Anyone Else Questioning The HC Choice

[usmccharles]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1295396335' post='616329']
oh no, i wasnt talking about you. i was talking about other people. i dont understand why people like Rex over John.
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Ah, got ya. I would rather have Rex's scheme yes, but Rex himself, hell no. John is a stand up guy

[JEEPercreepermd]

Harbaugh has completely changed the culture of the Ravens team. I think that he wound up being the perfect choice as HC.

Overall he's 33-19 (including playoffs) for a .635 win percentage (don't hold me to that one..cecil county public schools grad here) But, overall not too shabby. At no point in his 3 seasons here has this team ever quit on him. He commands nothing but the best effort and conduct from his players and he gets it.

On the other hand, I WAS a Cam Cameron supporter but I AM starting to change my stance on that. With the Quarterback, Receivers and RB's that we have, there is no reason for this offense to be as vanilla and predictable as it has been. Now, execution DOES play a part in the problem but you do have to put your players in the best position to succeed.

[flynismo]

Week 1 is my answer.Dont get me wrong, I still have a lotta love for the fat man, but I prefer a stricter, professional approach in our leaders than 'one of the guys'.

[JohnJohnson]

At least Rex embraces his arrogance, in an almost humorous way. He's like a caricature of himself. Harbaugh has this false sense of classiness which he contradicts with his arrogant rhetoric. He says stupid things, he didn't have the control to stop Suggs from wearing that t-shirt, and Bart Scott probably wasn't lying when he said that other players besides Trevor Pryce would have loved to go play for Rex.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1295469054' post='617755']
Harbaugh has completely changed the culture of the Ravens team. I think that he wound up being the perfect choice as HC.

[b]Overall he's 33-19 (including playoffs) for a .635 win percentage (don't hold me to that one..cecil county public schools grad here) But, overall not too shabby. At no point in his 3 seasons here has this team ever quit on him. He commands nothing but the best effort and conduct from his players and he gets it.
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On the other hand, I WAS a Cam Cameron supporter but I AM starting to change my stance on that. With the Quarterback, Receivers and RB's that we have, there is no reason for this offense to be as vanilla and predictable as it has been. Now, execution DOES play a part in the problem but you do have to put your players in the best position to succeed.
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I've actually mentioned that before as well (Harbs' record). The guy's a winning head coach, not alot of teams can say they have a winning head coach. And I agree completely about him demanding and bringing out the best effort and conduct from the team.

[Jen13]

I like Harbaugh and i think he is a great coach!

[Bltravens]

We couldn't hire Rex, he failed the interview when Bisciotti asked him if the defense split off from the rest of the team and undermined what Billick was trying to do in 2007.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1295469391' post='617773']
At least Rex embraces his arrogance, in an almost humorous way. He's like a caricature of himself. Harbaugh has this false sense of classiness which he contradicts with his arrogant rhetoric. He says stupid things, he didn't have the control to stop Suggs from wearing that t-shirt, and Bart Scott probably wasn't lying when he said that other players besides Trevor Pryce would have loved to go play for Rex.
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You want to back up your statement about "arrogant rhetoric"? Harbaugh hardly says anything we don't already know. Maybe the only guy who says less is Bellichick.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1295469391' post='617773']
At least Rex embraces his arrogance, in an almost humorous way. He's like a caricature of himself. Harbaugh has this false sense of classiness which he contradicts with his arrogant rhetoric. He says stupid things, he didn't have the control to stop Suggs from wearing that t-shirt, and Bart Scott probably wasn't lying when he said that other players besides Trevor Pryce would have loved to go play for Rex.
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You want to back up your statement about "arrogant rhetoric"? Harbaugh hardly says anything we don't already know. Maybe the only guy who says less is Bellichick.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1295268446' post='612187']
3 years to the playoffs in a row!!!

enough said. it´s the player´s turn right now!!!
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Rex s is on his way of doing the same thing but he might win the SB, oh and he has gotten to the AFC Champ. 2 yrs in a row, REXs is a players coach, i personally like him. You never hear any of the Players from the Jetts talk bad about him.

[Ravens00]

I think John Harbaugh is a perfect fit for the Baltimore Ravens. He has rejuvenated this team with his leadership, confidence etc. And yes he has not gotten us to a Super Bowl yet but you cannot ask for more than to be "in the tournament each year" and he has done just that. Players seem to like him & respect him as a head coach. I think it was the right hire.

[PuRock]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1295472650' post='617890']
Rex s is on his way of doing the same thing but he might win the SB, oh and he has gotten to the AFC Champ. 2 yrs in a row, REXs is a players coach, i personally like him. [b]You never hear any of the Players from the Jetts talk bad about him.[/b]
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That's what a players coach does though. Ofcourse they aren't going to say anything bad about him, because the loonies are running the asylum.

