So..the Jets Win I'm So Sick About The Ravens!

[RavensAllTheWay]

If one of these teams (Jets of Steelers) loses in the Super Bowl, I'd be willing to bet that one of them misses the playoffs or turns into the 2010 Colts next season. Because the league changes every year. No way in hell the Ravens, Patriots, Jets and Steelers will be the AFCs final 4 teams again next season. I'm already looking forward to next year. When next year rolls around and one or two of these teams is struggling and the other two or three are doing just as well as this year, January/February 2011 will be totally irrelevant. Keep that in mind.

[PurpleChaos]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1295227426' post='611083']
If one of these teams (Jets of Steelers) loses in the Super Bowl, I'd be willing to bet that one of them misses the playoffs or turns into the 2010 Colts next season. Because the league changes every year. No way in hell the Ravens, Patriots, Jets and Steelers will be the AFCs final 4 teams again next season. I'm already looking forward to next year. When next year rolls around and one or two of these teams is struggling and the other two or three are doing just as well as this year, January/February 2011 will be totally irrelevant. Keep that in mind.
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and on that same note I fully expect us to drop off a few beats next year as well.

[Irish Girl]

I don't care who the Steelers play, as long as they beat Pittsburgh. They can't go to another Superbowl! Jets played well enough today to beat Pittsburgh, and we beat the Jets so if they do, it won't make us look so bad.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295226960' post='611051']
So what was Rex doing when the the Jets scored 9 points against the Ravens, or 0 points against the Packers or 3 points against the Patriots, or 6 points against the Dolphins?

If you think a HC solely determines whether a coordinator gets fired mid-season, you don't know football.

Harbaugh isn't soft dude.



How is it ridiculous? Football is a team game. You talk about Sanchez being in the AFCN and Joe being at home. When the Jets had to make huge plays, their WRs came through for Sanchez. Joe's WRs didn't.
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Ravens.....lose to the Steelers on the road.....Joe Flacco is sitting on the couch.

Jets.....win over the Patriots on the road.....Mark Sanchez is playing in the AFC Championship

what is sooooo hard to understand about that?

so, why compare Flacco to Sanchez at this point? it is meaningless! the Ravens didn't take care of their business to advance and both the Steelers and the Jets did.

nothing deep to try to figure out here....it is just that simple!

[RedFire]

[quote name='PurpleChaos' timestamp='1295227551' post='611090']
and on that same note I fully expect us to drop off a few beats next year as well.
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long as we stay injury free....i doubt it. flacco should really break out next season. we should have a new offensive coordinator. better offensive line...and some young defensive talent.

[Irish Girl]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1295227426' post='611083']
If one of these teams (Jets of Steelers) loses in the Super Bowl, I'd be willing to bet that one of them misses the playoffs or turns into the 2010 Colts next season. Because the league changes every year. No way in hell the Ravens, Patriots, Jets and Steelers will be the AFCs final 4 teams again next season. I'm already looking forward to next year. When next year rolls around and one or two of these teams is struggling and the other two or three are doing just as well as this year, January/February 2011 will be totally irrelevant. Keep that in mind.
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I'm ready for next year already, sitting around watching non-Ravens football just kills me. Hopefully next year, this won't happen.

[ZRayvenZ]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20'

[b]If you think a HC solely determines whether a coordinator gets fired mid-season, you don't know football.

Harbaugh isn't soft dude. [/b]

Cmon man. I can't let that go. Your a great stat guy, i'll give you that. That's your problem. Your head is so buried in stats, you know nothing about people.
"John is soft".

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='PurpleChaos' timestamp='1295227551' post='611090']
and on that same note I fully expect us to drop off a few beats next year as well.
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It's damn well possible....we'll find out.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295227410' post='611081']
Really funny. Fact is, if you truthfully feel the Pats and Jets game would have played out exactly the same had the Ravens won last night, you need help.

I've never said guys might have played harder or their game-plans would have been different but [b]to imply the Jets would have definitely still won tonight had the Ravens taken care of business last night is foolish[/b].
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Just jumping into the conversation here... but do you think the Jets changed their game plan in the last 24 hours because they would be going to Pittsburgh instead of Baltimore, if they won?

