This Was The Time For Flacco To Finally Tell Cam To Shove His Playcalling

[Whitty Hutton]

If ever there was a time for Joe to step up and show he's an elite QB like he claimed himself to be, it was the 3rd quarter yesterday. When Cam came out with his genius I-form calls of either a dive up the middle or play-action and have everyone run go routes, Joe could have finally decided to get up to the line see the D and say "Screw this" and audibled to something more useful. Have some balls and a brain

[Ed_Reed20]

You wanted a still-developing QB with holes in his game to sop listening to the OC and call his own plays?

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Didn't happen

[grape drank]

the two draws on 2nd and 15, and 2nd on 17 which both summed up for a grand total of -1 yards were brilliant came, because the other 3 draws we called before that went for around -4 yards, it was very intelligent to assume we would get anything out of them in a more desperate situation. Thus putting our QB in a tough 3rd and 15/17 situation.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295203307' post='609812']
You wanted a still-developing QB with holes in his game to sop listening to the OC and call his own plays?
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My 8 year old cousin could have called better plays. I'm done with this still developing crap. In your 3rd year as a starter, 3rd year in the playoffs, you're cushion is gone. You're a man now

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1295203411' post='609821']
My 8 year old cousin could have called better plays. I'm done with this still developing crap. In your 3rd year as a starter, 3rd year in the playoffs, you're cushion is gone. You're a man now
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I high doubt your 8-year old cousin could have called better plays.

You have the right to be "done" with the "developing crap". Anyone who watches Joe knows he's still growing as a player. Playing in as many game as really hasn't sped up the developing process.

[rsw1177]

I'm sure Cameron is gonna hear it from more than just Joe!!! May not be in a public forum like we'd like to see, but it will happen.

[True]

IIRC Joe Flacco doesn't have a wrist band with plays on his arm so he can't really call his own plays.

[SteelerEmpire]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295203307' post='609812']
You wanted a still-developing QB with holes in his game to sop listening to the OC and call his own plays?
[/quote]

Ben is "actually" our O-Coordinator during games. He's been calling his own plays for years now. Maybe they should give Flacco that responsibility to call the plays that "He's" more comfortable with as opposed to someone standing on the side of the field out of play. Experimenting with that added responsibility "might" help bring him out.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='SteelerEmpire' timestamp='1295204286' post='609888']
Ben is "actually" our O-Coordinator during games. He's been calling his own plays for years now. Maybe they should give Flacco that responsibility to call the plays that "He's" more comfortable with as opposed to someone standing on the side of the field out of play. Experimenting with that added responsibility "might" help bring him out.
[/quote]

Ben is in his 7th year. Joe [i]should[/i] be given more responsibility but having him call his own plays wasn't the way to go at any point this season.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295203537' post='609830']
I high doubt your 8-year old cousin could have called better plays.

[/quote]
You obviously dont know Lil' Bubba....

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1295204712' post='609916']
You obviously dont know Lil' Bubba....
[/quote]

No, I don't know him.

Fact is, insubordination is not the way to go in a divisional play-off game.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1295203860' post='609855']
IIRC Joe Flacco doesn't have a wrist band with plays on his arm so he can't really call his own plays.
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that's just dumb.


So you're saying that if you don't have a wristband with plays, you can't call your own plays??

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295204816' post='609924']
No, I don't know him.

Fact is, insubordination is not the way to go in a divisional play-off game.
[/quote]
With your season and probably some of your teammates careers on the line and an inability to get 1st downs I say it is

[ravenswoman]

I don't know if Joe should be making his own calls. I would [i]think[/i] cam is smart enough to know if he has developed enough to do so. It's that take charge/fire side (still) I would like to see. Watch Trent Dilfer talk about when he was given the starting QB position. He said he told the OC I don't care how it was being done. This is what I think needs to be done, if you don't like it then don't use me. They did it his way. I'm not saying Dilfer is a great QB but it's his [i]mature[/i] attitude, take charge personality that impressed me.
Hopefully given time Joe will get there. I just hope it is in time for whatever veteran players we have left (hopefully Reed, Mason?) after this year to get another ring.

