Who's Got The Better Defense?

[RavensIQ]

our D line isnt as good, they got DeMarcus Ware and who do we got that is as good as him?

[Ravens_Pwn12]

WHAT? Kelly Gregg, Ngata, Pryce, Suggs(when He's there) And D Ware is a OLB, Suggs and Scott is not as good?

opps i meant LBs

scott plays ilb not outside by the way

Greg Ellis,DeMarcus Ware, and Zack Thomas

[RavensIQ]

...i forget his name i think it something like ray lewis?

[smashmouth]

opps i meant LBs

scott plays ilb not outside by the way

Greg Ellis,DeMarcus Ware, and Zack Thomas

He plays inside and sometime's outside, depends on wheather were in a 3-4 or 4-3, When the Cowboys make top 5 defense for 10 years in a row, and top 3 in run defence then maybe they can be thought of as good as Baltimore is.

[raven43]

our LBS isnt as good, they got DeMarcus Ware and who do we got that is as good as him?

Ray Lewis, T- sizzles, Bart Scott, You think Peter Boulware sometimes comes to Ravens games? He's probaalby still better.....

[BaltimoreBulldog]

I would say Cowboys mainly because of the depth and depth quality they have at nearly every position. If Pacman jones gets reinstated they will be very deep at corner. They signed Zach Thomas to a already great LB group. Most of the guys on their D is pretty young and dont have many problems with them staying healthy. I dont know its hard to say, if both are healthy it is a close call. Cowboys were ranked no.1 in defense last year (yards per game) and top 5 in nearly every other category. You take any of there 3 starting CB's (Pacman, Newman, Henry) and they will start for us. CMac is about the only of ours that would start for the cowboys.

I got to say Cowboys, even though it hurts because I strongly dislike them.

[BaltimoreBulldog]

Alright there big fella lets calm it down and look at this position by position if you really want.

Starting up front: Nagta, Greg, Pryce, and Suggs vs. Spears, Ratliff, and Canty. This is a no brainer with Haloti and Kelly being the two most underrated players in the NFL. Pryce, if healthy is enough of a problem, not to mention how much he will free up Suggs from being double teamed like last year.

Linebackers: Johnson/Suggs, Lewis, Scott vs. Ellis, James, Thomas, and Ware. A little bit tougher to see a winner but my way of doing it is as follows. Say Ray and Thomas cancel each other out, same with Scott and Ware. That leaves proven vet Suggs and solid Jarret Johnson vs. Ellis and James. I'll take our guys anyday and their numbers speak for themselves. (136 tackles to 132 tackles), yeah its close but our guys didn't play as many downs as theirs.

Secondary: Washington/Rolle, C-Mac, Reed and Landry vs. Newman, Williams, Hamlin, Henry/Jones. I'm not too sure where Pacman will start but I don't see him being the difference maker. Both of these squads are incredibly talented and experienced. Reed is hands down the best player on this list and Roy Williams can't shine a light on him. Our weak spot is with Rolle and Washington compared to their two CB's. But then again we have C-Mac and Landry to their Hamlin and Henry/Newman. Stats wise the Cowboys were better but we were never healthy, so you have to take the numbers with a grain of salt.

Coordinators: Rex Ryan vs. Brian Stewart: Cut and dry.

Case closed, we have them beat.

For one, Cowboys run a 3-4 defense and our defense is more a of a hybrid 4-3 with a little bit if 3-4 mixed in. But the cowboys primary set is 3-4 and therefore the players have different roles and there stat sheet will show.

DL: You missed Tank johnson on that list, he is a good DL and would probably challenge on our team to be a starter. He does have some off the field issues but he is still a pretty good player. Hard to compare stats on the lines due to the difference in Defenses. The 3-4 line man are more for stoping the run and freeing up the LB's and therefore not going to produce many stats.

LB: Ok well you have to compare apples to apples here.