Sure the Jets are winning, but they are 3 turnovers away from sitting at home as well. They have coaches tripping players, hitting on media personnel, cursing out other players on the podium, flying like airplanes and doing backflaps after wins.

But hey nodody says anything bad. Hell I wouldn't say anything about my employer if he lets me watch TV at my desk or hit on the office supply reps all the time.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1295472650' post='617890']
Rex s is on his way of doing the same thing but he might win the SB, oh and he has gotten to the AFC Champ. 2 yrs in a row, REXs is a players coach, i personally like him. You never hear any of the Players from the Jetts talk bad about him.
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So whats your point? The players like Rex?

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1295472309' post='617879']
You want to back up your statement about "arrogant rhetoric"? Harbaugh hardly says anything we don't already know. Maybe the only guy who says less is Bellichick.
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Ok. He said that we usually outplay the Steelers, despite our record against them. He said that we should get fans from other areas, including D.C. And his comment about being glad we broke Ben's nose.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1295475414' post='617965']
Ok. He said that we usually outplay the Steelers, despite our record against them. He said that we should get fans from other areas, including D.C. And his comment about being glad we broke Ben's nose.
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Harbaugh was kidding about Bens nose first of all, second of all if Rex says it then its deemed "tough" and people like it. Rex has gone off all year long about one thing or another. And in the last 2 years we've outplayed the Steelers, and they still find ways to win, thats to their credit, they have something we dont yet.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1295475414' post='617965']
Ok. He said that we usually outplay the Steelers, despite our record against them. He said that we should get fans from other areas, including D.C. And his comment about being glad we broke Ben's nose.
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He's not wrong in saying the Ravens usually outplay the Steelers. You can outplay a team for most of a game and still lose to them if a few plays go wrong enough.

Think back to the game in Pittsburgh in '09. Foxoworth gets a pick 6(which I swear I called even though no one was around to here it ) but a block in the back by Suggs brings it back. McGahee scores on a great run but that is called back by a needless and sensless holding penalty from Kelley Washington. And then Joe throws a perfect pass to a wide open Mason and he drops it. On top of that, Cousins' meltdown which led to penalties too the Ravens out of field goal position.

We all know the Ravens outplayed the Steelers for the most part in the game here in Baltimore this season but lost the game on two plays.

They outplayed the Steelers this past game too and then choked the lead away, choked again in an attempt to regain the lead, choked again when they had to stop them on 3rd and forever and choked a final time when they had to make a play to possibly extend the game.

As for his Ben comment, is that something you [i]really[/i] hold against him? People bang on John for supposedly not being honest. Any head coach would be happy if his defense broke the opposing team's QB's nose because that's an advantage. He was being candid.

[SouthernRaven]

We can always question what coulda been or what woulda happen "if" something were different. One of the main reasons I'm a die hard Ravens fan for life (besides being I live here) is that nobody on the coaching staff or the players for that matter use these terms. There's no "if" this had of happened or "if" this was different. There's no excuses, there is only we'll work harder to make it right. I've never seen a team so dedicated to their goal and the goals of their city and fans. Rex is all talk, his team has performed well this season yes. But they have done it with no class. As stated earlier in the post, "I'd rather lose with class, then win as an ***." Harbough and the coaching staff are all stand up class acts with a dedication to the team and this city like no other, and that goes for the players as well. Therefore I will show the same dedication and trust their decisions. Sure, we'll be upset from time to time and this last loss was huge. But I can be assured that this city and this team is going to do everything in their power to make sure it doesn't happen again. Can't wait to see our Ravens hand it to the Steelers (especially Ward) next season. GO RAVENS!!

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295475994' post='617978']
He's not wrong in saying the Ravens usually outplay the Steelers. You can outplay a team for most of a game and still lose to them if a few plays go wrong enough.

Think back to the game in Pittsburgh in '09. Foxoworth gets a pick 6(which I swear I called even though no one was around to here it ) but a block in the back by Suggs brings it back. McGahee scores on a great run but that is called back by a needless and sensless holding penalty from Kelley Washington. And then Joe throws a perfect pass to a wide open Mason and he drops it. On top of that, Cousins' meltdown which led to penalties too the Ravens out of field goal position.

We all know the Ravens outplayed the Steelers for the most part in the game here in Baltimore this season but lost the game on two plays.

They outplayed the Steelers this past game too and then choked the lead away, choked again in an attempt to regain the lead, choked again when they had to stop them on 3rd and forever and choked a final time when they had to make a play to possibly extend the game.

