Glad Rex Aint Our Coach.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295467132' post='617687']
I forgot, Rex and the Jets are excused for all their mistakes in the past because they won a couple of playoff games
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I just wanna know what we did to deserve all these Rex Ryan fanboys coming onto the forum to tell us how hes Lombardi version 2.0 injected with no filter to his mouth.

[berad]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1295467325' post='617693']
I just wanna know what we did to deserve all these Rex Ryan fanboys coming onto the forum to tell us how hes Lombardi version 2.0 injected with no filter to his mouth.
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I guess we didn't bend over and kiss his toes, like they do. Too soon?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295467460' post='617699']
I guess we didn't bend over and kiss his toes, like they do. Too soon?
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lol might have just added some fuel to the fire

[Rice-Is-Nice]

Lol no question Rex is controversial and often plays the buffoon, but the way he has brought his team together and has them winning games says a lot about him as a coach. The Jets have won 4 playoff games on the road in the past 2 years with a shaky and inexperienced QB.

I love Harbaugh as a coach, and his brother is possibly my favorite QB of all time. It's hard to look objectively at your own team, and if the Jets weren't winning I might be less forgiving of some of Rexs off the field behavior, but right now I think he is one of the top coaches in the league. If he can sustain that kind of success in the spotlight of NY is another story...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Rice-Is-Nice' timestamp='1295464797' post='617611']
Haha I love how you refuse to give Rex any credit. You know how many talented teams there are in the NFL?? A TON! How did the Cowboys do this year with arguably the most talented roster in the league? How do the Redskins do every year? How did the Chargers do this year with the #1 ranked offense AND defense?

[b]I'm not refusing to give Rex any credit. He's a [b]VERY GOOD COACH[/b]. I'm just not going to kowtow to the belief he's untouchable like so many Ravens fans seem to imply.

To your point about talented teams around the NFL, there really aren't that many. Many teams have individual talent but not a lot are talented form top to bottom, especially along the trenches like both sides of the ball.

Despite some recognizable names, the Cowboys really aren't. Their offensive skill players can hold up against anyone in the league but the numerous games where they failed to convert key short yardage runs is proof alone their o-line was an issue. On defense, their pass defense was terrible, thanks to poor secondary play. They weren't stellar against the run when they had to be either.

The Redskins always have recognizable names but they have issues in the trenches too and their skill players on offense are average at best.

The Chargers' high offense and defensive rankings was mitigated by some piss-poor special teams play and numerous key turnovers.[/b]

Before the season started all this board had to say about the Jets was that they were probably the most overrated team in the league. Then the Jets were 'screwing' themselves by signing so many big names. According to all the critics there was no way all bad characters they signed would work out, and this team would just be dysfunctional and fall apart.

[b]And we were wrong. I'm sure as a Jets fan before the season, you envisioned Shonn Greene rushing for at least 1000 yards, no? That didn't happen. Did you see the Jets scoring 9 total points in two consecutive games? Pundits, analysts and especially fans are wrong all the time.[/b]

Look what happened, Rex Ryan has the Jets playing their hearts out for him. These so called trouble makers and bad teammates have all come together and bought into what Rex is selling 100%. You think any coach could have come in and brought a rookie QB to the AFCCG 2 years in a row? Hell maybe they win the Superbowl with Harbs as a coach last year, but it's pretty ludicrous to say Rex hasn't done an amazing job as the coach of the Jets.

[b]They certainly played hard for Rex. But let's not pretend like they played above themselves or overachieved somehow. This was a team that was a bona fide Super Bowl contender until a late-season collapse -- partly because of a certain QB we know -- the season before Rex arrived. They already had a great foundation, especially in the trenches. And the personnel has been bolstered even more since Rex was hired.

I've never said Rex hasn't done a a good job with that team. I still believe Harbaugh's job was more difficult though considering the team [i]he[/i] inherited was coming off a 5-11 season and had far more uncertainty than the Jets had going into '09.[/b]

I understand being defensive about the coach of your team when you like the guy and have been relatively successful the past few years. I don't blame Ravens fan for preferring Harbaugh over Rex at all... I think he's a really good coach myself. But to not recognize what Rex has done for the Jets is just being naive.

