#52 Shredding Our Offense

[Bullrush]

Finally somebody steps up and has the balls to say something our HC is supposed to say after such a devastating loss, choking away another superbowl appearance.

Ray basically said that the defense played lights out, but if the offense turns the ball over that many times it's hard to keep the Steelers out of your endzone. Points out the Rice fumble (momentum). "My defense" couldn't overcome all those turnovers, we played our hearts out.

The defense is really starting to get frustrated with the entire offense, hope John hears this and gets rid of Cameron. The players are definitely good enough on offense to help us win a superbowl.

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[#52BABY]

could not have said it better!

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1295181279' post='609014']
Finally somebody steps up and has the balls to say something our HC is supposed to say after such a devastating loss, choking away another superbowl appearance.

Ray basically said that the defense played lights out, but if the offense turns the ball over that many times it's hard to keep the Steelers out of your endzone. Points out the Rice fumble (momentum). "My defense" couldn't overcome all those turnovers, we played our hearts out.

The defense is really starting to get frustrated with the entire offense, hope John hears this and gets rid of Cameron. The players are definitely good enough on offense to help us win a superbowl.

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Leave it to Reverend Ray to put things in perspective. All class. Didn't hear him "shred" the offense, but he is spot on with the turnover comments.

Cam definitely needs to go. And we need a fullback and we need to shore up the O line. All of the other pieces are in place.

No hint at retirement from Ray, sounds like his plan now is to return. Hopefully he influences Ed to stay. Those guys still have football left in them.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

It's ironic how we have been the best 3rd quarter team for years and then well yeah. Ray seems really frustrated, and he should be.

[jdynamite]

He did not shred them he simply said that Defense played all out and had no reason to hold their heads because they left it on the field... With the turnovers that occurred he realized that was alot on their shoulders...

Ray is not a person that places blame on others and ESPN didnot show the full interview so they want people to believe that...the clip was much longer than that because I watched it LIVE on NFL Network..

NO mentioned he said he told his defense we will get this back next year hold your heads up

[KEHeartbreak]

Yeah, Ray said it, you can't really put much blame on the defense. It's one thing to turn it over, but to turn it over so close to the opponents red zone, just killer.

Such a weird game, it was honestly like the Ravens pissed off the football gods somehow. Now I know how Red Sox fans feel when they'd take on the Yankees before '04 or how the Suns' fans feel taking on the Spurs before last year.

Best way to get past Pitt is to beat them twice during the season and hope they miss the post season.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1295181279' post='609014']
Finally somebody steps up and has the balls to say something our HC is supposed to say after such a devastating loss, choking away another superbowl appearance.

Ray basically said that the defense played lights out, but if the offense turns the ball over that many times it's hard to keep the Steelers out of your endzone. Points out the Rice fumble (momentum). "My defense" couldn't overcome all those turnovers, we played our hearts out.

The defense is really starting to get frustrated with the entire offense, hope John hears this and gets rid of Cameron. The players are definitely good enough on offense to help us win a superbowl.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011011500/2010/POST19/ravens@steelers"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d81db4b7f/Ray-Lewis-on-loss
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Hmmm... I've seen this story before. The team is divided. Defense hates the offense. Guess Harbaugh didn't exactly change much. He was just a new face. Now it's more of the same.

[Bullrush]

You should try to read between the lines. When he says "we (defense) played our hearts out and they (offense) turn the ball over too many times" then that's as far as you can go without actually saying that the offense is terrible. He says what needs to be said, don't act like he's blaming people. It's a leader stepping up and making people accountable for their mistakes. Trying to wake this team up. He's not throwing anybody under the bus. Everybody kept their mouth shut last year, it didn't help us one bit. It helped us keep the staff together and not make any changes (*cough* Cameron *cough*), but that's another reason why we got kicked out again by Pittsburgh yesterday. Because this is the same team with the same lame offense we saw last year even though we have more weapons on offense than I'd say 90% of the teams in the NFL.

The playcalling, the approach, the playbook, Cam babying Flacco, Cam's idiotic choice to move Gaither to RT...all that needs to stop. Flacco needs to take this offense on his back. If he sees something let him audible and change the play. Let him throw the ball to whoever he wants to throw it to. Cameron handcuffed the entire offense and needs to be gone ASAP for Flacco and the rest of the group to take the next step. We're not getting anywhere with Cameron. He did a nice job getting Flacco ready for the NFL, but that's as far as he's gonna take him. Right now he's like a giant rock chained to Flacco's ankle.

[cuervodoro]

We need an effective (OC) that can utilize talent most efficiently and creeate cross-team synergy.

