Who's Got The Better Defense?

[march4superbowl]

The cowboys have done some rebuilding of their defense in the draft the last couple years and picked up some already established vets to add some punch. The ravens on the other hand ranked well last season considering the toll injuries played on them forcing depth to step up, in which lacked experience. Now that our players are healthy and key additions were signed which club looks to have the most dominating Defense?

[rayvenfan_52]

Our defense hands down. No matter how many people are injured our defense still manages to get into the top 5 in something. Now that everyone is healthy the D is going to be a monster again.

[raven43]

Our defense hands down. No matter how many people are injured our defense still manages to get into the top 5 in something. Now that everyone is healthy the D is going to be a monster again.

copletley agree

the Cowboy's top two offseason pickups wont make much of a difference this year. One of them is one off feild mistake away and the other is a cocusion away from never seeing the fild ths season

[FriendlySkinsFan]

Playing Dallas twice a year and watching you guys, I'm gonna have to say that you take the cake when it comes to secondary. LB corps, I'll give you the nod but I'll have to hand it to Dallas on the pass-rush.

Then again, is this a question? Any team with Roy Williams automatically gets taken down several notches. It's like he's an extra man out there for the offense.

[rayvenfan_52]

Playing Dallas twice a year and watching you guys, I'm gonna have to say that you take the cake when it comes to secondary. LB corps, I'll give you the nod but I'll have to hand it to Dallas on the pass-rush.

Then again, is this a question? Any team with Roy Williams automatically gets taken down several notches. It's like he's an extra man out there for the offense.

I have to disagree with you on the pass rushing. Pryce was out last season which made people double team Suggs. Check out the 06 season when Pryce was healthy. Pryce and Suggs were tearin it up and Id hate to be a QB when both of those 2 are coming at you.

[Drkraven]

Our pass rush was hindered last year due to the injury to Trevor Pryce and the rest of the team.

[rayvenfan_52]

Atleast our run stop part was still intact.

[justifythegame]

is this thread a joke?

even the cowboys offense is better than its defense. and you're comparing it to one the elite defenses in football (arguably the BEST, and we all know we are the best no contest if everyone is HEALTHY).

[FriendlySkinsFan]

I have to disagree with you on the pass rushing. Pryce was out last season which made people double team Suggs. Check out the 06 season when Pryce was healthy. Pryce and Suggs were tearin it up and Id hate to be a QB when both of those 2 are coming at you.

Our pass rush was hindered last year due to the injury to Trevor Pryce and the rest of the team.

Hmm, I guess I overlooked the fact that Pryce was gone for some reason. Still, Greg Ellis had a phenomenal year and Ware is always a stud. Their pass rush is quite potent, however, so really, I'd have to make it a push right now.

Other than that, when healthy you guys are quite phenomenal, but Dallas isn't a joke either. Overall you guys take the cake.

[DRayRaven]

The injuries to the secondary didn't help, either. It's difficult to mount an effective pass rush when LBs have to drop into coverage to protect the backfield.

Dallas has a damn good D, though.

Who is better?

When healthy, the Ravens.

Unfortunately, injuries are part of the game.

[raven43]

so I guess the real question is who has the better conditioning program

[BAL_Hawk]

so I guess the real question is who has the better conditioning program

We definitely did NOT in years previous. I believe that Billick's training really put our guys at a disadvantage and was the biggest reason for all the injuries. You can't play pro-football and not be in top physical condition.

[b-morebrotha]

Presently we are superior but if we don't get our cb sitauion and olb and possibly our mlb replacements in the next few yrs we gonna drop like a pass to yamon figures

[raven43]

Presently we are superior but if we don't get our cb sitauion and olb and possibly our mlb replacements in the next few yrs we gonna drop like a pass to yamon figures

you mean like a deep bomb to a wide open Devin Hester!!

[rayvenfan_52]

you mean like a deep bomb to a wide open Devin Hester!!

How about a missed game winning sack on Eli Manning with 2 other guys hands on him as well?

[raven43]

How about a missed game winning sack on Eli Manning with 2 other guys hands on him as well?

or a botched snap on a potential playoff game winning field goal!!!!

[rayvenfan_52]

or a botched snap on a potential playoff game winning field goal!!!!