[b]I'm probably not giving Rex enough credit but that stems from biasness on my part and honestly, with what happened over the weekend, a little jealously. The guy has done a lot for that team. What irks is me however, is when he's credited for all the success like he isn't surrounded by very competent team officials, coaches and players or when people imply he walked into a situation similar to the one Mike Smith did in '08 or to a lesser extent, Harbaugh did the same year.[/b]
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[Bltravens]

[quote name='Rice-Is-Nice' timestamp='1295467958' post='617716']
Lol no question Rex is controversial and often plays the buffoon, but the way he has brought his team together and has them winning games says a lot about him as a coach. The Jets have won 4 playoff games on the road in the past 2 years with a shaky and inexperienced QB.

I love Harbaugh as a coach, and his brother is possibly my favorite QB of all time. It's hard to look objectively at your own team, and if the Jets weren't winning I might be less forgiving of some of Rexs off the field behavior, but right now I think he is one of the top coaches in the league. If he can sustain that kind of success in the spotlight of NY is another story...
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So what is the root of your issues, I dont think anyone will deny Rex is a talented defensive coach, and can get players to play for him through his "no reins" approach to his players.

[Rice-Is-Nice]

I agree with pretty much everything you posted there Ed_Reed20, good stuff. I do give coaches a lot of credit though for how a team performs... possibly too much. I think the Chargers might crush teams with a better coach. Cowboys should have gotten rid of Wade Phillips a while ago, and I'm not sure Garrett is the answer. I think if they had an emotional coach who could get that team fired up they could definitely be a force. Passive coaches breed passive players, and that's been the cowboys main problem the last few years IMO. I think the Chargers would be a perennial powerhouse with a different coach. The Redskins clearly have no idea how to build a solid lineup from top to bottom, so I don't think any coach could do much with that group.

Harbaugh is a good coach, and having to stomach some of the less knowledgeable fans of your team make emotional and reactionary statements about benching Flacco and firing Harbaugh will make anyone defensive. You should see Jets message boards after any loss. We are so used to collapses that when anything goes wrong everyone assumes the worst and wants to capsize the whole ship and start from scratch. The truth is the Ravens are always there at the end of the year, a few plays from going to the Superbowl. From the beginning of the year the team I wanted to face the least in the playoffs was the Ravens (although by the end of the year I have to admit I was pretty afraid of the Patriots).

[Rice-Is-Nice]

My one questions about the Ravens coaching staff comes from a seeming inability to close games. A lack of a 'killer instinct', if you will. I admit to not having really done my research here, and am just wondering if there is anything to this. Maybe it's just coincidence that the games I have caught seem to have ended this way? I always remember the Ravens as being good closers, but this year it has seemed quite the opposite.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Rice-Is-Nice' timestamp='1295472803' post='617897']
My one questions about the Ravens coaching staff comes from a seeming inability to close games. A lack of a 'killer instinct', if you will. I admit to not having really done my research here, and am just wondering if there is anything to this. Maybe it's just coincidence that the games I have caught seem to have ended this way? I always remember the Ravens as being good closers, but this year it has seemed quite the opposite.
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Which is why I think we were so mad at times this year I think, we could close out games in the past and we were built to close games out in the 4th quarter in the past. Solid run game, tough defense, but the offense couldnt run the ball this year and put our defense on the field for ridiculous periods of time (70 plays twice in a game this season) makes it real difficult to close games out.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Rice-Is-Nice' timestamp='1295472803' post='617897']
My one questions about the Ravens coaching staff comes from a seeming inability to close games. A lack of a 'killer instinct', if you will. I admit to not having really done my research here, and am just wondering if there is anything to this. Maybe it's just coincidence that the games I have caught seem to have ended this way? I always remember the Ravens as being good closers, but this year it has seemed quite the opposite.
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Personally, I'm sick of the term "killer instinct". The Ravens coaching staff definitely has its deficiencies but without players skilled to take the will away from the teams, no team is going have "killer instinct".

