Glad Rex Aint Our Coach.

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1295336017' post='614600']
Where did that come from?
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Calvin Pace was suspended in 2009 for the juice.

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295327227' post='614501']
Rex Ryan backs up his talk with what? People act like Rex Ryan has won something.

It's not just about the "smack" talk, it's about the circus the Jets have become. Players being disrespectful, multiple player legal issues, player steroid usage, multiple training camp/practice issues, talked down about Baltimore when he was a Jet, talked smack before our game and got spanked, Trip-Gate, foot fetish creepiness, among others things. Those are just some reasons I dislike Rex Ryan.

And I couldn't care less who wins the AFCCG if we're not in it. Looking for an NFC SB champion this year...
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In his first two years as a HC, he's 4-1 in the playoffs (all on the road) and has now gone to two straight AFC Championship games. It's not like we've played some posers like the KC Chiefs either. The guy has wins over the likes of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Philip Rivers in the playoffs during his short career. Again, all on the road. To ignore that and say it's not impressive is just stupid.


And what the hell? Are you just throwing out random allegations or something? Multiple player legal issues? Like who? The DUI that Braylon got at the start of the season? Are you serious? Player steroid use? You mean the one case where Calvin Pace was suspended for a banned substance? That doesn't automatically mean steroids either.

What are these training camp/practice issues you speak of?

Rex talked down to Baltimore? When? Please, refresh my memory.

This whole foot fetish thing is stupid. The guy was having a little fun with his wife of 20+ years. It's absolutely ridiculous how this topic has been blown up so much.

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[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295359895' post='614847']
In his first two years as a HC, he's 4-1 in the playoffs (all on the road) and has now gone to two straight AFC Championship games. It's not like we've played some posers like the KC Chiefs either. The guy has wins over the likes of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Philip Rivers in the playoffs during his short career. Again, all on the road. To ignore that and say it's not impressive is just stupid.

And what the hell? Are you just throwing out random allegations or something? Multiple player legal issues? Like who? The DUI that Braylon got at the start of the season? Are you serious? Player steroid use? You mean the one case where Calvin Pace was suspended for a banned substance? That doesn't automatically mean steroids either.

[b]What are these training camp/practice issues you speak of?[/b]

Rex talked down to Baltimore? When? Please, refresh my memory.

This whole foot fetish thing is stupid. The guy was having a little fun with his wife of 20+ years. It's absolutely ridiculous how this topic has been blown up so much.
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Ines Sainz

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295336588' post='614610']
Calvin Pace was suspended in 2009 for the juice.
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Thats right forgot about that....he's not even that great of a pass rusher either....you'd think the sauce would give you a Merriman effect or something

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[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295359895' post='614847']
In his first two years as a HC, he's 4-1 in the playoffs (all on the road) and has now gone to two straight AFC Championship games. It's not like we've played some posers like the KC Chiefs either. The guy has wins over the likes of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Philip Rivers in the playoffs during his short career. Again, all on the road. To ignore that and say it's not impressive is just stupid.[/quote]

So now the Ravens only beat posers? You could make the argument that the Chargers are huge posers, they've folded like a blanket every single time they've reached the playoffs. Again, what has Rex Ryan actually won to put him above Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin, Payton, etc? His mouth and trash talk?

[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295359895' post='614847']
And what the hell? Are you just throwing out random allegations or something? Multiple player legal issues? Like who? The DUI that Braylon got at the start of the season? Are you serious?[/quote]

So DUI and blowing twice the legal limit is no longer a crime? Edwards was also on probation when the incident occurred. Driving two teammates and two other people, at the same time, doesn't show very good judgement, either. Antonio Cromartie can't pay his child support, even though the Jets fronted him half a million. He's also got some other minor issues, too. Shaun Ellis was sued this year for throwing a snow chunk. Santonio Holmes has a laundry list of issues including an alleged assault of a woman at a night club, being open (twitter) about his continued use of marijuana [i](same thing that got him kicked off the Steelers)[/i], and being so disruptive on a plane he was forced to leave and talk with authorities [i](which is probably the stupidest)[/i]. Not to mention he was forced to sit out the first four games of this season. These aren't "random", they're a direct result of the players that the Jets have brought in.