A 3-Headed Offensive Beast is unnecessary and overkill. Excees talent mat, furthermore, distract from developig talent thoroughly in one or maximun two WRs.
Maybe, The ravens have become confused, not knowing where to invest training and football development resources. Too many weapons not good thing = disorganized chaos.

Flacco's performance is very good,; howver, we would benefit from a relief very good QB, also for his comraderie and keep the game on.

[PuRock]

I knew this was coming. I was thinking boy Ray Lewis is going to have some good pressers this week, especially if he walks out the door.

The defense did the work yesterday. They force turnovers, put points on the board. Then when it was time for the offense to step up, they put the defense in bad positions.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Watching that video, I got the impression that he has unfinished business, and he's not ready to hang it up yet. Combine that with the fact that he didn't want to decrease the amount of time he plays yet, and I'm really hopeful that he returns.

[hawkprey]

The offense was just as anemic as it was with Kyle Boller and no wide receivers. Something big has to change.

[Jamal]

Like I've said before, his offense has been costing his defense for a decade now.

I don't blame him one bit. At least he has the guts to say what was wrong, instead of Harbs rambling on about how "proud" he is about our team.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1295191357' post='609197']
Hmmm... I've seen this story before. The team is divided. Defense hates the offense. Guess Harbaugh didn't exactly change much. He was just a new face. Now it's more of the same.
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What? How do you come to this conclusion? The locker room has never been tighter.

Of course Ray and the D are disappointed, they played their hearts out all year and the O came up short making mental errors when it mattered most. But there is no hate, no divide.

[TreTheRaven]

I love Ray. I love it when speaks. He talks about being a leader to his kids and watching how he acts after a game, as he wants them to grow up and learn from him. At the same time, I often wonder if he realizes that when people like you or I watch, part of us also grow up and learn from him as well. Such an inspirational leader.

I love you Ray - don't ever leave Baltimore.

[ebonynivory]

Can't say that I'm surprised. This is how it's always been, great defence and mediocre offense. This year looked like we had the pieces with boldin and housh, but they let us down. I liked flacco's composure.

I've said many times that cameron is a poor play caller. Singleback runs on the steelers? Come on. He started out great and then got off his game. Way to attack pass rush, screens! Watch the 1st quarter, look how well they worked. Also slipping te off of blocks.

The only way to stop home team momentum is getting at few 1st downs on next drive. Don't even need to score, but a 3 and out after they make it 21-14 is where we lost the game. That was the most important drive of the game and cam knows that. And those plays were all he could muster? Terrible.

Bottom line we gave game away.

[RayRiceFan27]

I dont know about "lights out". To me lights out is not allowing that long pass that webb gave up, or some of the other big gains they had. I would say they played amazing, but not "lights out". To me, when you play "lights out", you dont give up anything.

But I am glad he spoke up. The team has to start playing like a team, which means each side carrying their own weight, and occasionally helping the other side when needed. I would be angry if I was him, it seems like the Defense always has to carry the offense, and I can imagine it gets fustraing for them.

[Jamal]

[quote name='RayRiceFan27' timestamp='1295197168' post='609466']
I dont know about "lights out". To me lights out is not allowing that long pass that webb gave up, or some of the other big gains they had. I would say they played amazing, but not "lights out". To me, when you play "lights out", you dont give up anything.

But I am glad he spoke up. The team has to start playing like a team, which means each side carrying their own weight, and occasionally helping the other side when needed. I would be angry if I was him, it seems like the Defense always has to carry the offense, and I can imagine it gets fustraing for them.
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When your defense gets 5 sacks and a TD, I'd say thats pretty close to lights out. Webb just made a terrible play.

[FerrariFan87]

Our offense has cost this team at least 2 Super Bowls... drastic change is needed. Now.

[RayRiceFan27]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1295197327' post='609473']
When your defense gets 5 sacks and a TD, I'd say thats pretty close to lights out. Webb just made a terrible play.
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I guess its all on how different people interpret lights out. I agree with you that 5 sacks and a TD is pretty close, but for me to play lights out, you cant allow big gains. That one pass put them in scoring position, which you cant allow to happen.

[berad]

[quote name='RayRiceFan27' timestamp='1295197555' post='609483']
I guess its all on how different people interpret lights out. I agree with you that 5 sacks and a TD is pretty close, but for me to play lights out, you cant allow big gains. That one pass put them in scoring position, which you cant allow to happen.
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Yeah, especially within three minutes in the fourth quarter. That play was ridiculous.

If they don't let it happen, the Steelers punt and we are looking at Flacco and the offense trying to drive down for a game-winning FG or, at the least, overtime. The defense played well but they let some big plays slip through.

