John Harbaugh Contract Extension

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295290750' post='612967']
What Pro Bowl PLAYERS want out? McClain is the only one and considering he made the Pro Bowl in '08 because he played RB and did it this season on reputation alone, the sky isn't crumbling as you're implying.

It wasn't Cam's fault the players choked in the third quarter.

It won't be hard to replace Birk.

How do you know Ed is gone?

Ray has been getting older for a while now but he's still better than most starting ILBs in the league.

Again, Le'Ron is no big-time difference-maker.

Joe [i]has[/i] been a big part of winning big games. Pretending he hasn't after Saturday's lost is being dishonest.

The WR can be upgraded can't it or is that impossible?

Doesn't Gaither count as a true LT?

Go ahead and be a pessimist man. Better yet, why don't you jump ship and become a fan of the Jets? Me, I look at this team and even with all the questions, I still see a team that will be competitive and Super Bowl contenders.
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First off..Im a BALTIMORE fan!! That will never ever change!! But I speak reality!! Your responses sound like your John Harbs son...go ahead and stick your head in the sand and pretend evrything is ok...

1. You really think ed is back? I say NO WAY! It was all he could do to get on the field this year..I love the guy, just think he is hurtin worse than we know

2.Wasnt Cams fault? Really? Our Offense ranked 22nd in the NFL..whos fault is that? I say O-cooridator..but be my guest to give me answers

3.Replacing Birk isnt as easy as you think...and if we dont sign a center, thats another draft pick we have to spend on getting one..losing Birk isnt as simple as u think

4.Ray is getting slower every year too...How many times can he be the leader on Defense and watch a passive offense give away the game...did you hear him after the loss?

5.Leron isnt a difference maker? Really? I think hes one helluva back. I think he should have run the ball more this year too...not like Ray tore it up..we were mid pack in rushing this season as well..McClain is a weapon that Cam doesnt know how to use..disgrace

6.Joe still hasnt been a difference maker in the big(playoff) games!! Dont count last week bcuz the defense gave hin the ball on their 20 all day!! You cant fumble a snap!! You cant lob a pass up to get picked off! You see Ben do that? Ben was sacked more times sat night too..no excuse

7. Gaither??? Do I really even need to say anything about this lazy turd? Really? He will be lucky to start again..the guy has issues..always has..always will

8. WRS- We upgraded this past offseason didnt we? 20th in passing this year?

Wake up...Sat loss is gonna haunt us for a while!! And ill love on Rex all I want..hes the last real coach we had in Baltimore

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Keep Harbs, get rid of Cam. Tell next OC to utilize ALL the weapons we have better!

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[quote name='Irish Girl' timestamp='1295291926' post='613030']
Rex should be here? Did you see how rude he was to Tom Brady during an interview? I mean, I don't like Brady, but you've gotta learn when to just stop talking. He went on and on about his rivalry with Brady and how it's "personal". Do you really want that kind of person representing the Ravens? I don't.
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ARE YOU SERIOUS???? I could give a Rats behind about what he says about Brady!! Bottom line is his team backs him up!! He coaches football the way it should be coached!!! Hes gonna try to run it down your throat!! Which is why they were 4th in rushing...meanwhile we are over here running plays with Cam Cameron, who couldnt get the Dolphins to 3 wins!! Thats the Dam difference! We were 22nd in offense..even the Jets were 11th..and Rex is a defensive minded coach! Until we man up, and run the damn football, we will continue to under achieve...and losing McClain is not gonna help

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1295292842' post='613072']
That's why I said that the team never should've put itself in those positions to begin with. However, it's still an improvement, because the predominant theme in 2009 was the inability to finish close games. In 2010, the team was able to take that next step and win those close ones, but never should've put itself in those positions to even need to win them.
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Your right. I read the whole thing, but was too quick to lock in my thoughts when I saw the 4th quarter statement to fully take in the rest.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295292763' post='613068']
Um, Terrell Suggs is that guy. He constantly talks trash about Tom Brady even when the Ravens aren't facing him. He has a vendetta against Brady.
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Suggs isn't the face of the Ravens. That is a big difference. Suggs has even mentioned he really doesn't have anything personal about these people (Brady, Steelers), he is doing it for the fans.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1295293713' post='613122']
Keep Harbs, get rid of Cam. Tell next OC to utilize ALL the weapons we have better!
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If Harbs couldn't/didn't make Cam utilize all the weapons this year, why would another OC be different?
I want cam gone too, I'm just curious.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='rooster12' timestamp='1295292993' post='613084']
First off..Im a BALTIMORE fan!! That will never ever change!! But I speak reality!! Your responses sound like your John Harbs son...go ahead and stick your head in the sand and pretend evrything is ok...