As for his Ben comment, is that something you [i]really[/i] hold against him? People bang on John for supposedly not being honest. Any head coach would be happy if his defense broke the opposing team's QB's nose because that's an advantage. He was being candid.
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I just get a sense of arrogance from him, and he was not somber enough after a crushing loss. Not choking away the game is part of playing well, so if you choke it away you didn't outplay anyone. Maybe you outplay someone once or twice and lose, but we do not outplay the Steelers most of the time. We turn it over at least once a game, and some of the mental lapses are unbelievable.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' timestamp='1295246021' post='612063']
I still prefer Harbaugh. The Jets are simply a team that utilise their talent better; as well as playing to their strengths. I largely blame Cam Cameron for this.
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Off topic, but it's funny how if you mention Cam Cameron negatively you get +reps no matter what lol

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1295482434' post='618101']
I just get a sense of arrogance from him, and he was not somber enough after a crushing loss. Not choking away the game is part of playing well, so if you choke it away you didn't outplay anyone. Maybe you outplay someone once or twice and lose, but we do not outplay the Steelers most of the time. We turn it over at least once a game, and some of the mental lapses are unbelievable.
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All NFL coaches are arrogant to some degree dude. You criticize Harbaugh for being arrogant but commend Belichick and Tomlin? I don't get that...

He was not "somber enough" for you talking into a microphone. How do you know he didn't shed some tears in a quiet moment by himself or when he couldn't sleep(like he admitted) and was watching film of the game?

I never said they outplayed the Steelers entirely. They [i]did[/i] outplay them in both games last season and in two games this season. You may disagree but I'm not going to delve heavily into that. In the games I mentioned, the biggest plays were again, player mistakes.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1295472947' post='617907']
So whats your point? The players like Rex?
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Whats my point? Put it this way if Rex was our coach do you honestly think Cam would still be here, maybe even during the mid season for that matter. Rex wants to win and listens to his players and staff. He s up front about the games he lost and wont say some b.s about having a great season and being happy for just making it to the play offs. I dont know about you, but if we make it to the play offs next yr, its superbowl or the season is a bust. I dont care if we go 16 - 0 or 18 - 0. If we dont win the Superbowl next yr, i wont be happy and a lot of people wont be either.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1295495464' post='618528']
Whats my point? [b]Put it this way if Rex was our coach do you honestly think Cam would still be here, maybe even during the mid season for that matter.[/b] Rex wants to win and listens to his players and staff. He s up front about the games he lost and wont say some b.s about having a great season and being happy for just making it to the play offs. I dont know about you, but if we make it to the play offs next yr, its superbowl or the season is a bust. I dont care if we go 16 - 0 or 18 - 0. If we dont win the Superbowl next yr, i wont be happy and a lot of people wont be either.
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[size="4"][b]Yes, because the New York Jets scored a grand total of 9 points in two consecutive games at one point during the season. They were also shut out too. Last time I checked, Brian Schottenheimer was not fired.[/b][/size]

Enough with the foolish Rex love!

[Roger Boothe]

Harbaugh is not a competent NFL head coach. We'd have been better off with Rex. We'd have been better off keeping Billick. We'd probably be better off with Rich Kotite.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Roger Boothe' timestamp='1296098591' post='625684']
Harbaugh is not a competent NFL head coach. We'd have been better off with Rex. We'd have been better off keeping Billick. We'd probably be better off with Rich Kotite.
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I'd say three straight playoff appearances equal competency.

[flygunit88]

i wanted rex from the start i knew what came with that and i wanted, feet and all...because when it comes down to it he has a much better football IQ than the current coach of the ravens...and i feel like in a few years baltimore ravens fans will be calling for his job...especially if the defense keeps declineing and the offense well you know...Why hire a special teams coach over a defensive minded coach, of a team that is built on defense...

[flygunit88]

rex wouldnt be putting up with the offense not able to win games i know that cam wouldnt be here either...

[TXRaven]

No we made the right choice for th Ravens. There are some things I would like to see changed. But I am more than happy with Harbs

[flynismo]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1295475414' post='617965']<br />Ok. He said that we usually outplay the Steelers, despite our record against them. He said that we should get fans from other areas, including D.C. And his comment about being glad we broke Ben's nose.<br />[/quote]


i'm not sure how any of that can be construed as arrogant.

[FerrariFan87]

I'm not questioning it, but if he doesn't deliver a Super Bowl soon, we may have to start looking in another direction.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flygunit88' timestamp='1296146305' post='625904']
rex wouldnt be putting up with the offense not able to win games i know that cam wouldnt be here either...
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You do know what happened with the Jets offense this year right? They lost a game 9-0 to the Packers, lost a game 10-6 to the Dolphins in just an awful showing, put up 3 points against the Pats, and only put 9 against us even though they started all their drives at liek their own 40, and we started ours at our own 9 in the 2nd half.

But no Rex would never put up with such shenanigans of an offense!


Edit- In our game, we had a safety playing the nickel, Fabian Washington (a guy who lost his job like 4 weeks later), and no Ed Reed playing. And Rex still wouldnt let Sanchez go down field.