Let's Criticize Flacco Here

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='bmoreboy02' timestamp='1295232254' post='611428']
Mark bulger did a hell of alot more in st.louis with not as many weapons as flacco....i think the ravens need to make flacco compete for his job next season
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Really? Last time I checked Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce were three of the better weapons the league has ever seen.

Who would you have the Ravens bring in to compete with Joe?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='bmoreboy02' timestamp='1295232254' post='611428']
Mark bulger did a hell of alot more in st.louis with not as many weapons as flacco....i think the ravens need to make flacco compete for his job next season
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He did? Hahahahahahahaha

He never once threw 25 TDs and its Marc, with a "c"

[AussiieeRavens]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1295232091' post='611422']
I know, Im stilled pissed that Cam fumbled, threw a pick, got beat deep and made those costly penalties!
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the fumble, pick, got beat deep and the costly penalties was caused buy the crappy play calling in those situations and stupid refs!!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295232111' post='611424']
I'm not expecting Brady or Manning. Those players don't come around often.

I don't see how saying he's "okay but not great" implies anything. To me, that's simply the reality of the situation right now.

I don't expect him to be great right now either. Someone said he was earlier and I disagreed. Then some clown took a shot at me and I responded.
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I apologize for misreading what you were trying to say. I guess I'm a little ultra sensitive on this topic since some of the other clowns have been hitting the threads hard with "we won't win until we get a new QB" etc etc etc.

Guess all the clowns are out in full force after the loss.

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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1295232473' post='611441']
I apologize for misreading what you were trying to say. I guess I'm a little ultra sensitive on this topic since some of the other clowns have been hitting the threads hard with "we won't win until we get a new QB" etc etc etc.

Guess all the clowns are out in full force after the loss.
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I understand the clowns certainly are out. It's making for some fun banter though.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1295232091' post='611422']
I know, Im stilled pissed that Cam fumbled, threw a pick, got beat deep and made those costly penalties!
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I was wondering why Cam was on the field. Guess that's what happens when a 49-year-old man plays football...oh yeah, Brett Favre!

In all seriousness, I think what everyone is saying is that right now Joe isn't great. I don't think anyone is dismissing the fact that he won't be. If anyone's saying that then I think they are seriously underestimating the guy and are probably talking in the heat of the moment. We'll have to see what happens next season to really evaluate the guy. Maybe he just doesn't have the confidence in himself yet to succeed. That could be the reason why Cam doesn't let him audible a lot.

I really don't know what the deal is. I'm happy with Joe's performance so far...except for that first game in Cincinnati this year...

[Ravenslifer]

Here's the most important queston? Is he our qb next year and going forward. To me, the answer is yes, because he's the best option out there. Will all of his flaws, I would take maybe Brady, Petyon, Brees, Rivers, Ben, Rodgers, and that's it, over him (I'll leave Vick out until I see him 2 years in a row). And I certainly wouldn't draft Jake Locker or Cam Newton to replace him. At the very least, he's proven stats wise that he's a top 10 qb in rating (7th) and just outside the top 10 in completion percentage this year, with a very unstable o-line. (by comparison, Mark "Sanchize" is 29th in the league, and boasts an incredible 55 percent completion percentage). He's earned the right to start next season.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='bmoreboy02' timestamp='1295232254' post='611428']
Mark bulger did a hell of alot more in st.louis with not as many weapons as flacco....i think the ravens need to make flacco compete for his job next season
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Wrong. His best statistical season was his rookie year, 02, when he only played seven games. Plus, like other people mentioned, he had a Hall of Famer in Tory Holt, another possible one in Issac Bruce, a HOF running back in Marshall Faulk, and most importantly, his o-coordinators knew how to use what they had properly.

[bmoreboy02]

Lets see...faulk...holt and bruce arent rice..mclain...mcgahee...boldin....heap...mason...hushmanzadeh. not to mention there horrible defense. He new every night was a shoot out down there and they still kept winning. If you remember baltimore went down there and got handled. Apparently we didnt learn our lesson from bolder. Stop making excuses for him. he looked scared in the 2nd half. We apparently hired the wrong coach 3 years ago as well because we let the better one go to new york! I love the ravens but 3 trips to the playoffs and still nothin to show....were the philadelphia eagles of a few years ago

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[quote name='bmoreboy02' timestamp='1295233236' post='611479']
Lets see...faulk...holt and bruce arent rice..mclain...mcgahee...boldin....heap...mason...hushmanzadeh. not to mention there horrible defense. He new every night was a shoot out down there and they still kept winning. If you remember baltimore went down there and got handled. Apparently we didnt learn our lesson from bolder. Stop making excuses for him. he looked scared in the 2nd half. We apparently hired the wrong coach 3 years ago as well because we let the better one go to new york! I love the ravens but 3 trips to the playoffs and still nothin to show....were the philadelphia eagles of a few years ago
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Wow...

Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Steven Jackson in the early and even mid-2000s is STILL better than the players the Ravens have right now.

Did Joe look scared when he threw a perfect pass to Boldin in the end-zone? Did he look scared when he threw a pass to Houshmandzadeh on 4th and long?

We didn't hire the wrong coach. That's a foolish way to think when you consider [b][size="3"]the Jets are a more talented team[/size][/b].

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='bmoreboy02' timestamp='1295233236' post='611479']
Lets see...faulk...holt and bruce arent rice..mclain...mcgahee...boldin....heap...mason...hushmanzadeh. not to mention there horrible defense. He new every night was a shoot out down there and they still kept winning. If you remember baltimore went down there and got handled. Apparently we didnt learn our lesson from bolder. Stop making excuses for him. he looked scared in the 2nd half. We apparently hired the wrong coach 3 years ago as well because we let the better one go to new york! I love the ravens but 3 trips to the playoffs and still nothin to show....were the philadelphia eagles of a few years ago
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What are you smoking? Faulk is a Hall of Fame caliber player, 10th all time in ruhing yards, 7th in rushing touchdowns. Holt probably will be in too, as will Bruce, since they're 10th and 3rd all time in receiving yards (by comparison, Boldin is 66th). Bruce is also 9th all time in receiving TDs. Not to mention, I watched those guys; they were all great. Better than what we have now. The guys we have now are still talented, but nowhere near who they used to be. Maybe you should be more careful who you start naming when you want to make comparisons.

[johnmike72]

How can people complain so much about Flacco?I think he has done pretty good so far,especially only being his third year.I admit he makes mistakes and i do get mad at times with him,but when you have NO kind of offensive line to give you time in the pocket what do you expect.And what about the receivers who drop balls at crucials times?I tell you what though look at Peytons rookie year and compare it to Flaccos.You people just need to get off of Flacco.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Black&Gold' timestamp='1295236138' post='611588']
I grew up in Pittsburgh. Fans there said the same thing about Terry Bradshaw his first few years, even after he started winning. Now he has four rings. What really makes me laugh reading all these posts is that no one acknowledges that the Ravens were playing the #1 defense in the NFL. The Ravens self-destructed? Look what Pittsburgh did in the first quarter. Live ball on the ground and they just look at it. Fumble caused by the knee of teammate, not forced by the Ravens. Just face it. Pittsburgh beat you again. The game was only close because the Steelers almost gave it to you on silver plater.
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You started off humble, but then just turned into the quintessential Steeler fan. You won, we get it. We beat you in one half of football and you beat us in the other. Tale of two halves and you came out victorious. Now, just learn to win graciously with some civility and class.

[flynismo]

I havent heard so many stupid comments concentrated into one thread in my life.Since roethlisberger won 2 SB in his first 6 years (the only qb other than Brady to accomplish that I believe), that means Flacco is supposed to do the same? Thats idiotic.I could go on about the other dumb statements made, but really, this is just getting played out. I dont care anymore. You can lead a horse to water, but...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1295241707' post='611909']
I havent heard so many stupid comments concentrated into one thread in my life.Since roethlisberger won 2 SB in his first 6 years (the only qb other than Brady to accomplish that I believe), that means Flacco is supposed to do the same? Thats idiotic.I could go on about the other dumb statements made, but really, this is just getting played out. I dont care anymore. You can lead a horse to water, but...
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I've been having a blast with these people.....I've posted more today than any other day. Its crazy around here!

[flynismo]

,[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1295241810' post='611914']<br />I've been having a blast with these people.....I've posted more today than any other day.  Its crazy around here!<br />[/quote]


what's the old expression about arguing with fools?
They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience?