Everyone always says, "One game at a time"... Sure, teams occasionally DO look ahead, when playing a weak opponent, if their next game is vital - but playing the Pats, who beat them last month by 42, and they altered their game plan, because the Ravens were eliminated?

Why do you believe this? Or, am I drawing the wrong conclusions about your post?

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1295228034' post='611129']
Just jumping into the conversation here... but do you think the Jets changed their game plan in the last 24 hours because they would be going to Pittsburgh instead of Baltimore, if they won?

Everyone always says, "One game at a time"... Sure, teams occasionally DO look ahead, when playing a weak opponent, if their next game is vital - but playing the Pats, who beat them last month by 42, and they altered their game plan, because the Ravens were eliminated?

Why do you believe this? Or, am I drawing the wrong conclusions about your post?
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Maybe a crazed fan would say "I want Brady to get a piece of Suggs" and run out and shoot Sanchez. Or maybe if the Raven's won the earth's axis would have tweaked and gravity would have been affected. I mean we just dont know how things would have changed for this game had the Ravens won...

[woodmack]

our dear ol' RAVENS could have hosted the AFC Championship in Baltimore, but we seem to find a way to lose the crucial games...the fans deserve better!!!!

[die_hard_raven]

I will say this much. Rex may talk smack and he does need to shutup and times but I give the man credit, he will go down fighting and if he gets beat he will get beat bringing the heat with everything he has. Even in defeat I will always respect a team that will play to win instead of playing not to lose.

We may question Rex's mouth and decisions but not his heart. Not every team can say that about their coaching staff and lots of fans wish they could.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1295227716' post='611104']
Ravens.....lose to the Steelers on the road.....Joe Flacco is sitting on the couch.

Jets.....win over the Patriots on the road.....Mark Sanchez is playing in the AFC Championship

what is sooooo hard to understand about that?

so, why compare Flacco to Sanchez at this point? it is meaningless! the Ravens didn't take care of their business to advance and both the Steelers and the Jets did.

nothing deep to try to figure out here....it is just that simple!
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Why is it meaningless? Is there some cut-off point in the season when you can longer compare QBs because one is sitting at home while the other is still playing?

I'm done.

[quote name='ZRayvenZ' timestamp='1295227966' post='611123']
Cmon man. I can't let that go. Your a great stat guy, i'll give you that. That's your problem. Your head is so buried in stats, you know nothing about people.
"John is soft".
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I'm a stat guy? What the hell are you talking about?

We're talking personnel. You said Cam would have been fired were Rex the HC. How do you know that? What proof do you have to make that claim?

Call Harbaugh "soft". I could care less. Rex is a blow-hard and his team making the AFCN in consecutive seasons isn't going to make me pretend he's some magnificiant coach who'd do everything right where Harbaugh supposedly didn't.

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1295228034' post='611129']
Just jumping into the conversation here... but do you think the Jets changed their game plan in the last 24 hours because they would be going to Pittsburgh instead of Baltimore, if they won?

Everyone always says, "One game at a time"... Sure, teams occasionally DO look ahead, when playing a weak opponent, if their next game is vital - but playing the Pats, who beat them last month by 42, and they altered their game plan, because the Ravens were eliminated?

Why do you believe this? Or, am I drawing the wrong conclusions about your post?
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Are you kidding me? I clearly wrote I do NOT think the game plans would have been different. However, I'm not going to pretend the outcome would have definitely been the said.

Tonight's game didn't strictly come to game plans. Had the Ravens won last night, who knows how the ball might have bounced differently tonight in an infinite amount of scenarios. Those different bounces may have meant the Pats came out on top instead. That's my point.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1295228328' post='611154']
Maybe a crazed fan would say "I want Brady to get a piece of Suggs" and run out and shoot Sanchez. Or maybe if the Raven's won the earth's axis would have tweaked and gravity would have been affected. [b]I mean we just dont know how things would have changed for this game had the Ravens won...[/b]
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But to assume it would have been the exact same outcome makes zero sense.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Way to go people, you've worked yourselves up so much about the Jets and now you hate 'em. And now....them moving past us and having a straight up better team than us has made it a lot worse. Thanks, but this is why I didn't join the "hate the Jets" bandwagon. The only thing I dislike about it is that we will be CONSTANTLY compared to them.

