a part of the game but how many team's in the league this season do you think did it on [b]THREE CONSECUTIVE DRIVES[/b]? I'd venture to say only the worst offenses did.

I am FULLY aware of all the issues in Cam's play-calling. Not getting Q involved correctly, not getting Stallworth involved at all, not getting Dickson involved at least once a game are all issues I've talked about repeatedly this season.

Do you really think it was Cam's sole decision to move Oher to LT? You really have no idea so assuming that was the case is foolhardy.

What, should Harbaugh have said the offense won't improve a lick next season? He feels the offense will be top notch next season. [b]HE WANTS THE OFFENSE TO BE HIGH-FLYING NEXT SEASON[/b]. It's hilarious you rip him for being optimistic when some people believed he doesn't care.

Criticizing Cam for his play-calling is obvious but to criticizing John for comments in a presser is really pointless.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1295318111' post='614264']
Attack the middle of the field, don't run draw plays on 3rd and long, dont play prevent defense. Turnovers are hard to overcome. The interception is Flacco and Cams fault. That ball shouldn't of been thrown. Rice never fumbles, he did that time, I was mad but like I said, the guy never fumbles. The Birk one killed me. This guy has been doing this for years and he hikes the ball straight into his taint.....ugh.

Like I said, the adjustments aren't only about this game. Its about every game this year.
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There's literally no 'adjustments' in that whole paragraph besides attacking the middle of the field, which is generic.

It's easy to say "don't do this, don't do that" after a game is done, hindsight.

[berad]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1295367180' post='615081']
There's literally no 'adjustments' in that whole paragraph besides attacking the middle of the field, which is generic.

It's easy to say "don't do this, don't do that" after a game is done, hindsight.
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Hindsight is always 20/20. If the play works, you're a genius; if not, you're a bum. Brian Billick said that all the time, still rings true.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018']
What are you talking about? What kind of adjustments did the Steelers really make? The Ravens offense did nothing in the first half and only put up points because of short fields. They were able to survive because the D played lights out.

[b]Ryan Clark punching the ball out Rice's arm, Joe throwing a horrific pick and Birk snapping the ball into himself aren't Steeler adjustments[/b]. They were Ravens miscues.

There were no "run - run - dump-off to Rice" drives in that second half dude.



Why should I get over the turnovers? They killed the team! Yes, turnovers are a part of the game but how many team's in the league this season do you think did it on [b]THREE CONSECUTIVE DRIVES[/b]? I'd venture to say only the worst offenses did.

I am FULLY aware of all the issues in Cam's play-calling. Not getting Q involved correctly, not getting Stallworth involved at all, not getting Dickson involved at least once a game are all issues I've talked about repeatedly this season.

Do you really think it was Cam's sole decision to move Oher to LT? You really have no idea so assuming that was the case is foolhardy.

What, should Harbaugh have said the offense won't improve a lick next season? He feels the offense will be top notch next season. [b]HE WANTS THE OFFENSE TO BE HIGH-FLYING NEXT SEASON[/b]. It's hilarious you rip him for being optimistic when some people believed he doesn't care.

Criticizing Cam for his play-calling is obvious but to criticizing John for comments in a presser is really pointless.
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Not only was it 3 drives, but they showed a horrifying statistic in the 3rd quarter. I believe it stated that in 8 plays, we turned the ball over 3 times, were sacked twice, and threw 3 incompletions.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1295369042' post='615164']
Not only was it 3 drives, but they showed a horrifying statistic in the 3rd quarter. I believe it stated that in 8 plays, we turned the ball over 3 times, were sacked twice, and threw 3 incompletions.
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Exactly. Now, maybe Cam's play-calling could be somewhat liable in the sacks and incompletions but the players were the ones screwing up.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295369510' post='615190']
Exactly. Now, maybe Cam's play-calling could be somewhat liable in the sacks and incompletions but the players were the ones screwing up.
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Weird how that makes so much sense....the players play

[Jen13]