[True]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1295204977' post='609931']
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that's just dumb.


So you're saying that if you don't have a wristband with plays, you can't call your own plays??
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No. I am saying that Joe doesn't have as much control or allowed input on the offense as a more veteran QB.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1295205424' post='609953']
With your season and probably some of your teammates careers on the line and an inability to get 1st downs I say it is
[/quote]

Fair enough. But considering all problems Joe has, do you really think he's at the level where he can call his own plays and execute them like a Brady or Rodgers?

[usmccharles]

My gameplan would of been pretty simpl: completely abandon the run, you cant run the ball on the steelers, period. Put two backs in the backfield to help pickup the rushers and go from shotgun all day, give joe time to through, do little screen passes, etc. The coaching staff should of watched what the pats did to the steelers

[3-4ravdef509]

I think many of Flacco's problems stem from the poor playcalling to be honest. Holding on to the ball too long for example, is mostly caused by using only 1 and 2 Wr sets most of the time, and making those receivers run deep down the field routes when they aren't speed receivers. Thus Flacco has to wait for someone to get open, but many times no one does and he only has 2 options really to begin with. Now, throwing INT is on him, like that one last night. But having more options and spreading the field is where Joe's strengths are. Stop trying to force him to be something he isn't cam.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I'm sure Cam Cameron is packing his bag as we speak.

Who can come to Baltimore and really get the cyclinder going on the B-more's offense?

[krrock10]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1295206834' post='610056']
I'm sure Cam Cameron is packing his bag as we speak.

Who can come to Baltimore and really get the cyclinder going on the B-more's offense?
[/quote]

Guess thats the 5 million dollar question.

[DMH_in_WA]

I despise Cameron's play calling. It's unimaginative, it's predictable and for huge chunks of every game it's ineffective. Nothing says this more than the multiple plays on Saturday on 2nd and long where he calls for a run up the gut against arguably the best run defense on the planet.

That said, I do not want the offensive reins given over to a quarterback who takes a 10 yard loss because he can't remember to throw the ball away before stepping out of bounds; it speaks to situational awareness. Or a QB who still can't tell if pressure is coming up on him without taking his eyes off his receivers and looking back at the rushers (never even noticed this until I started watching games on HDTV). Or a QB who can't seem to track more than one receiver on the field with any regularity.

He's still developing. Just my opinion, but the last thing he needs is the added burden of calling the plays and the responsibility for the outcome of those plays.

[reediddy]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1295209305' post='610193']
I despise Cameron's play calling. It's unimaginative, it's predictable and for huge chunks of every game it's ineffective. Nothing says this more than the multiple plays on Saturday on 2nd and long where he calls for a run up the gut against arguably the best run defense on the planet.

That said, I do not want the offensive reins given over to a quarterback who takes a 10 yard loss because he can't remember to throw the ball away before stepping out of bounds; it speaks to situational awareness. Or a QB who still can't tell if pressure is coming up on him without taking his eyes off his receivers and looking back at the rushers (never even noticed this until I started watching games on HDTV). Or a QB who can't seem to track more than one receiver on the field with any regularity.

He's still developing. Just my opinion, but the last thing he needs is the added burden of calling the plays and the responsibility for the outcome of those plays.
[/quote]

I've said this before and I'll say it again: There's no doubt Flacco is improving statistically, but in terms of his decision making, it'll have to speed up and improve. He needs to make quicker reads and get the ball off, not second guess himself.