[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295359895' post='614847']
Player steroid use? You mean the one case where Calvin Pace was suspended for a banned substance? That doesn't automatically mean steroids either.[/quote]

The NFL bans anabolic steroids and related substances. Pace was banned for [i]that[/i], yes, steroids. He didn't even attempt to fight the case, as other players have. It still exists, even if it was only "one case". I never claimed it to be more.

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What are these training camp/practice issues you speak of?
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Eating cheeseburgers at DB practice. The whole Ines Sainz sexual harassment incident.

[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295359895' post='614847']
Rex talked down to Baltimore? When? Please, refresh my memory.[/quote]

Saying Ray Lewis and Ed Reed "tapped" out of calling defensive plays irked Ray a little bit. Ray Lewis let him know, he and the Ravens beat him then - on primetime, in a brand-new stadium, with the entire nation watching. Before a preseason game in 2009, he felt the need to comment on Paul Kruger's number and how Kruger was not worthy of almighty #99. He also said it was "BS" that the Ravens did not hire him. The Ravens, again, beat him in preseason - even for preseason, the game wasn't close.

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This whole foot fetish thing is stupid. The guy was having a little fun with his wife of 20+ years. It's absolutely ridiculous how this topic has been blown up so much.
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You're right it is stupid. There's seems to be no shortage of that surrounding Rex Ryan and the three-ring circus he has going with the Jets. But it's definitely not a "private matter" when you post it, for everyone to see, on the internet.

Forgive me for not falling head over heels for Rex Ryan. I was perturbed by him back in 2008 when he felt he was entitled to the Raven's job and his actions, after he left, haven't made me like him anymore. Again, he hasn't won anything, so where is the bravado coming from?

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295365501' post='615000']
So now the Ravens only beat posers? You could make the argument that the Chargers are huge posers, they've folded like a blanket every single time they've reached the playoffs. Again, what has Rex Ryan actually won to put him above Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin, Payton, etc? His mouth and trash talk?

Forgive me for not falling head over heels for Rex Ryan. I was perturbed by him back in 2008 when he felt he was entitled to the Raven's job and his actions, after he left, haven't made me like him anymore. Again, he hasn't won anything, so where is the bravado coming from?
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Get 'em BeRad!

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With the way that Rex has helped create a negative media circus, if he was the Ravens HC, I would have been embarrassed to be a Ravens fan. The one thing I value most about being a fan of the Ravens is that we are generally known for having class, even if our players sometimes push their luck with the smack talk. However, it's not like we have stories coming out every other week about some sort of drama with our players and coaches, unlike the Jets or even the Redskins. That's what I like, we generally stay out of the media over anything that is going on off the field, most of the talk is about what we are doing on the field. There have to be some long-time Jets fans that really wish they weren't getting some of the attention that the team is now getting, even if they are winning.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295362263' post='614894']
Ines Sainz
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LOL

So this chick shows up to give interviews dressed like this and is stunned when a group of 50+ men shout a few lines at her?

Give me a break.

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http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/09/340x_custom_1284389779988_ines_01.jpg


LOL

So this chick shows up to give interviews dressed like this and is stunned when a group of 50+ men shout a few lines at her?

Give me a break.
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You're right, she must have "wanted" it she's a professional reporter, the Jets should be able to contain themselves rather than whispering like little boys and throwing footballs in her direction.

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LOL

So this chick shows up to give interviews dressed like this and is stunned when a group of 50+ men shout a few lines at her?

Give me a break.
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Hey now, there will be no posting of pornographic material on this website!.