I agree. I really like Harbaugh and i think this shows how much he genuinely cares about his players.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018']
What are you talking about? What kind of adjustments did the Steelers really make? The Ravens offense did nothing in the first half and only put up points because of short fields. They were able to survive because the D played lights out.[/quote]
Did you watch the game? I'm pretty sure Rice's rushing touchdown and Heap catching a TD pass are considered offensive touchdowns. How is that "nothing" against an elite defense? Our defense had absolutely nothing to do with it. And even if you're right, how don't you blame Cam for not being able to move the ball? Oh right, the defenses we play always play lights out. It's not like our offense is just terrible.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018'][b]Ryan Clark punching the ball out Rice's arm, Joe throwing a horrific pick and Birk snapping the ball into himself aren't Steeler adjustments[/b]. They were Ravens miscues. [/quote]
You keep ignoring the entire game. All you look at is a fumble or an interception. I'm pretty sure we all realize that Rice fumbling has nothing to do with Cameron. Rice fumbled once in 401 attempts or touches. Flacco had the best QB rating of all QB's from week 3-17 I believe. Now you tell me why this team still lost games. We virtually had zero turnovers. Did we lose because of Goldman Sachs? The weather? Or does it have MAYBE something (just a little bit) to do with Cameron just being an awful coordinator who doesn't understand what adjusting or being consistent is all about as far as calling plays and handling defenses.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018']There were no "run - run - dump-off to Rice" drives in that second half dude.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure the vanilla drive where Rice fumbled started out that way. Flacco got sacked, then we run the ball, then we dump it off to Rice and he fumbles. But hey, Cam didn't fumble, right?

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018']Why should I get over the turnovers? They killed the team! Yes, turnovers are a part of the game but how many team's in the league this season do you think did it on [b]THREE CONSECUTIVE DRIVES[/b]? I'd venture to say only the worst offenses did. [/quote]
They didn't kill this team, that's what you don't understand. The turnovers didn't kill the Steelers. And we still lose games without turning the ball over, so that's not an excuse. It's us being absolutely pathetic on offense, that's what kills us. Not being creative, dialing up the same lame plays over and over again that every DC sees coming from a mile. That's why we lose. Because when we turn the ball over it's already a wrap. We can't win. Why? Because Cam can't figure out how to get this offense going, how to make use of all the weapons we have. And the few good things that we have going (moving Gaither to RT, having Stallworth on the roster, Boldin etc.) he actually messes up. He's like virus. Any 10 year old could figure out a way to get the ball to Stallworth, on a flea flicker, play action whatever. Any 10 year old could figure out a way to get the ball to Boldin. Line up 2 receivers on one side and Boldin and Heap on the other, and then tell me again that teams are double teaming Boldin. All that crap. But Cam can't figure it out. And it's hilarious how you continue to put all the blame on the players for turning the ball over, something that happens to everybody all the time. You can't stop that. But you CAN stop being a terrible coordinator. You just bring in somebody that knows what he's doing. Cameron wasn't that horrible in his first year. He was actually somewhat creative. Remember the wildcat? Remember Troy & Flacco lining up at WR? Remember the flea flickers? The bombs to Clayton? If he actually goes back to that I wouldn't mind him that bad, but right now I think having a monkey on the sideline that just dials up any plays would have a better shot at putting points on the board because he would actually dial up some plays that defenses don't expect. Not the same lame end arounds when Stallworth enters the field. Stallworth even jokes about it.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018']I am FULLY aware of all the issues in Cam's play-calling. Not getting Q involved correctly, not getting Stallworth involved at all, not getting Dickson involved at least once a game are all issues I've talked about repeatedly this season. [/quote]
Yet you keep defending him, like fumbling or throwing interceptions has been such a big deal this past season. It rarely happened, I pointed that out earlier. Were you happy with those performances on offense when we didn't turn the ball over?

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018']Do you really think it was Cam's sole decision to move Oher to LT? You really have no idea so assuming that was the case is foolhardy. [/quote]
Well of course it's his decision. Who else would makes that decision? Cam is the guy that talks about lineup changes, and what he sees in those guys, who plays what position better than the next guy and so on. He's the one in charge.

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295365960' post='615018']What, should Harbaugh have said the offense won't improve a lick next season? He feels the offense will be top notch next season. [b]HE WANTS THE OFFENSE TO BE HIGH-FLYING NEXT SEASON[/b]. It's hilarious you rip him for being optimistic when some people believed he doesn't care.