The Ravens had plenty of "killer instinct" in '08 and '09 when they could sit on leads simply by shoving the rock down the throats of opposing defenses. With the o-line not as good this season for a number of reasons though, they couldn't run the ball consistently. Paying with a still-developing QB also prevented the team from consistently being able to either put teams away or eke out close victories.

The offensive coordinator did some of the most moronic things from a play-calling and philosophy standpoint this season I've ever seen but to put the offense's failures all on him never made sense to me.

[Rice-Is-Nice]

Yea it's a BS term which is why I threw it in quotes. I wasn't able to quantify what I was seeing myself, so I was wanted to see what you guys had to say. As Bltravens said, inability to run the ball makes a lot of sense. Give the Ravens a better offensive line and I think they might be the best team in the league. If your defense spends too much time on the field, especially a defense with some older players, it's hard to keep up with fast paced offenses in the 4th quarter. That mixed with some questionable play calling makes a lot more sense to me than some vague sense of missing a 'killer instinct'.

[Ravenslifer]

Just making a list of some of the people I think are the greatest coaches of all time and at present, or in recent memory. Bellichick, Bill Walsh, Gibbs, Landry, Shula, Lombardi, Tomlin, Cowher, etc. To the best of my ability, just about all of them were/are soft spoken coaches, the type that do everything NOT to stir up controversies and focus on maintaining discipline and respect in their locker rooms. I compare Rex to his father Buddy, to guys like Dennis Green, guys who yell and scream and call other players garbage. It just happens to me my opinion that a head coach need to be above all of that. If it's an NFL player, fine, he's representing mostly himself. But a coach represents the entire team, the city, and maybe it's just me, but I feel coaches belong in the background. Now, there are the Phil Jacksons of the world, but I don't recall him ever talking until he had three rings, and since he has 10 now, I'd say if he wants to play psychological warfare, he can. But even still, I don't here either him or his players trying to publicly humiliate other players. I don't here about his players being rude to female reporters, regardless of how they dressed. Maybe I'm in the wrong here, but something about that has never sat right with me, and I will always look down on people that feel they need to treat others that way just to have more attention put on themselves. Besides, if the Jets don't win the Superbowl, it just makes them look even more like fools.

[Rice-Is-Nice]

[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36176/rex-ryan-masterful-in-molding-jets-roster"]http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36176/rex-ryan-masterful-in-molding-jets-roster[/url]

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[quote]Since Rex Ryan has taken over as Jets head coach, they have undergone substantial roster turnover and reached the AFC Championship Game both years. They will play the Steelers on Sunday at Heinz Field for a ticket to the Super Bowl.

When the Jets lost to the Colts in AFC title game last year, it was a great sign for a team on the make. One would expect a reluctance to tinker with a good thing.

But by June, Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum had turned over 25 percent of their roster. Only eight teams, most of them rebuilding organizations, had gotten rid of more players.

"If I thought there was any flaw about somebody else, maybe from a character standpoint as far as what kind of leader they were as a teammate and all that type of stuff, we just moved on," Ryan said. "Not saying they can't play in the NFL; they just couldn't play for us.

"I wanted guys that are great teammates, that care about each other, that are committed to winning and committing to building each other up. And that's what we have. We have a whole team of those right now."

[b]Only 23 players on the Jets' active roster were here when Ryan arrived in 2009.[/b] [/quote]

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Rice-Is-Nice' timestamp='1295551512' post='619171']
[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36176/rex-ryan-masterful-in-molding-jets-roster"]http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36176/rex-ryan-masterful-in-molding-jets-roster[/url]

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He has made some good moves, theres no debating that, but the moves he's made have win now written all over them. Their UFA's at the end of the year are beyond numerous and all the ones I can think of are starting impact players. He also would'nt have been able to make some of these moves if their was a cap back. They front loaded the crap out of Mangold and Ferguson's contracts so that they could keep both. Its a smart move, personally Im surprised we didnt do that with Ngata this year, but one also governed by luck of timing with how many UFAs they have. They have some serious scouting, and serious moves to make this off season with alot of their impact players.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Rice-Is-Nice' timestamp='1295551512' post='619171']
[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36176/rex-ryan-masterful-in-molding-jets-roster"]http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36176/rex-ryan-masterful-in-molding-jets-roster[/url]
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Amusing how the article brings up Trevor Pryce as an example of Rex's [i]analytical conviction[/i] and yet says nothing of his production, or lack thereof.