Lets not forget that perfect pass McNabb threw to his receiver in the 05 Super Bowl but dropped because he was "scared" to catch it which turned into the game winning interception.

[Corvus]

D-line - Ravens > Cowboys

We have arguably the best defensive tackles in the league in Ngata and Gregg. It's obvious when you look how many time they snagged the ball carrier last year (Ngata had 60+ tackles, Gregg had 80+ i think). Its also why you can look back and see why we were the 2nd best team in the league at stopping the run last year. When Pryce is healthy he is just as much of a force to be reckoned with as a pass rusher, thats obvious when you look to see how much we could consistently pressure the other teams QB from the beginning of the year to a considerable dropoff after he went out. Plus we've got tons of guys who can put their hands down and pass rush like Suggs and Barnes and do so effectively.

Linebackers - Ravens > Cowboys

The Cowboys have some great linebackers in DeMarcus Ware and Zack Thomas. And Greg Ellis returned to some of his former glory and had an excellent pass rushing year. But after that I don't see a lot of depth and potential there. Other guys like Ayodele and Carpenter just dont seem to have panned out for this team as well as they should, but thats just from the limited amount of info I know about the Cowboys.

Meanwhile we have arguably one of the best linebacking corps at least for this upcoming year. There's Ray of course, but Bart and Terrell are exceptional players as well. Plus we have a bunch of young guys who are going to make big marks this year in Barnes, Gooden, Burgess, and maybe even Dan Cody if he can stay ininjured. Gotta give the edge to us.

Secondary - Ravens < Cowboys

Based on last year I have to give this one to the Cowboys. Ed and Dawan will be one of the best safety tandems this year, and with Nakamura backing them up we have another great option. Plus Leonhard has EXPERIENCE from playing with the Bills and he will be a solid backup too. I think the jury's still out on Tommy Z. What really hurt us as we all know last year was our cornerbacks. CMac still has it when he's healthy and Rolle is still a good leader and contributor as well, but age and in Samari's case as well, disorders got in the way. Our lack of experienced backups last year hurt us and everyone after CMac an Samari looked lost on the field half of the time. Adding Fabian, Frank, and Lenny who are all experience dguys will help out considerably and Fabian most likely will end up starting a few games this year IMO. Plus, maybe Pittman will develop into a better backup for us this year.

But as it stands, the Cowboys secondary last year was MUCH more effective than ours for the most part. Ken Hamlin is no Ed Reed but he is definitely a great safety in his own right. He and CB Terrance Newman will anchor this secondary again this year because both are exceptional players. Anthony Henry is solid CB who has been a good player for them as well, he's got some age on him though like CMac. Roy Williams is obviously the weak link in this secondary and he has never been that good of a player, especially when it comes to pass coverage. Other than that though, this group came together as a unit though and did a better job than our secondary did last year.

[Ravens_Pwn12]

ravens obvi lol

[FerrariFan87]

The Cowboys D always has numerous Pro-Bowlers, but that doesn't make their D any better than ours, and it certainly is not... with a healthy Pryce, an up-and-coming Antwan Barnes, a motivated T-Sizzle, and a rejuvenated Ray Ray our D is going to be frightening this year. Not to mention the under-appreciated (around the league, not here) Kelly "Buddy Lee" Gregg and the gentle giant Haloti Ngata

[b-morebrotha]

Lets not forget that perfect pass McNabb threw to his receiver in the 05 Super Bowl but dropped because he was "scared" to catch it which turned into the game winning interception.

Or Kyle Boller taking a snap under center

[raven43]

Is there a video of that anywhere like on youtube or something?

The mcnabb thing

[MDmid14]

Back to the Raven vs. the Cowboys. I give us the defensive edge, but they have a huge lead in the offensive department.

[rayvenfan_52]

Is there a video of that anywhere like on youtube or something?

The mcnabb thing

Im not sure. If there is its probably like 3 years old and youtube might not have it. Our defense is still better. They have a big edge on offense though.

[b-morebrotha]

Back to the Raven vs. the Cowboys. I give us the defensive edge, but they have a huge lead in the offensive department.