Criticizing Cam for his play-calling is obvious but to criticizing John for comments in a presser is really pointless.[/quote]
So you actually believe this offense is gonna be top notch, a la New Orleans or New England next season? Do you mind telling us what exactly makes you think that? Housh will be gone. McClain and McGahee are goners. Stallworth could be gone (actually he never really arrived). Gaither could be gone. Birk could be gone. Mason could be gone. The only guy that's gonna be back is Cameron. How hilarious is that. Why can't he leave and everybody else returns. That would help us. That would make me say that this offense is gonna be top notch next season. But not with some of the key guys leaving and Cam actually returning. Right now there's nothing you can point towards and say you know what, because of this or that I think this offense is gonna be better than last season (forget about being top notch, that's just silly kool aid stuff to get the fans that don't know beter excited).

And now Harbaugh once again makes these comments that just drives you nuts. Oher will likely stay at LT because he's just that good, he has all the tools. I don't know what tools Harbaugh is talking about. Last time I checked Oher doesn't look any better than Orlando Brown in pass protection, he's getting shredded out there. Then Gaither shows up, losing all that weight. And what do these geniuses do, they move him to RT. What's going on here? Where's Ashton Cutcher. This is like a Punk'd episode that's been lasting 2 years now. Come out already, I want this to end.

[Steelpride]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1295367180' post='615081']
There's literally no 'adjustments' in that whole paragraph besides attacking the middle of the field, which is generic.

It's easy to say "don't do this, don't do that" after a game is done, hindsight.
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Troy did not play well, but attacking the middle of the field is a bad idea when he is playing.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1295384401' post='615732']
Did you watch the game? I'm pretty sure Rice's rushing touchdown and Heap catching a TD pass are considered offensive touchdowns. How is that "nothing" against an elite defense? Our defense had absolutely nothing to do with it. And even if you're right, how don't you blame Cam for not being able to move the ball? Oh right, the defenses we play always play lights out. It's not like our offense is just terrible.

[b]They did nothing in terms being able to move the football consistently down the field. They put together one quality drive. The D had nothing to do with it? So wait, scoring a defensive touchdown and forcing a turnover that the Steelers 16-yard line had nothing to do with it? Wow...[/b]

You keep ignoring the entire game. All you look at is a fumble or an interception. I'm pretty sure we all realize that Rice fumbling has nothing to do with Cameron. Rice fumbled once in 401 attempts or touches. Flacco had the best QB rating of all QB's from week 3-17 I believe. Now you tell me why this team still lost games. We virtually had zero turnovers. Did we lose because of Goldman Sachs? The weather? Or does it have MAYBE something (just a little bit) to do with Cameron just being an awful coordinator who doesn't understand what adjusting or being consistent is all about as far as calling plays and handling defenses.

[b]Flacco's QB ratings means squat. He was efficient in critical situations but had moments where he didn't come through. The o-line gave up over 40 sacks during the season and 9 more in the play-offs. The WR weren't able to separate against good CBs. You say, I "keep ignoring the entire game". Why are you ignoring the o-line's poor play, the inability to run the ball all season and the WRs having flaws? Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I'VE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED I DON'T THINK CAM IS A GOOD OC MANY TIMES?[/b]

I'm pretty sure the vanilla drive where Rice fumbled started out that way. Flacco got sacked, then we run the ball, then we dump it off to Rice and he fumbles. But hey, Cam didn't fumble, right?

[b]That still disproves what to said about "run-run-dump-off" drives. If I remember correctly, the sack Joe took on the that "drive" came after he stood in the pocket even though Harrison was beating McGahee right behind him. I don't know what routes where called but I'm sure Joe could have gone out of the pocket and at least got rid of the football.[/b]

They didn't kill this team, that's what you don't understand. The turnovers didn't kill the Steelers. And we still lose games without turning the ball over, so that's not an excuse. It's us being absolutely pathetic on offense, that's what kills us. Not being creative, dialing up the same lame plays over and over again that every DC sees coming from a mile. That's why we lose. Because when we turn the ball over it's already a wrap. We can't win. Why? Because Cam can't figure out how to get this offense going, how to make use of all the weapons we have. And the few good things that we have going (moving Gaither to RT, having Stallworth on the roster, Boldin etc.) he actually messes up. He's like virus. Any 10 year old could figure out a way to get the ball to Stallworth, on a flea flicker, play action whatever. Any 10 year old could figure out a way to get the ball to Boldin. Line up 2 receivers on one side and Boldin and Heap on the other, and then tell me again that teams are double teaming Boldin. All that crap. But Cam can't figure it out. And it's hilarious how you continue to put all the blame on the players for turning the ball over, something that happens to everybody all the time. You can't stop that. But you CAN stop being a terrible coordinator. You just bring in somebody that knows what he's doing. Cameron wasn't that horrible in his first year. He was actually somewhat creative. Remember the wildcat? Remember Troy & Flacco lining up at WR? Remember the flea flickers? The bombs to Clayton? If he actually goes back to that I wouldn't mind him that bad, but right now I think having a monkey on the sideline that just dials up any plays would have a better shot at putting points on the board because he would actually dial up some plays that defenses don't expect. Not the same lame end arounds when Stallworth enters the field. Stallworth even jokes about it.