In terms of Cam, yes, it's unreal how predictable he is. Seriously, in the third quarter when he called pass (sack), run on 2nd and 15, another pass, on 2 straight drives? Unbelievable. Switch things up! The role of the offensive coordinator is to call plays to keep the defense off balance. Here and there he will eventually call a few good series, but he is so inconsistent.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='ravenswoman' timestamp='1295205565' post='609965']
I don't know if Joe should be making his own calls. I would [i]think[/i] cam is smart enough to know if he has developed enough to do so. It's that take charge/fire side (still) I would like to see. Watch Trent Dilfer talk about when he was given the starting QB position. He said he told the OC I don't care how it was being done. This is what I think needs to be done, if you don't like it then don't use me. They did it his way. I'm not saying Dilfer is a great QB but it's his [i]mature[/i] attitude, take charge personality that impressed me.
Hopefully given time Joe will get there. I just hope it is in time for whatever veteran players we have left (hopefully Reed, Mason?) after this year to get another ring.
[/quote]

Here is the thing. Is Joe ready to take over on offense a la Manning or Big Ben? No. He is only in his 3rd year. However, he should have been given many, many, many opportunities to go no-huddle and run the offense on his own this season. It is time. He cannot learn otherwise. He cannot truly lead this team otherwise. Cam REFUSED to do this. Cam REFUSED to even give Joe more chances to audible and change plays at the line of scrimmage. Cam is the problem here. And he needs to be gone.

[McBoller]

Joe couldnt have done that. But I will say the playcalling stunk. You'd tihnk aftr two regular season matchups Cam would have figured out that what works against some teams doesnt work against the steelers.

You know what works against a blitzing defense with over-agressive man-to-man corners? Trick plays, misdirection. How many of those plays did we run? oh yeah, none. I guess Cam thought we'd just line up, show them what we were going to do and do it anyways. Guess what, we cant do that YET.

[Militant X 1]

Cam Cameron's conservative play calling has crippled Joe's growth process as a QB!

Joe still looks like, acts like and thinks like a rookie (this knowledge is based on watching him for 3 years now). why? because of Cam Cameron. he has never taken the reigns off of Joe and it constantly shows in big games through his and the offenses horrible performances!

they say that Big Ben's new nickname is the "Raven-Killer." i beg to differ. i believe that Cam Cameron has earned that title in my book where the Ravens offense is concerned. "Fire the Man!"

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1295214367' post='610401']
Cam Cameron's conservative play calling has crippled Joe's growth process as a QB!

Joe still looks like, acts like and thinks like a rookie (this knowledge is based on watching him for 3 years now). why? because of Cam Cameron. he has never taken the reigns off of Joe and it constantly shows in big games through his and the offenses horrible performances!

they say that Big Ben's new nickname is the "Raven-Killer." i beg to differ. i believe that Cam Cameron has earned that title in my book where the Ravens offense is concerned. "Release the Man!"
[/quote]

Exactly! Cam is stunting Joe's growth. If Harbaugh can't see past his friendship with the man to do what needs to be done, then he needs to go as well. I like him as a coach alright but I do not think he has enough broad knowledge of the game to police his coordinators and know if what they are doing is good or bad.

[Jillester]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1295206834' post='610056']
I'm sure Cam Cameron is packing his bag as we speak.

Who can come to Baltimore and really get the cyclinder going on the B-more's offense?
[/quote]

I seriously doubt it, much to my chagrin.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1295213218' post='610354']
Here is the thing. Is Joe ready to take over on offense a la Manning or Big Ben? No. He is only in his 3rd year. However, he should have been given many, many, many opportunities to go no-huddle and run the offense on his own this season. It is time. He cannot learn otherwise. He cannot truly lead this team otherwise. Cam REFUSED to do this. Cam REFUSED to even give Joe more chances to audible and change plays at the line of scrimmage. Cam is the problem here. And he needs to be gone.
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i remember the pre-season game against the Giants they came out in the no huddle with spread receivers, and carved them up. Never saw it again unless in desperation late

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Whitty Hutton' timestamp='1295215260' post='610449']
i remember the pre-season game against the Giants they came out in the no huddle with spread receivers, and carved them up. Never saw it again unless in desperation late
[/quote]

Yep. That game gave me so much hope the Ravens could have an explosive offense this season.

We saw it on Joe's game-winning drive against the Steelers in Week 4 too.