[RedFire]

[quote name='die_hard_raven' timestamp='1295228518' post='611170']
I will say this much. Rex may talk smack and he does need to shutup and times but I give the man credit, he will go down fighting and if he gets beat he will get beat bringing the heat with everything he has. Even in defeat I will always respect a team that will play to win instead of playing not to lose.

We may question Rex's mouth and decisions but not his heart. Not every team can say that about their coaching staff and lots of fans wish they could.
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herm edwards coached to win the game. too bad he ain't have enough talent when he was with the jets.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295228688' post='611184']
But to assume it would have been the exact same outcome makes zero sense.
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You havent explained what in the world that game has to do with this one. Tell me why it would be different. You mentioned the ball could have bounced different. Why would the ball bounce different? Or do you believe in actual football gods?

[Jen13]

I hope the Jets crush the Steelers!!

[die_hard_raven]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1295228736' post='611189']
herm edwards coached to win the game. too bad he ain't have enough talent when he was with the jets.
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true true true

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1295228817' post='611197']
You havent explained what in the world that game has to do with this one. Tell me why it would be different. You mentioned the ball could have bounced different. Why would the ball bounce different? Or do you believe in actual football gods?
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There doesn't have to be anything directly linking the two games for the outcome to be different if we go back and change history. I never said the ball [i]would[/i] bounce differently, I said it [i]could[/i] bounce differently and thus changed the outcome.

[ZRayvenZ]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295228626' post='611179']




I'm a stat guy? What the hell are you talking about?

We're talking personnel. You said Cam would have been fired were Rex the HC. How do you know that? What proof do you have to make that claim?

Call Harbaugh "soft". [b]I could care less. Rex is a blow-hard [/b]and his team making the AFCN in consecutive seasons isn't going to make me pretend he's some magnificiant coach who'd do everything right where Harbaugh supposedly didn't.



LOL. Let it go man. Just admit it. I can see right though that line

I never said we would be better or worse. I just said basically Rex is more of a take charge coach while Harbaugh just stands around waiting to scream for a timeout or a challenge.
I'm done now.

[jdynamite]

I wanted NE to win just so they could knock off steelers... The jets absolutely can't start an offense without a sense of running game... steelers get another cake walk to superbowl thanks to our miscues

[#23]

I live in New Jersey and if you had to hear Rex's gums flap on every sports radio show, every night on the local news and then on ESPN and NFL Network, you would hate the guy too. The Steelers win because they are a solid organization. The Jets win because great teams lay down to them and they get lucky when it matters. Sorry, but this weekend, I'm rooting for the Steelers so Rex can shutup. I never had an issue with the Jets, until two years ago, when he left and our Ravens followed him, until two years ago when he left and has not once given credit to the Ravens organization for helping him get where he is today. The man is arrogant and someone's gotta put him in his place. Hopefully the Steelers will this weekend and then Rodgers will shred Pittsburgh to pieces for the ring.

[Yurtle]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295226272' post='611002']
Never understood the hate for Rex by Ravens fans. He created a SB potential defense in '06 (2nd only to the 00' defense) and if it wasn't for the offense sucking they could have gone far. Same with '08 when the defense was carrying the team despite injuries.

[b]He's been in 3 straight AFC Championship games. He is 5-3 against Brady, Manning, and Big Ben. Harbs is 1-11 against them. Insult Rex all you want, he gets it done when he has an offense that helps out his defense. [/b]

At this point it seems more like a mental thing with the Ravens can't beat the elite teams because of dumb mistakes, but Rex has gotten the Jets to do so. The mentality from the Jets and Ravens are so different, despite them being built so similarly.

I really believe the Ravens have to rework their philosophy as a team (especially on offense). They need that killer instinct to put away teams (something that has plagued us all season) in the second half of games. They need a vocal leader on offense, be it Flacco, Rice, or Boldin, that holds them accountable like Ray Lewis does for the defense. John Harbaugh is a great coach who has in stored discipline into this team, now he has to help them get that mental edge to win the big games.
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I agree. I also think that Rex Ryan is a better HC than John Harbaugh. You should be an OC or DC before you become a head coach. Rex has been more successful than Harbaugh and his players like him more. I think we made a mistake and even if we do win a SB, the Jets might win one first. That would sting, but I'm ready to admit we made a mistake.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Yurtle' timestamp='1295237238' post='611652']
I agree. I also think that Rex Ryan is a better HC than John Harbaugh. You should be an OC or DC before you become a head coach. Rex has been more successful than Harbaugh and his players like him more. I think we made a mistake and even if we do win a SB, the Jets might win one first. That would sting, but I'm ready to admit we made a mistake.
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We couldnt hire Rex, and believe it that the front office wanted to hire him. But he's a continuation of Billicks mentality with player treatment and media treatment (but worse). He FAILED the interview we gave him for the job when Ozzie and Biscotti asked Rex about the division between defense and offense under Billick and the defense undermining what Billick was trying to do.