[b]I HAVE NOT PUT ALL THE BLAME ON THE PLAYERS!! I HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT TO ME, THE BIGGEST PLAYS THAT HURT THE RAVENS CAME OFF THE TURNOVERS AND PLAYER MISCUES BUT I HAVE REPEATEDLY ACKNOWLEDGED CAM HAS NUMEROUS FAULTS AS WELL.

Have you paid attention to the topics discussing him? I don't think you have because if you did, you'd see a post by me in at least one of them where I called out something Cam. Hell, several weeks ago, I made a joke topic on the dumb plays Cam has called this season.

Yes, I remember the Wildcat. I'm not sure if you do though because I remember the Wildcat doing next to nothing for this team. And I certainly don't remember Cam ever breaking it out against a good team because *gasp* IT WOULDN'T WORK. I remember two flea-flickers this season. I don't know why he didn't call one against the Steelers but Cam goes into a shell against good defenses so that didn't surprise me. [/b]

Yet you keep defending him, like fumbling or throwing interceptions has been such a big deal this past season. It rarely happened, I pointed that out earlier. Were you happy with those performances on offense when we didn't turn the ball over?

[b]Me bringing up the issues of the players isn't defending him. You feel that way because seemingly to you, a person either believes Cam is completely to blame or feels the opposite. Has it occurred to you it could be one big combination of reason the offense struggled this season? Do you really believe one man's incompetence could sabotage a team? Are you so blinded by love for the players you won't acknowledge they aren't perfect?

Turnovers haven't been a huge issue this season but opening holes in the run game and pass protection have. The QB not scanning the field quickly, holding the ball, noticing open WRs and making big plays in the second half of games have been issues. The WRs gaining separation against good DBs have also hurt.
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Well of course it's his decision. Who else would makes that decision? Cam is the guy that talks about lineup changes, and what he sees in those guys, who plays what position better than the next guy and so on. He's the one in charge.

[b]No, it's not his decision. The coaches came to a consensus on it. You really think Cam just stuck the depth chart on a bulletin board one day with Oher at LT one day and no said a thing? That's why you have positional coaches, coordinators and head coaches. [/b]

So you actually believe this offense is gonna be top notch, a la New Orleans or New England next season? Do you mind telling us what exactly makes you think that? Housh will be gone. McClain and McGahee are goners. Stallworth could be gone (actually he never really arrived). Gaither could be gone. Birk could be gone. Mason could be gone. The only guy that's gonna be back is Cameron. How hilarious is that. Why can't he leave and everybody else returns. That would help us. That would make me say that this offense is gonna be top notch next season. But not with some of the key guys leaving and Cam actually returning. Right now there's nothing you can point towards and say you know what, because of this or that I think this offense is gonna be better than last season (forget about being top notch, that's just silly kool aid stuff to get the fans that don't know beter excited).

And now Harbaugh once again makes these comments that just drives you nuts. Oher will likely stay at LT because he's just that good, he has all the tools. I don't know what tools Harbaugh is talking about. Last time I checked Oher doesn't look any better than Orlando Brown in pass protection, he's getting shredded out there. Then Gaither shows up, losing all that weight. And what do these geniuses do, they move him to RT. What's going on here? Where's Ashton Cutcher. This is like a Punk'd episode that's been lasting 2 years now. Come out already, I want this to end.

[b]Seeing as you work at The Castle now, why are you hanging around this forum? You obviously know who'll be back and who won't. Wait, you don't. You have no idea who'll return and who won't.

I think this offense can be high-flying, maybe not to the degree of New Orleans or the Pats but good enough to beat good defenses but we'll have to wait and see.

Gaither had no reason to lose weight and considering his contract demands in the off-season, the team probably wasn't sure if they could rely on him and so made the switch.

Just because Harbaugh said Oher has the tools to be a LT doesn't mean he'll stay there. It's really sad you've bought everything from the presser hook line and sinker like it's gospel. Really sad...[/b]
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