[redlobster]

I know that cheering for the Ravens has been tough the past 12 years or so. (by this I mean that the defense has generally kept every game close and the offense has been a nightmare to watch) Especially since 2000 when the defense has played well most seasons, only to have the offense do nothing and squander opportunity after opportunity. I wonder where they can go from here. Ray , while clearly still a great leader has lost a lot and is a liability in pass coverage. I can't blame him for being upset, although not getting a stop on 3rd and freaking 19 unacceptable. This team is so hard to decipher; lots of aging veteran leadership mixed with poor performers.

[Ed_Reed20]

The offense failed spectacularly but I wouldn't say the defense played "lights out" all game. They were put in tough situations in the third quarter when the offense was choking but also deserve some blame for the loss by giving up the first down on 3rd and 19 the ultimately, the game-winning TD.

[MMIller]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1295181279' post='609014']
Finally somebody steps up and has the balls to say something our HC is supposed to say after such a devastating loss, choking away another superbowl appearance.

Ray basically said that the defense played lights out, but if the offense turns the ball over that many times it's hard to keep the Steelers out of your endzone. Points out the Rice fumble (momentum). "My defense" couldn't overcome all those turnovers, we played our hearts out.

The defense is really starting to get frustrated with the entire offense, hope John hears this and gets rid of Cameron. The players are definitely good enough on offense to help us win a superbowl.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011011500/2010/POST19/ravens@steelers"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d81db4b7f/Ray-Lewis-on-loss
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[smashmouthfb11]

Flacco needs to make quicker decisions. Losing is not completely his fault. We need better play calling. If we ran the ball more and did more screens to Rice we would be better off. I would first get a new offensive cordinator who has an education past the 1st grade before I would get rid of the player who does what he's told by a coach who makes irrational decisions like throwing a hail mary on 3rd and one. Also when we are within the 10 yard line why don't we run Mcclain.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='smashmouthfb11' timestamp='1295198493' post='609518']
Flacco needs to make quicker decisions. Losing is not completely his fault. We need better play calling. If we ran the ball more and did more screens to Rice we would be better off. I would first get a new offensive cordinator who has an education past the 1st grade before I would get rid of the player who does what he's told by a coach who makes irrational decisions like throwing a hail mary on 3rd and one. [b]Also when we are within the 10 yard line why don't we run Mcclain.[/b]
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Because there's no one to block for him and the interior o-line rarely pushes people off the ball.

[MMIller]

No one, and I mean NO ONE thinks Cameron is lamer than I. In fact, I will go so far as to say, until I stated on the Ken Wyman show that Cameron sucked no one was saying anything about him. But He did not fumble that ball and he did not throw that interception. He did not call a good game true, but he also could not control Joe reverting back to the rookie quarter back I saw last night. We need Joe to begin maturing and throwing to a spot and trusting his receivers to get to that spot. Not throwing to the receiver after he reaches the spot so everyone in town can get there too! That is when we will win these games!

[True]

If Ray Lewis returns for the 2011 season this could be some very telling comments. You want to avoid a divided locker room where one side of the team is frustrated with the other. Harbaugh will have to do like Billick and really hold the team together towards some tough times like he did during the 2000 season. If the Ravens keep winning this could all be swept under the rug, but if they start losing like in 2007 the locker room could really be in chaos.

Someone, anyone, on the offense has to rally them. They have no leader and person to take charge and hold them accountable like Ray does for the defense. Maybe it is time for Joe to be the vocal leader and take control of the offense. Or even Ray Rice (I remember Ed Reed said to Rice how he had to be the leader of the offense a couple weeks back) but whoever it is, they have to do their part. Say what you will about Trent Dilfer, but during the SB run, he was that guy on offense that helped to turn it around not only through his play, but his words as well. Flacco, Rice, Boldin, or whomever has to take that role.

[Bltravens]

See honestly after about week 13 I gave up on the notion that our offense was capable of putting up points and being efficient. It just wasnt possible with our personnel. Really if you think about it we have 3 Derrick Mason's at WR, Boldin isnt as smooth a route runner but he's more physical than Mason, but like Mason he doesnt have any top end speed, and struggles against the press (something I didnt think he would considering how big and strong he is), TJ is Mason light just taller. That puts into light all the more ridiculous move of never playing Stallworth at all. When you look at the Steelers gameplan last night they routinely had 2 deep safeties when we went into the gun, and just let their corners play underneath on routes, gave them room to take chances on breaks. Our WRs put no fear into anyone with a chance to get beat vertically.


Definitely agree with the notion that offenses have cost Ray and Ed 1 super bowl forsure, and possibly a 2nd.

[JO_75]

Defense played lights out.... I agree but I didn't realize lights out meant allowing the Steelers offense to score 20 points on us and erasing a 14 point lead we had.