1. You really think ed is back? I say NO WAY! It was all he could do to get on the field this year..I love the guy, just think he is hurtin worse than we know

2.Wasnt Cams fault? Really? Our Offense ranked 22nd in the NFL..whos fault is that? I say O-cooridator..but be my guest to give me answers

3.Replacing Birk isnt as easy as you think...and if we dont sign a center, thats another draft pick we have to spend on getting one..losing Birk isnt as simple as u think

4.Ray is getting slower every year too...How many times can he be the leader on Defense and watch a passive offense give away the game...did you hear him after the loss?

5.Leron isnt a difference maker? Really? I think hes one helluva back. I think he should have run the ball more this year too...not like Ray tore it up..we were mid pack in rushing this season as well..McClain is a weapon that Cam doesnt know how to use..disgrace

6.Joe still hasnt been a difference maker in the big(playoff) games!! Dont count last week bcuz the defense gave hin the ball on their 20 all day!! You cant fumble a snap!! You cant lob a pass up to get picked off! You see Ben do that? Ben was sacked more times sat night too..no excuse

7. Gaither??? Do I really even need to say anything about this lazy turd? Really? He will be lucky to start again..the guy has issues..always has..always will

8. WRS- We upgraded this past offseason didnt we? 20th in passing this year?

Wake up...Sat loss is gonna haunt us for a while!! And ill love on Rex all I want..hes the last real coach we had in Baltimore
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I've never pretended everything is okay but I don't feel it's as doom and gloom as you do.

You still have no clue whether Ed will return or not. You can speculate but you don't know.

I clearly wrote, "[b]It wan't Cam's fault the players choked in the third quarter.[/b]" That statement can't be argued sir. When a RB fumbles, a QB throws a terrible pick, a center snaps the ball into his own butt and D gives up touchdowns on all three turnovers, [b]you can't put that all one person[/b].

The offense's ranking can't be put solely on Cam either. He certainly had a hand in the offense's stagnation but when you can barely run the football, WRs struggle to get separation and the QB has numerous holes in his game, it's going to be very difficult to field a top-notch offense.

So you think McClain would have got more yardage than Rice? Running where? Into the backs of Birk and Chester? Please. He's a good runner for someone his size, a good run blocker and pass blocker but again, no different-maker.

You not counting the game against the Chiefs as a time Joe made an impact is just gross biasness. Anyone who watched that game knows Joe was the main reason the Ravens offense put up points.

Call Gaither what you want. You don't know whether he'll be back.

Did you see those WRs that were supposed to be major upgrades consistently separating from DBs this year? Or better yet, did you see those make big catches Saturday night?

Love on your hero all you want dude. He's not the last real coach the Ravens had. Your blind love for him is pathetic.

[True]

[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295294603' post='613149']
Suggs isn't the face of the Ravens. That is a big difference. Suggs has even mentioned he really doesn't have anything personal about these people (Brady, Steelers), he is doing it for the fans.
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What's the difference? His comments still are out there and are negatively perceived even if said in jest. Isn't Rex doing what he said for Jets fan as well? When a Raven player does something similar, it's like a double standard.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295294915' post='613164']
What's the difference? His comments still are out there and are negatively perceived even if said in jest. Isn't Rex doing what he said for Jets fan as well? When a Raven player does something similar, it's like a double standard.
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Rex is the "adult" version of the face of the Jet's, so act like it.
So in your book Suggs=Rex in the media, and representation of a team?

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[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295294781' post='613157']
If Harbs couldn't/didn't make Cam utilize all the weapons this year, why would another OC be different?
I want cam gone too, I'm just curious.
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Another OC wouldn't have to be told to utilize the weapons more/better.

5 end arounds and two catches for the team's fastest WR is lunacy. Two pick plays the entire season is moronic. Back-to-back fades inside the 5-yard line is dumb. Barely any screens or slant is senseless. The guy doesn't know what he's doing.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1295291661' post='613019']
If you don't look back now and then you don't learn from your mistakes. Isn't this why teams watch films of games played?
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Yep because fans have say into gameplans or front office decisions. We are fans, not decision makers.

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[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295295126' post='613173']
Rex is the "adult" version of the face of the Jet's, so act like it.
So in your book Suggs=Rex in the media, and representation of a team?
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They both represent their organizations when they speak as long as they play/coach for them. The media takes both of their comments, Ryans comments are just more out there because he is in a bigger market.