Hey, Cpt Obvious! Ravens "D" vs Cowboys "D". Care to explain Y we have the edge there buddy? Not that I dont think we don't i would just like your masterful insight on the actual topic

[ROH522155]

D Line: Advantage Ravens

Linebackers: Advantage Ravens

Secondary: Advantage Ravens

Defense: Advantage RAVENS

[MDmid14]

Hey, Cpt Obvious! Ravens "D" vs Cowboys "D". Care to explain Y we have the edge there buddy? Not that I dont think we don't i would just like your masterful insight on the actual topic

Alright there big fella lets calm it down and look at this position by position if you really want.

Starting up front: Nagta, Greg, Pryce, and Suggs vs. Spears, Ratliff, and Canty. This is a no brainer with Haloti and Kelly being the two most underrated players in the NFL. Pryce, if healthy is enough of a problem, not to mention how much he will free up Suggs from being double teamed like last year.

Linebackers: Johnson/Suggs, Lewis, Scott vs. Ellis, James, Thomas, and Ware. A little bit tougher to see a winner but my way of doing it is as follows. Say Ray and Thomas cancel each other out, same with Scott and Ware. That leaves proven vet Suggs and solid Jarret Johnson vs. Ellis and James. I'll take our guys anyday and their numbers speak for themselves. (136 tackles to 132 tackles), yeah its close but our guys didn't play as many downs as theirs.

Secondary: Washington/Rolle, C-Mac, Reed and Landry vs. Newman, Williams, Hamlin, Henry/Jones. I'm not too sure where Pacman will start but I don't see him being the difference maker. Both of these squads are incredibly talented and experienced. Reed is hands down the best player on this list and Roy Williams can't shine a light on him. Our weak spot is with Rolle and Washington compared to their two CB's. But then again we have C-Mac and Landry to their Hamlin and Henry/Newman. Stats wise the Cowboys were better but we were never healthy, so you have to take the numbers with a grain of salt.

Coordinators: Rex Ryan vs. Brian Stewart: Cut and dry.

Case closed, we have them beat.

[b-morebrotha]

Alright there big fella lets calm it down and look at this position by position if you really want.

Starting up front: Nagta, Greg, Pryce, and Suggs vs. Spears, Ratliff, and Canty. This is a no brainer with Haloti and Kelly being the two most underrated players in the NFL. Pryce, if healthy is enough of a problem, not to mention how much he will free up Suggs from being double teamed like last year.

Linebackers: Johnson/Suggs, Lewis, Scott vs. Ellis, James, Thomas, and Ware. A little bit tougher to see a winner but my way of doing it is as follows. Say Ray and Thomas cancel each other out, same with Scott and Ware. That leaves proven vet Suggs and solid Jarret Johnson vs. Ellis and James. I'll take our guys anyday and their numbers speak for themselves. (136 tackles to 132 tackles), yeah its close but our guys didn't play as many downs as theirs.

Secondary: Washington/Rolle, C-Mac, Reed and Landry vs. Newman, Williams, Hamlin, Henry/Jones. I'm not too sure where Pacman will start but I don't see him being the difference maker. Both of these squads are incredibly talented and experienced. Reed is hands down the best player on this list and Roy Williams can't shine a light on him. Our weak spot is with Rolle and Washington compared to their two CB's. But then again we have C-Mac and Landry to their Hamlin and Henry/Newman. Stats wise the Cowboys were better but we were never healthy, so you have to take the numbers with a grain of salt.

Coordinators: Rex Ryan vs. Brian Stewart: Cut and dry.

Case closed, we have them beat.

I can dig that not so sure about ray and thomas canceling out each other out though, Ray has an edge. Pacman is better than our nickel mr Washington I believe as well.

We win but i belive its closer than some have put it

[Ravens_Pwn12]

D Line: Advantage Ravens

Linebackers: Advantage Ravens

Secondary: Advantage Ravens

Defense: Advantage RAVENS

our LBS isnt as good, they got DeMarcus Ware and who do we got that is as good as him?

[smashmouth]

our D line isnt as good, they got DeMarcus Ware and who do we got that is as good as him?

WHAT? Kelly Gregg, Ngata, Pryce, Suggs(when He's there) And D Ware is a OLB, Suggs and Scott is not as good?