As for the 23 players, they are some of the best on the team. Revis, Harris, Pace, Ellis, Pouha, DeVito, Eric Smith, Ihedigbo, Mangold, Ferguson, Keller, Smith, Cotchery and Richardson. There's always going to be roster turnover in the NFL but the Jets have taken that to the extreme from '09 to now with their "win now" approach like Blt said. We'll see if it pays off.

[Bltravens]

Rex just used the term "Mighty Men" to describe his locker room and why they were going to win lol. Come on man

[sflegend89]

Had Ravens beat pitt and it wouldn't even cross anyone's mind, and that loss wasn't Harbs fault

[ryan23945]

haha ya im glad hes the coach of another team and im glad that team has been to the afc championship 2 years running, so glad thats not us

come to think of it wasnt he our dc in 2008, u know the year we went to the afc championship, man im glad hes not on our staff

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

[quote name='Sizzle' timestamp='1295117437' post='604664']
I hate the jets. Pretty much it. The whole organization talks trash all day for no reason at all. I'm sure if Rex was coaching here, that would be us. I believe it starts from the top. HAIL OZ.
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Rex might talk the talk, but he WALKS the WALK!

[berad]

Rex does more limping than walking, his team performs.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295368400' post='615138']
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Ines is hot and she knows it!

but.....that doesn't mean that because of her dress attire that she was "asking for it" like some have said. that type of talk will land you in jail! lol!

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295817150' post='621917']
Rex does more limping than walking, his team performs.
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Thats funny! Did you see Deion's impression on NFL network?

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1295817566' post='621929']
Ines is hot and she knows it!

but.....that doesn't mean that because of her dress attire that she was "asking for it" like some have said. that type of talk will land you in jail! lol!
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probably high maintenance too!

[berad]

Apparently we have [color="#0000FF"][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/23/rex-ryan-says-those-who-criticize-the-jets-really-got-no-right/"]"no right"[/url][/color] to criticize the Jets...

That's cool, Rex, even though you personally invited it at every turn.

[PuRock]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295842251' post='622634']
Apparently we have [color="#0000FF"][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/23/rex-ryan-says-those-who-criticize-the-jets-really-got-no-right/"]"no right"[/url][/color] to criticize the Jets...

That's cool, Rex, even though you personally invited it at every turn.
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So you can come out and talk all the smack in the world and look like pompous asses, but you aren't allowed to be criticized? That's some hypo stuff.

Your right he put it on a silver platter for us 'criticizers'.

[berad]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1295842368' post='622638']
So you can come out and talk all the smack in the world and look like pompous asses, but you aren't allowed to be criticized? That's some hypo stuff.

Your right he put it on a silver platter for us 'criticizers'.
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I'm obviously not a fan of Rex, so I'll take any shot I can at him but this is well-deserved...

If you talk like you're the best, you damn well better be able to be man enough to handle the critics when your team doesn't perform. Not telling everyone they have [i]"no right"[/i] to question the Jets that's akin to [i]"leave Britney alone!"[/i]

If you talk the talk and can't walk the walk, you'd better accept it and the criticism that comes with it. /myrant

[AwakenTheDemon]

Another year of running his mouth and saying the Jets are the Super Bowl champions, another year sitting on the sidelines [i]watching[/i] the Super Bowl instead.

You know, maybe Rex should start self-proclaiming the Jets to be the next AFC Champions, or even AFC East Champions. You know, start out small, Rex. That way you don't have quite as much egg on your face when it all crashes and burns. Well, I'm sure you like eggs, so you'd want as much of it as you could get.