Just because one has more exposure doesn't take away from the comments made at hand. Both have said something "negative" about Tom Brady. The poster I replied to said they had not seen a Ravens player go after him, I pointed out on the other hand. Suggs making comments about Brady doesn't take any weight away from what he said just because he has a lesser role as viewed by the media.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295295158' post='613174']
Another OC wouldn't have to be told to utilize the weapons more/better.

5 end arounds and two catches for the team's fastest WR is lunacy. Two pick plays the entire season is moronic. Back-to-back fades inside the 5-yard line is dumb. Barely any screens or slant is senseless. The guy doesn't know what he's doing.
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I kept hoping that after 5 end arounds, he was setting up some kind of surprise play. Nope, I gave him too much credit.

Did Harbs have the power to tell Cam to utilize the weapons and Cam didn't? Or did Harbs let Cam do as he wanted? Not trying to argue any point, these are just questions.

Just like a player, I think a coach learns and grows. It seems Harbough needs to as well, and I believe he has great potential.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295295402' post='613191']
They both represent their organizations when they speak as long as they play/coach for them. The media takes both of their comments, Ryans comments are just more out there because he is in a bigger market.

Just because one has more exposure doesn't take away from the comments made at hand. Both have said something "negative" about Tom Brady. The poster I replied to said they had not seen a Ravens player go after him, I pointed out on the other hand. Suggs making comments about Brady doesn't take any weight away from what he said just because he has a lesser role as viewed by the media.
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I guess we'll have to disagree.
Suggs has a lesser Role period, media or other wise.
I could deal with an unruly brother, but not an embarrassing dad.

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[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295295529' post='613197']
I kept hoping that after 5 end arounds, he was setting up some kind of surprise play. Nope, I gave him too much credit.

Did Harbs have the power to tell Cam to utilize the weapons and Cam didn't? Or did Harbs let Cam do as he wanted? Not trying to argue any point, these are just questions.

Just like a player, I think a coach learns and grows. It seems Harbough needs to as well, and I believe he has great potential.
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No disrespect intended but I laughed at people who thought Cam was planning something big with the end arounds.The guy created some really imaginative plays this season but showed zero creativity in some many others areas.

From what I've heard, Cam had a lot of control over the offense. Harbaugh should have intervened regarding some things Cam did during games but in terms of offensive game-planning, it appears Cam was the guy doing it.

Agreed about John.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295296408' post='613242']
No disrespect intended but I laughed at people who thought Cam was planning something big with the end arounds.The guy created some really imaginative plays this season but showed zero creativity in some many others areas.
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*raises hands*, I thought something was coming. I was Cam'ed again!

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295296408' post='613242']
[b]No disrespect intended but I laughed at people who thought Cam was planning something big with the end arounds.[/b]
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No disrespect felt. It was more of a knowingly, foolish hope that Cam couldn't be as bad as he seemed. I mean who would use the same player for nothing but an end around 5 times and nothing else? Who, besides Cam, and WHY?

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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1295296553' post='613249']
*raises hands*, I thought something was coming. I was Cam'ed again!
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Are "Cam'ed" and "fooled" synonymous?

[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295296885' post='613265']
No disrespect felt. It was more of a knowingly, foolish hope that Cam couldn't be as bad as he seemed. I mean who would use the same player for nothing but an end around 5 times and nothing else? Who, besides Cam, and WHY?
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Because there are no other ways to get a guy with speed involved. Oh, wait...

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[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295294781' post='613157']
If Harbs couldn't/didn't make Cam utilize all the weapons this year, why would another OC be different?
I want cam gone too, I'm just curious.
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ER20 said a lot already, you did see the KC game, yeah? Did you see us use the middle of the field more, especially to Heap? Where was that Saturday, or all year?. Boldin has made a living across the middle, yet he may as well be invisible to Cam. Thats just for starters, the thing that drives me crazy, is when things work, we get away from that , like we're saving them for later. We just ran out of time this season, and hopefully for another year of Cam's offense.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295297261' post='613287']
Are "Cam'ed" and "fooled" synonymous?



Because there are no other ways to get a guy with speed involved. Oh, wait...
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lol...sarcasm will get you everywhere......Cam's offense----------->

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

was supposed to be this..........

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295295158' post='613174']
Another OC wouldn't have to be told to utilize the weapons more/better.

