Anyone Else Questioning The HC Choice

[usmccharles]

Ill be honest, When we fired billick i thought Rex deserved first dibs at the HC position, although im not a huge fan of how he runs things in NY, as far as all the talking he does, but one thing is obvious, he knows how to win. Im very happy with harbough, but seeing what Rex has done with the Jets has made me wonder what he could have done with our team because we have a lot more talent on all aspects. I know some of you will start talking about Cam, but i think if Rex was HC he would of made some changes, maybe not get rid of cam but at least discuss more of an open playbook and give Joe some more freedom. It was just a thought

[berad]

The grass is always greener...

[Guest Maryland1]

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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1295244720' post='612024']
Ill be honest, When we fired billick i thought Rex deserved first dibs at the HC position, although im not a huge fan of how he runs things in NY, as far as all the talking he does, but one thing is obvious, he knows how to win. Im very happy with harbough, but seeing what Rex has done with the Jets has made me wonder what he could have done with our team because [b]we have a lot more talent on all aspects.[/b] I know some of you will start talking about Cam, but i think if Rex was HC he would of made some changes, maybe not get rid of cam but at least discuss more of an open playbook and give Joe some more freedom. It was just a thought
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[size="3"][b]No, the Ravens don't have more talent in all aspects.[/b].

[/size]The Ravens have a better QB, TE, RBs, safeties, kicker and punter but in terms of overall units, the Jets have more talent in more areas.

The Jets have one of the best o-lines in football, a better blocking FB, WRs that can make big plays a multitude of ways, a better d-line, a better LB UNIT, much better CBs and a better kick returner. Their QB, while woefully inconsistent, is capable of making plays, like Flacco.

[Alexir]

It's obvious why Rex isn't our head coach. He is a talker and doesn't show a lot of class. Biscotti didn't want that. I really don't care who the head coach is as long as we beat the Steelers and win games. Don't watch football for role models and class acts, I watch it because its a hard hitting battle every sunday...

[1/28/01]

Nope

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I still prefer Harbaugh. The Jets are simply a team that utilise their talent better; as well as playing to their strengths. I largely blame Cam Cameron for this.

[MJSMOOTH]

wow I guess if REX was our coach.... sure! I would be happy but since he's not have to I say no. He's way to cocky and he just does not fit the Ravens image which is playing hard, family, spirituality, our team is deeper than all that talk even tho they are still doing well.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, it's too late now. I'm not gonna dwell on it.

[zgf123]

id rather loss with class than win like an a**

[Alexir]

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id rather loss with class than win like an a**
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Not me. Football is entertainment at the end of the day. Boxers talk before fights. Its great for business and rivalries.

Braylon's back flip was awesome.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Yeah I'd prefer to just win too in all honesty.

[SuRihtanil]

Rex made me dislike him when he got a head coach job... I think he is way to much of a big head now and if he had been the ravens HC I woulda had mixed feelings about all his **** talking. I like John a lot more so than any other HC Baltimore has had in the past. I wasn't as bigga fan in the Billick years as I am now, BUT even so I know the only reason he won a SB is because he had superb players on the defense side of the ball, it wasn't for his superb coaching effort.

I am on the fence with our coordinators but the guys haven't been here long and I would like to see Cam and Greg back next year because our team has spent the past year learning their game plan... No point in making things confusing as hell by bringing in more people with more **** to learn. I would give them both 1 more year to see how things.

[Radinho84]

3 years to the playoffs in a row!!!

enough said. it´s the player´s turn right now!!!

[Pedro Rhormes]

Rex Ryan style is agressive defense, and he used to fit it with us in the past...I wouldn't mind keep Harbaugh, but changing DC . Getting a agressive man.

[Varcilla]

i think bravado wise and how the team would act under rex, it'd be different. I personally wanted Rex to have the job, just for the fact he knew the team better and he was an easy fit, but you don't become great by doing what's easy. I love what harbaugh has done with the Ravens, he's instilled a lot of team based values in the team, the young players play like seasoned vets. Flacco NEEDS to be our leader on offense, he needs to be more instinctive with the plays that are breaking down and just show more emotion. I know his thing is Joe Cool, but show us your passion for the game and team too, that's how a leader is born, its not the quiet calm people who you look to when the game is on the line. We will get there, 3 years under a young HC and QB, 3 years consecutively in the playoffs with them too?! Not too shabby by any means.

[fistfullwales]

No, I am a huge fan of John. Wouldnt have it any other way.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

It was a tradeoff decision. John is a more polished professional, while Rex is a regular Beer drinkin, cussin, fartin, Loud Mouth type of coach. That being said, his football IQ is far superior than John's. Rex has been to the AFC Championship game the last 3 years. Remember, he was the Assistant Head Coach for us. He was able to scoop some good players we could have used, and his schemes actually change from week to week. When his schemes fail, he changes. And CHANGING, is what coaches ALWAYS need to do. You could sum up our coaching staff in the term, HARD-HEADED, and rigid.