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295365501' post='615000']
So now the Ravens only beat posers? You could make the argument that the Chargers are huge posers, they've folded like a blanket every single time they've reached the playoffs. Again, what has Rex Ryan actually won to put him above Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin, Payton, etc? His mouth and trash talk?



So DUI and blowing twice the legal limit is no longer a crime? Edwards was also on probation when the incident occurred. Driving two teammates and two other people, at the same time, doesn't show very good judgement, either. Antonio Cromartie can't pay his child support, even though the Jets fronted him half a million. He's also got some other minor issues, too. Shaun Ellis was sued this year for throwing a snow chunk. Santonio Holmes has a laundry list of issues including an alleged assault of a woman at a night club, being open (twitter) about his continued use of marijuana [i](same thing that got him kicked off the Steelers)[/i], and being so disruptive on a plane he was forced to leave and talk with authorities [i](which is probably the stupidest)[/i]. Not to mention he was forced to sit out the first four games of this season. These aren't "random", they're a direct result of the players that the Jets have brought in.



The NFL bans anabolic steroids and related substances. Pace was banned for [i]that[/i], yes, steroids. He didn't even attempt to fight the case, as other players have. It still exists, even if it was only "one case". I never claimed it to be more.



Eating cheeseburgers at DB practice. The whole Ines Sainz sexual harassment incident.



Saying Ray Lewis and Ed Reed "tapped" out of calling defensive plays irked Ray a little bit. Ray Lewis let him know, he and the Ravens beat him then - on primetime, in a brand-new stadium, with the entire nation watching. Before a preseason game in 2009, he felt the need to comment on Paul Kruger's number and how Kruger was not worthy of almighty #99. He also said it was "BS" that the Ravens did not hire him. The Ravens, again, beat him in preseason - even for preseason, the game wasn't close.



You're right it is stupid. There's seems to be no shortage of that surrounding Rex Ryan and the three-ring circus he has going with the Jets. But it's definitely not a "private matter" when you post it, for everyone to see, on the internet.

Forgive me for not falling head over heels for Rex Ryan. I was perturbed by him back in 2008 when he felt he was entitled to the Raven's job and his actions, after he left, haven't made me like him anymore. Again, he hasn't won anything, so where is the bravado coming from?
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The Chargers were riding an 11 game winning streak when we faced them in the AFC Divisonal game last year. I think they were favored by something like 12 points in that game. Everyone was talking about their "dynamic" passing game and how Philip Rivers was going to tear us to shreds. Are you honestly comparing that team to the 2010 KC Chiefs? The same Chiefs team who beat up on the AFC West and the NFC West this year, the two worst divisions in football?

The start of Rex Ryan's career as a HC has been nothing short of phenomenal thusfar. Not even a full two years in and he already has a 4-1 record in the playoffs (all road wins), is advancing to his second straight AFC Championship game, and has a legit shot at winning a Superbowl this year. If Rex was running some mediocre 7-9/8-8 ballclub, then I could understand the outcry. But he's not.


I can't believe you're actually bringing up Shaun Ellis throwing snow balls and Santonio Holmes wearing his headphones on a plane as some kind of serious incidents. LOL, really?


3 ring circus? I can't believe a little friendly jabbering and trash talking could be taken so personally. Like I said before, this is football, not mensa. It's entertainment, what the hell is the big deal?

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295368995' post='615163']
You're right, she must have "wanted" it she's a professional reporter, the Jets should be able to contain themselves rather than whispering like little boys and throwing footballs in her direction.
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Haha, yeah she's a professional reporter. So how about she dresses like one?

These incidents you guys are bringing up are totally miniscule.

Hey look, she hates us and holds a grudge so much that she's actually rooting for us to win the Superbowl! WOW!


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Reporter-Ines-Sainz-is-still-pulling-for-the-Jet?urn=nfl-306656


[b]The Mexican television reporter who was allegedly sexually harassed last summer during a locker-room interview with Mark Sanchez(notes) says she holds no ill-will towards the New York Jets and believes the team will win the Super Bowl.