This is a trap thread!,,,,

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1295144003' post='607368']
His decision making is not where it should be for a third year QB. Throwing to Heap in double coverage like that, [b][size="4"]running out of bounds for a 9 yd loss instead of throwing the ball away. [/size][/b]Things like that make me wonder how good he will get.
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Good point, I know I witnessed that at least 5 times this season. Why take a loss when you can just throw the ball away? I do feel that Joe is our future. However, I think he's still off on the maturation process for a QB. Trust me guys, he's the best QB we've had.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1295280368' post='612451']<br />Good point, I know I witnessed that at least 5 times this season.  Why take a loss when you can just throw the ball away?  I do feel that Joe is our future.  However, I think he's still off on the maturation process for a QB.  Trust me guys, he's the best QB we've had.<br />[/quote]


he was avoiding a heavy rush. Yes, he could have balled up and throw it away every time our OL gets beat, but why do that?
Rather he tried to extend the play. He couldn't find an open man and by that time the outside rush was closing in on him. He chose to duck out of bounds rather than taking a hit. He probably didnt think he had enough time to throw the pass away since he also had Harrison(?) coming up from behind him and didnt want a repeat of what happened to Roethlisberger (getting the ball knocked loose while winding up for a pass).
Really not that big of a deal.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[JEEPercreepermd]

I'm so sick and tired of all the Flacco belly aching. He's by far the best Quarterback that this organization has ever had and he will be the quarterback for a long time.

Here's the problem. The Ravens as a whole continually miss opportunities to put their self in the best possible positions. They could have hosted that game on Saturday had they not lost to them earlier in the year. They could have had the #1 seed in the AFC had they not let the Patriots come back and beat them. Jeeze this team had every chance to go 16-0 if you really look close.

Flacco WAS the Ravens offense on saturday, he had no help. The Ravens have to continue to grow and build the offense around him.

[Clutch Ravens]

Flacco's our guy, deal with it.

He has his flaws, but how many QBs didn't at age 25?

I'm just glad Joe can't see all these "fans" try and throw him under the bus every time something goes wrong.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1295284389' post='612623']
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he was avoiding a heavy rush. Yes, he could have balled up and throw it away every time our OL gets beat, but why do that?
Rather he tried to extend the play. He couldn't find an open man and by that time the outside rush was closing in on him. He chose to duck out of bounds rather than taking a hit. He probably didnt think he had enough time to throw the pass away since he also had Harrison(?) coming up from behind him and didnt want a repeat of what happened to Roethlisberger (getting the ball knocked loose while winding up for a pass).
Really not that big of a deal.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Skip to 6:27 and watch the play. He had room to wind up and get rid of that football. I'm pretty sure Joe is aware he isn't fleet of foot so there was no way he was going to outrun Harrison, turn up the field and throw the football. On the play Roethlisberger was stripped, he was in the pocket, pumping the ball for days. On the play in question, the only option Joe had had to get rid of the ball. To me, it's a big deal because he's done it before and seemingly didn't learn during the season it's not a smart play.

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[Mick0311]

We have to have a good OL for him to play well. Look, I love Flacco, but he breaks down when he has to improvise at times. He had Boldin wide open early while scrambling, Boldin waving his hand. Didn't see him, not that Boldin would have caught it most likely in this game lol. We were just bad all around in the second half. Flacco is fine, we just need to get the OL back in order.

[bpytnjr58]

Joe has accomplished a lot in a short time..i feel he is not getting the tutoring he needs to develope into one of the elites and Cameron's style of offense is a contributing factor.

[love2glow]

[quote name='krrock10' timestamp='1295186057' post='609091']
Right. When you are drafted out of Delaware, that takes the longest to develop. Its not like they are running an NfL system there.

All:I dont undertstand why people want Flacco to be an "elite" quarteback. How many quarterbacks in history has been elite in their third year, especially out of a tier 2 football college? Flacco's qb rating went from 80 to 89 to 93.6. If you arent happy with that, then go home. FLacco's td's went from 14 to 21 to 25. Int's went from 12 to 12 to 10.

In brady's first 4 years (didnt play much in the first),

QB rating- 42, 86, 86, 86

TD- 0, 18, 28, 23

INT- 0, 12, 14, 12

Would anyone prefer Brady? Give me a break. Let Flacco develop. name one guy you would want over FLacco? Yeah, the guy needs to read defenses better. Could cut down on the turn overs, but the guy had NO o-line and NOT one received who could get any separation.

Is Flacco elite: I dont care
Is FLacco a great option who has shown consistent progress: yes, and on top of that, he is a great guy within the coomunity and represents the team well
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agreed! & I will never want BRADY to represent the Ravens EVER!