MLB-Zach Thomas and Ray lewis are both the Mike LB's and id give the edge to Ray but Zach Thomas is a very very good player. The other starting Mike's - Bradie James for the cowboys and Bart Scott for us. James had more sacks and tackles then Bart Scott, so i would give the edge to James there. I would give the edge to the Ravens as far as depth at the MLB position with the rookie Gooden vs cowboys Burnett and Carpenter.

OLB-Greg Ellis and Damarcus Ware vs Suggs and Johnson. Ellis had only 31 tackles but also had 12.5 sacks and 3 FF, the reason he doesnt have as many tackles is more due to him playing DE sometimes in the 3-4 scheme which wouldn't produce as many tackles. Ware had 80 tackles,14 sacks and 4 FF. Suggs 80 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 FF. Johnson 58 tackles, 2 sacks, 2FF. I give the edge to Dallas on this one, Suggs is certainly great but Johnson is far from it. Ellis and Ware are both very good players, Ware is a top 5 OLB in the league (so is suggs).

Another note about what you said with Scott cancelling Ware out. Ware is by far better than Bart Scott. Scott is a MLB and Ware is OLB but i woulldn't even put Bart Scott in the top 5 MLB in the league, maybe not top 10. Ware is top 5 OLB easy, probably more like a top 2 or 3.

Secondary

Let me just say this first, If Pac Man is reinstated he will more than likely be the starting corner next to terrence newman. He will without a doubt be a difference maker.

CMac, Rolle, Washington, Reed, Landry vs Newman, Pacman, Henry(Mike Jenkins maybe taking this spot with Henry moving to safety), Williams, and Hamlin.

For the sake of argument im going to say Washington and CMac are the starting corners with Rolle as the nickel back and Terrence Newman and Pacman will be starting with henry/jenkins in nickel. Cmac is the best corner on this list easy, as far as the rest i would take Pacman/Henry/Jenkins over Washington/Rolle anyday. I give the edge here to Cowboys for sure, they have quality depth and high quailty starters also. We lack depth and quality past rolle and cmac.

Strong safeties- Ravens Landry and cowboys Williams(probably anthony henry going to be playing alot to since Roy williams lacks cover skills). I would say this is probably a tie. Landry is far better covering,but Williams is a beast against the run.

Free Safety- Reed and cowboys Hamlin. Obvious here, Reed is the best safety in the NFL and prob a future HOF. Hamlin is still a good safety but no one compares to reed.

Coaches : Ryan vs Stewart and Wade Phillips. Phillips is the head coach but i promise you he is very involved with everything in that defense. He was a outstanding coordinator before he came to dallas with San Diego. I think it would be a tie with that being considered. Rex is great defintely, but Wade Phillips is very good also. (See there top 5 defensive rankings in every category nearly last year)

Im sure i lost a lot of people there but if you want to be fair, you need to compare by the position. Overall i got to say the cowboys get the edge. A couple of years ago would be a far different story but with free agency and our aging D it changes. They have a lot of depth at every position, not just a body either, they have guys who could potentially start on other teams that are backups. They have 2 first round pick's that are backups on there LB group (spencer and carpenter)!!!! Anyways, we will see this season i just hope we can return this year healthy and bring back our top 5 defense that we have been accustomed to.

[RavensIQ]

I would say Cowboys mainly because of the depth and depth quality they have at nearly every position. If Pacman jones gets reinstated they will be very deep at corner. They signed Zach Thomas to a already great LB group. Most of the guys on their D is pretty young and dont have many problems with them staying healthy. I dont know its hard to say, if both are healthy it is a close call. Cowboys were ranked no.1 in defense last year (yards per game) and top 5 in nearly every other category. You take any of there 3 starting CB's (Pacman, Newman, Henry) and they will start for us. CMac is about the only of ours that would start for the cowboys.

I got to say Cowboys, even though it hurts because I strongly dislike them.

-Cowboys were ranked 9th overall (ypg)

-Ravens were ranked 6th overall (ypg

-Cowboys ranked 6th overall in (rush ypg)

-Ravens ranked 2nd overall (rush ypg)

Cowboys only broke top ten in ypg because they play in the NFC. Give them the same schedule as the ravens last year and u wouldn't find them in top 15. Ravens had Staring DE (Pryce) injured for nearly all season, both starting corners for nearly all of last season (Rolle, C'Mac). Ray Lewis even missed 2 games...and yet we still managed to rank 2nd overall on the run and 6th overall in total yards.