5 end arounds and two catches for the team's fastest WR is lunacy. Two pick plays the entire season is moronic. Back-to-back fades inside the 5-yard line is dumb. Barely any screens or slant is senseless. The guy doesn't know what he's doing.
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Your confusing me..you dont like Cam? Or you do like Cam? If he doesnt know what hes doing then the head coach needs to man up and get someone who does. Bottom line..

REX= We are gonna try to run it down your throat!
Ravens= No Identity what so ever!!

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[quote name='rooster12' timestamp='1295299277' post='613419']
Your confusing me..you dont like Cam? Or you do like Cam? If he doesnt know what hes doing then the head coach needs to man up and get someone who does. Bottom line..

REX= We are gonna try to run it down your throat!
Ravens= No Identity what so ever!!
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How am I confusing you? Read any topic here, ask any frequent poster and you'll see I'm not a Cam fan. READ MY POST!! What about it suggests I'm a fan of him?

For the millionth time, the head coach doesn't make personnel decisions by himself. Saying he should "man up and get someone who does" is foolish.

Rex doesn't call offensive plays but regardless, he actually [b]HAS AN O-LINE THAT CAN RUN IT DOWN OPPOSING TEAMS' THROATS!![/b]

[b]Identities are overrated[/b]. The Ravens proved at times during the season, they could win games different ways. Most of the time though, it wasn't by pounding the rock successfully because the line rarely opened holes and the RBs didn't always find the holes.

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I hope it's not more than 2 or 3 years... He hasn't really earned longer than that and I don't want another Billick situation. Let's be real, Harbs hasn't won anything yet, not even a division title, and to go longer than 3 years seems ill-advised at this point, especially if he keeps Cameron on the staff.

[Irish Girl]

[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295292454' post='613055']
I'm with you. I'm sure a lot of people would argue that we wouldn't mind it if he won a superbowl, but I think he is too embarrassing. No dignity there.
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Every time he's on SoundFX, I only hear him cussing out the other team and complaining about his dinner last night. I wouldn't want him on the Ravens sideline. He [i]is[/i] too embarassing.

[Irish Girl]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1295292449' post='613053']
Rex's lack of "social graces" is probably what prevented him from getting the Raven's HC job, despite his knowledge. I don't mind a HC who is a little rough around the edges, but Rex is more than a little rough.
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He is, you don't want a HC that only cusses out and complains about the other team.

[Irish Girl]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295292763' post='613068']
Um, Terrell Suggs is that guy. He constantly talks trash about Tom Brady even when the Ravens aren't facing him. He has a vendetta against Brady.
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No, he doesn't. The whole thing with him and Brady was a joke. Did you not read the other forum. He said it was a "fib" and he "really did vote for Brady for ProBowl"

[Irish Girl]

[quote name='rooster12' timestamp='1295293742' post='613124']
ARE YOU SERIOUS???? I could give a Rats behind about what he says about Brady!! Bottom line is his team backs him up!! He coaches football the way it should be coached!!! Hes gonna try to run it down your throat!! Which is why they were 4th in rushing...meanwhile we are over here running plays with Cam Cameron, who couldnt get the Dolphins to 3 wins!! Thats the Dam difference! We were 22nd in offense..even the Jets were 11th..and Rex is a defensive minded coach! Until we man up, and run the damn football, we will continue to under achieve...and losing McClain is not gonna help
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His team backs him up? How come we beat his team? I'm not saying I want Cam Cameron to stay or McClain to leave, but have Rex Ryan's big mouth coaching? Heck no! (In my opinion)

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[quote name='Irish Girl' timestamp='1295303402' post='613630']
His team backs him up? How come we beat his team? I'm not saying I want Cam Cameron to stay or McClain to leave, but have Rex Ryan's big mouth coaching? Heck no! (In my opinion)
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We can argue over this all night..I love the guy and think he is one heck of a coach. And all the talk, well, it beats the cookie cutter PC answers we get from every other coach! Breath of fresh air to me...but thats just my opinion. Hes gone, and we must move on. I am very upset we will have cameron back, not excited about that at all.

[Irish Girl]

[quote name='rooster12' timestamp='1295304809' post='613709']
We can argue over this all night..I love the guy and think he is one heck of a coach. And all the talk, well, it beats the cookie cutter PC answers we get from every other coach! Breath of fresh air to me...but thats just my opinion. Hes gone, and we must move on. I am very upset we will have cameron back, not excited about that at all.
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Haha we could, and he is a good coach, just not someone to represent our team or organization. As for Cam Cameron...just leave already, Cam! I mean, he's not helping us, and people are talking about donating a [b]billboard[/b] to get rid of him!