[MsMarvel73]

I am one who will put this on the coordinators. Cam not willing to make changes infuriates me and if he's back next season (which apparently will be the inclination), I will throw something.

[jj2020]

Harbs is doing fine we do not need know fatassorus rex

[True]

No. What's done is done. John Harbaugh is a great coach. He just has an issue with his coordinators that needs to be addressed. I have faith in his ability to rally this team. There should be a change in fundamentals heading into next season to really turn around the teams philosophy and garner a killer instinct

Also some folks need to get off their moral high horse about being "classy" and "cocky". The NFL is made up of players who are convicts, drug addicts, and the list goes on. There is one bad person on every team and constantly you have players/coaches who are dirty and take cheap shots during games. The NFL isn't exactly a holier than thou organization and people need to look past that. Just because you don't like a certain team that has swagger and is confident doesn't automatically equate them to bad people. The NFL is about entertainment--which is exactly what they are doing--and also winning. At the end of the day no one cares about how you act, there is no lombardi about being a "classy" team there is only one for winning. Such nuances are simply petty.

[jdynamite]

I knew this was coming lol...

I am pretty sure 3 years ago most of us Ravens fans thought or wanted Rex to get HC title. Hell I'm sure a lot of the players wanted Rex also...

But John got the job and has led the team to 3 straight winning seasons, 3 straight playoff appearances, 3 straight years of at least 1 playoff win..

It's not often a coach wins this often, this early, this consistently.

His early success ( that was unexpected let's not forget ) has led to high expectations.

Harbaugh has brought a stability to the team, we are winning yearly now rather than a 10 win year followed by 6 win year ( it may have seemed better than 6 wins because we would lose close defensive games )

[edreedfromtheu]

It depends on your reasoning for saying "it should have been Rex."

If you had said it from the START, then yes...

But if you're only saying it now because the Jets are in the AFC Championship... then no.


See, Rex deserved the chance because his unit was the only part of the team that was working! The players all respected him. And... he had a whole lot more experience than Harbaugh! Harbaugh has never even been a coordinator.

I don't give Harbaugh much credit for the Ravens making the playoffs 3 years in a row. He was a new face... and that's pretty much it. I'm sure ANYONE that wasn't Billick would have had success with the talent that was and still is on this team.

If Rex was the head coach, I guarantee we wouldn't be drafting players like Sergio Kindle. And obviously he's not scared to go after big names through trade or free agency like Cromartie, Holmes, and even LT.

[PuRock]

Not one bit. Like be-rad said. The grass is always greener on the other side. Except when you get there you find out somebody didn't pick up their dog poo.

The Jets have no show of sportsmanship. They run amok. The Jets have broke the bank in an uncapped year to put all this talent together. Rex is winning sure, but I think they have the talent to be even a better team than they are.

[PuRock]

Man if the Jets win the Superbowl. We'll have one-thread-a-day about this subject forever.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1295276608' post='612316']
If Rex was the head coach, I guarantee we wouldn't be drafting players like Sergio Kindle. And obviously he's not scared to go after big names through trade or free agency like Cromartie, Holmes, and even LT.
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You can't make that guarantee. Unless I'm missing something, Ozzie would still be the GM and I'm pretty sure both he and Rex would still have liked one of the consensus top rush LB prospects in the draft.

Rex might have pushed for some moves but again, his GM was the one that made his moves.

It's so hypocritical that you'll credit Rex for making FA moves but not Harbaugh for some of the key moves the Ravens have made since he was hired.

[Corvus]

Harbs' only downfall is his all-giving loyalty to his coaching staff, otherwise, I couldn't ask for more from the man.

[Militant X 1]

Coach Harbs brings the class, soft spokenness and style to the Ravens organization from a PR standpoint

Coach Ryan brings to the Jets organization that openly bravado, arrogance, cockiness, conceit, and the mentality that we are the best team in the AFC swagger as well as the [b] [i]"i don't give a ..... about what anyone thinks about it" [/i][/b] mentality that the Ravens defense use to have when he was the Ravens D.C.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1295277900' post='612359']
Coach Harbs brings the class, soft spokenness and style to the Ravens organization from a PR standpoint

[b]Coach Ryan brings to the Jets organization that openly bravado, arrogance, cockiness, conceit, and the mentality that we are the best team in the AFC swagger as well as the [b] [i]"i don't give a ..... about what anyone thinks about it" [/i][/b] mentality that the Ravens defense use to have when he was the Ravens D.C.[/b]
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The Ravens D also had that mentality back when they had more than a handful of players who could actually back up that belief with their play on the field.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295278075' post='612365']
The Ravens D also had that mentality back when they had more than a handful of players who could actually back up that belief with their play on the field.
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players aside...


Gregg is no Rex!