Our secondary is one of the best in the entire league when healthy:

-Reed, Landry, Rolle/Washington, C'Mac vs.? roy williams?, ken hamlin?(who?), terrence newman, henry/pacman? are you serious??

Our line backing corps is one of the most talent in the entire league:

-Ray Lewis, Terrel Suggs, Bart Scott, Barnes/Johnson vs. zach thomas?, d'ware, bradie james?(who?) greg ellis. are you serious?

Our d-line crushes their d-line:

Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata, Tryvor Pryce vs. spencer, ratliff?, canty? are you serious?

7 of our 11 starters have been to the probowl at least once, and 2 more should have made it but got snubbed (Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata)

Newman is not beating out C'Mac, henry is not beating out Rolle or Fabian Washinton, pacman might hold down his own but give me a break. Cowboys better than the. Ravens? When healthy its a close call?

Last year 3 of our 11 starters missed nearly the entire season and we still beat the cowboys in almost every category. Not to mention we played 8 of our 16 games against playoff teams last year (give or take the browns)

The cowboys are just that boys...when they become men then maybe they can share the same sentence with the. Balimore Ravens.

[BaltimoreBulldog]

-Cowboys were ranked 9th overall (ypg)

-Ravens were ranked 6th overall (ypg

-Cowboys ranked 6th overall in (rush ypg)

-Ravens ranked 2nd overall (rush ypg)

Cowboys only broke top ten in ypg because they play in the NFC. Give them the same schedule as the ravens last year and u wouldn't find them in top 15. Ravens had Staring DE (Pryce) injured for nearly all season, both starting corners for nearly all of last season (Rolle, C'Mac). Ray Lewis even missed 2 games...and yet we still managed to rank 2nd overall on the run and 6th overall in total yards.

Our secondary is one of the best in the entire league when healthy:

-Reed, Landry, Rolle/Washington, C'Mac vs.? roy williams?, ken hamlin?(who?), terrence newman, henry/pacman? are you serious??

Our line backing corps is one of the most talent in the entire league:

-Ray Lewis, Terrel Suggs, Bart Scott, Barnes/Johnson vs. zach thomas?, d'ware, bradie james?(who?) greg ellis. are you serious?

Our d-line crushes their d-line:

Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata, Tryvor Pryce vs. spencer, ratliff?, canty? are you serious?

7 of our 11 starters have been to the probowl at least once, and 2 more should have made it but got snubbed (Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata)

Newman is not beating out C'Mac, henry is not beating out Rolle or Fabian Washinton, pacman might hold down his own but give me a break. Cowboys better than the. Ravens? When healthy its a close call?

Last year 3 of our 11 starters missed nearly the entire season and we still beat the cowboys in almost every category. Not to mention we played 8 of our 16 games against playoff teams last year (give or take the browns)

The cowboys are just that boys...when they become men then maybe they can share the same sentence with the. Balimore Ravens.

Sorry about the misquote on the stats, you are right about that. I know we were injured all year, but we are comparing what we got vs what they got. Our team is old, injury prone and that is exactly why i am saying is one of the reasons the cowboys D is better. Everyone uses the excuse "only because they play in the nfc", if anything the AFC has more running teams than the NFC has.

Dont take what im saying the wrong way here. I do believe our defense is one of the best in the league, we are comparing ravens vs. cowboys. If you read what i wrote about our safeties, I said that Reed was far better, and can you honestly say Landry is better than Roy williams(Made the pro bowl as a reserve last year and many other years). Cmac is our best corner by far and the best between the cowboys and us. Beyond him Rolle is good, not great if you remember he got picked on alot the past couple of years. Beyond those 2 who do we have? Washington who as far as im concerened is average, he has proven nothing. Cowboys have Newman, Henry, Pacman, Jenkins, i would take those 4 any day of the week over what we got. They have a young and very talented corner group with alot of promise, we have good corners who are old and on the decline.