How the hell do you hire someone after that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ZRayvenZ' timestamp='1295229881' post='611267']
LOL. Let it go man. Just admit it. I can see right though that line

I never said we would be better or worse. I just said basically Rex is more of a take charge coach while Harbaugh just stands around waiting to scream for a timeout or a challenge.
I'm done now.
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Let what go? Rex is a loudmouth. You "can see right through that line"? What does that even mean?

You say Rex is a take-charge coach? How did he take charge in ANY of his team's losses this season?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Yurtle' timestamp='1295237238' post='611652']
I agree. I also think that Rex Ryan is a better HC than John Harbaugh. You should be an OC or DC before you become a head coach. [b]Rex has been more successful than Harbaugh and his players like him more.[/b] I think we made a mistake and even if we do win a SB, the Jets might win one first. That would sting, but I'm ready to admit we made a mistake.
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Thats not hard when you run a candy cane ship. His players act like immature kids. After that last TD, Rex needed to run into the endzone to celebrate with his players. Then when they won, Rex's kids were running around like airplanes and doing backflips. etc.

He's like that bad parent. Kids are always screaming, breaking things, hitting people. But you can't say anything or else you'd be yelled and made fun of because 'they ain't your kids'.

It's really quite pathetic. I wouldn't want that for our Org. We have a bad enough rep as it is.

[Ravens549]

I just have to say, I am sick (sick) of paying for play off tickets every season we have a glimpse of hope of making the playoffs so the organization can hold my cash for 6 months after we fail to make a run!
This was to be the year and we failed to Pittsburgh, once again. Needless to say of the stats we fail some way or other to make it deep into the playoffs.
Blame it on Webb, Boldin, or even Housh but never fails we are out of the playoffs and my hard earned cash is also out of my pockets!
Baltimore's Ravens you disappointed me once again.

[True]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1295237589' post='611681']
Thats not hard when you run a candy cane ship. His players act like immature kids. After that last TD, Rex needed to run into the endzone to celebrate with his players. Then when they won, Rex's kids were running around like airplanes and doing backflips. etc.

He's like that bad parent. Kids are always screaming, breaking things, hitting people. But you can't say anything or else you'd be yelled and made fun of because 'they ain't your kids'.

It's really quite pathetic. I wouldn't want that for our Org. We have a bad enough rep as it is.
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Do you think it really matters as long as they win? It's all an afterthought.

If the Ravens did the same thing if they had beaten the Steelers, no way would I put "class" over a win over a division rival in the playoffs. Rex is close to his players, they all love him, and they play hard for him.

Would you rather the team be somber and then become split? Ray Lewis made an interesting post game comment about "[b]my[/b] defense played well" yesterday after the loss. That's not a good sign of team unity, something the Jets showed in today's game. Having fun doesn't always equate to being undisciplined.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295238036' post='611711']
Do you think it really matters as long as they win? It's all an afterthought.

If the Ravens did the same thing if they had beaten the Steelers, no way would I put "class" over a win over a division rival in the playoffs. Rex is close to his players, they all love him, and [b]they play hard for him[/b].

Would you rather the team be somber and then become split? [b]Ray Lewis made an interesting post game comment about "[b]my[/b] defense played well" yesterday after the loss. That's not a good sign of team unity, something the Jets showed in today's game. Having fun doesn't always equate to being undisciplined.[/b]
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So the Ravens don't play hard for Harbaugh? Even with all the playing miscues last night and the loss, did the Ravens look like a team that was nonchalant out there.

Ray saying "my defense" means squat. He's referred to the defense as his hundreds of times, when things were good and bad.

As for the players, they are undisciplined. Did you see the nonsense Greene did after scoring? It led to the Pats getting good field position and eventually pulling within 7.