Again, read what i said about our LB's i said they were great. But so are the cowboys LB's, Zach Thomas is potentially a HOF, damarcus ware is a absolute beast, bradie james is good and so is greg ellis. I gave the slight edge to the boys becaue of the quality across the board. Jarret johnson is average, i think he is the weak link in the group.

Never said Newman was beating out CMac, i said any of there 3 corners would be starting on our defense. I meant alongside of CMAC. Newman, Henry and Pacman > Rolle / Washington. You can make the arguement that henry isnt better than rolle but i think its close considering rolle is declining as of late.

Im not saying Ravens defense is terrible we couldnt beat a high school team. Dont get me wrong i know we still are a great defense, i just personally think the Cowboys have a slightly better D. You have to take off the rose colored glasses for a minute and evaluate what we really have.

[smashmouth]

For one, Cowboys run a 3-4 defense and our defense is more a of a hybrid 4-3 with a little bit if 3-4 mixed in. But the cowboys primary set is 3-4 and therefore the players have different roles and there stat sheet will show.

DL: You missed Tank johnson on that list, he is a good DL and would probably challenge on our team to be a starter. He does have some off the field issues but he is still a pretty good player. Hard to compare stats on the lines due to the difference in Defenses. The 3-4 line man are more for stoping the run and freeing up the LB's and therefore not going to produce many stats.

LB: Ok well you have to compare apples to apples here.

MLB-Zach Thomas and Ray lewis are both the Mike LB's and id give the edge to Ray but Zach Thomas is a very very good player. The other starting Mike's - Bradie James for the cowboys and Bart Scott for us. James had more sacks and tackles then Bart Scott, so i would give the edge to James there. I would give the edge to the Ravens as far as depth at the MLB position with the rookie Gooden vs cowboys Burnett and Carpenter.

OLB-Greg Ellis and Damarcus Ware vs Suggs and Johnson. Ellis had only 31 tackles but also had 12.5 sacks and 3 FF, the reason he doesnt have as many tackles is more due to him playing DE sometimes in the 3-4 scheme which wouldn't produce as many tackles. Ware had 80 tackles,14 sacks and 4 FF. Suggs 80 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 FF. Johnson 58 tackles, 2 sacks, 2FF. I give the edge to Dallas on this one, Suggs is certainly great but Johnson is far from it. Ellis and Ware are both very good players, Ware is a top 5 OLB in the league (so is suggs).

Another note about what you said with Scott cancelling Ware out. Ware is by far better than Bart Scott. Scott is a MLB and Ware is OLB but i woulldn't even put Bart Scott in the top 5 MLB in the league, maybe not top 10. Ware is top 5 OLB easy, probably more like a top 2 or 3.

Secondary

Let me just say this first, If Pac Man is reinstated he will more than likely be the starting corner next to terrence newman. He will without a doubt be a difference maker.

CMac, Rolle, Washington, Reed, Landry vs Newman, Pacman, Henry(Mike Jenkins maybe taking this spot with Henry moving to safety), Williams, and Hamlin.

For the sake of argument im going to say Washington and CMac are the starting corners with Rolle as the nickel back and Terrence Newman and Pacman will be starting with henry/jenkins in nickel. Cmac is the best corner on this list easy, as far as the rest i would take Pacman/Henry/Jenkins over Washington/Rolle anyday. I give the edge here to Cowboys for sure, they have quality depth and high quailty starters also. We lack depth and quality past rolle and cmac.

Strong safeties- Ravens Landry and cowboys Williams(probably anthony henry going to be playing alot to since Roy williams lacks cover skills). I would say this is probably a tie. Landry is far better covering,but Williams is a beast against the run.

Free Safety- Reed and cowboys Hamlin. Obvious here, Reed is the best safety in the NFL and prob a future HOF. Hamlin is still a good safety but no one compares to reed.

Coaches : Ryan vs Stewart and Wade Phillips. Phillips is the head coach but i promise you he is very involved with everything in that defense. He was a outstanding coordinator before he came to dallas with San Diego. I think it would be a tie with that being considered. Rex is great defintely, but Wade Phillips is very good also. (See there top 5 defensive rankings in every category nearly last year)

Im sure i lost a lot of people there but if you want to be fair, you need to compare by the position. Overall i got to say the cowboys get the edge. A couple of years ago would be a far different story but with free agency and our aging D it changes. They have a lot of depth at every position, not just a body either, they have guys who could potentially start on other teams that are backups. They have 2 first round pick's that are backups on there LB group (spencer and carpenter)!!!! Anyways, we will see this season i just hope we can return this year healthy and bring back our top 5 defense that we have been accustomed to.

All your stats is from last year which is HIGHLY unfair to alot of the Ravens players. Yes I understand every team suffers injurys.. but The Ravens had injurys to all there key guys.Scott,Suggs and Johnson, along with Reed and Laundry all played out of postion because of the injuries to our CB's and our backups being burned.

Just take a look at Scotts and suggs sack sheets for 06

[jravens13]

This shouldn't even be a question...dallas has a good D but its not even close to ours....Dallas has no corners unless pacman can comeback and play well...nothing special at linebacker...Demarcus Ware is a good pass rusher but Suggs is just as good and you can do more with him... Our Front 7 alone is the reason why we are better then you throw in Ed Reed, Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, and Dwan Landry...

All we need to do is stay healthy and we should be back on top. At least they went out an picked up a few backup corners with Fabian Washington and Frank Walker...

If we dont have an turnover machine of McNair and Boller like we did last year we should be in good shape

[BaltimoreBulldog]

This shouldn't even be a question...dallas has a good D but its not even close to ours....Dallas has no corners unless pacman can comeback and play well...nothing special at linebacker...Demarcus Ware is a good pass rusher but Suggs is just as good and you can do more with him... Our Front 7 alone is the reason why we are better then you throw in Ed Reed, Chris McAlister, Samari Rolle, and Dwan Landry...

All we need to do is stay healthy and we should be back on top. At least they went out an picked up a few backup corners with Fabian Washington and Frank Walker...

If we dont have an turnover machine of McNair and Boller like we did last year we should be in good shape

Terrence Newman ring a bell to you?? Last i checked he was a pretty good corner. Anthony Henry would probably start along Cmac on our team. Zach Thomas (Espn poll ranked him above Ray Lewis as smartest defensive player), Demarcus Ware, Greg Ellis, Bradie James are all at least even with our linebacking core. Im not sure if you guys just dont follow other nfl teams or just dont recognize the names, but all of these players are very good.

Would you rather have Washington/Walker or Mike Jenkins/Pacman Jones/Anthony Henry??? Ill take CMAC over all of them anyday but after CMAC we dont have much.

Everyone says "if healthy", well that is part of comparing our team to another. The fact that we have so many defensive players over the age of 30 is a big reason why I say cowboys are better. We are going to have injuries because we have so many players over 30. Its apart of the game and you have to consider it when you are comparing the teams.

[march4superbowl]

BET? Ravens #1 overall Defense in 2008!

[raven43]

BET? Ravens #1 overall Defense in 2008!

I'm gettin in on that

[FerrariFan87]

BET? Ravens #1 overall Defense in 2008!

Rushing D, most likely 1st or 2nd (The Vikings are ridiculous too)... Pass D is going to be our Achilles heel, again, which will push us back to probably 4th or 5th overall.

[rayvenfan_52]

Rushing D, most likely 1st or 2nd (The Vikings are ridiculous too)... Pass D is going to be our Achilles heel, again, which will push us back to probably 4th or 5th overall.

I wouldnt say that pass rushing is or achilles heel. When Pryce is in it becomes more of a 1 on 1 type of thing for the other teams OL. Which Rex Ryan always tries to get for our D. 4 down Linemen going against 5 OL guys. With probably an extra person blitzing or faking it. Our defense always managed to get the QB one way or another. Youll see.