Speaking to Steppin' Out magazine, Ines Sainz said that she thinks New York will upset the heavily favored New England Patriots in Sunday's divisional playoff game en route to the team's first title since 1969.

Of the Jets, she said:

"They are like a star in the movies. They win games you truly believe they are going to lose. I truly believe they have the best chance to win the Super Bowl. I think Mark Sanchez will do it!"

The TV Azteca reporter was interviewing Sanchez during training camp when she was subjected to juvenile, harassing behavior from Jets coaches and players. That included a defensive backs coach throwing footballs in her direction during practice, players looking about standing near, and harassing comments in the locker room.

It was a major embarassment for the franchise and for the league, which used the incident to remind franchises of proper workplace conduct. The team later apologized, while Sainz took some time off from NFL coverage and returned to the sidelines (but not the locker room) in October.[/b]

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The Chargers were riding an 11 game winning streak when we faced them in the AFC Divisonal game last year. I think they were favored by something like 12 points in that game. Everyone was talking about their "dynamic" passing game and how Philip Rivers was going to tear us to shreds. Are you honestly comparing that team to the 2010 KC Chiefs? The same Chiefs team who beat up on the AFC West and the NFC West this year, the two worst divisions in football?[/quote]

I never compared them to the Chiefs, the Chiefs were pretenders and we exposed them, just said the Chargers are notoriously soft and posers when it comes to the playoffs. They are. And you won a game you weren't supposed to? That's fantastic but it doesn't prove anything to me.

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The start of Rex Ryan's career as a HC has been nothing short of phenomenal thusfar. Not even a full two years in and he already has a 4-1 record in the playoffs (all road wins), is advancing to his second straight AFC Championship game, and has a legit shot at winning a Superbowl this year. If Rex was running some mediocre 7-9/8-8 ballclub, then I could understand the outcry. But he's not.[/quote]

What has he won? What sets him above for the best coaches in this league? Nothing. Look up John Harbaugh's numbers and they'll eclipse Rex Ryan's. Ryan inherited a good team and made it slightly better for the short-term.

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I can't believe you're actually bringing up Shaun Ellis throwing snow balls and Santonio Holmes wearing his headphones on a plane as some kind of serious incidents. LOL, really?[/quote]

Nothing to say about the other incidents, I suppose, just ignore them. Just trying to discredit the stupidest actions? Both still showed very poor judgement and, yes, got in trouble with respective authorities. Ellis was fined $10K for it and Holmes was escorted off the airplane.

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3 ring circus? I can't believe a little friendly jabbering and trash talking could be taken so personally. Like I said before, this is football, not mensa. It's entertainment, what the hell is the big deal?
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Trash-talking usually doesn't include profanity and disrespect directed at other players in a press conference and on the field, in some cases directly from the head coach. It may be entertainment to some, but I'm not amused, especially when it comes from Rex Ryan and the Jets. Again, where has this bravado come from? It's unfounded.

I have no qualms with criticizing Rex Ryan and his team, you just don't seem to be able to defend or justify it. Again, you'll just have to excuse me from bending down kissing Rex Ryan's toes... they are very soft, though...

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Haha, yeah she's a professional reporter. So how about she dresses like one?

These incidents you guys are bringing up are totally miniscule.

Hey look, she hates us and holds a grudge so much that she's actually rooting for us to win the Superbowl! WOW![/quote]

Again, so she "wanted" it? Her garb shouldn't be that big an issue to a bunch of grown, professional, mostly married, men. A good-looking girl does not deserve to be harassed while doing her job. If that's unrealistic of me, then so be it.

If it's so miniscule, then why did the NFL hold an investigation on the incident and send memos to every team denoting proper locker-room media behavior? This isn't the first instance of derogatory behavior towards women for this Jets team, maybe the first under Ryan, but, still...

And I saw the story, she came to interview Sanchez, she's rooting for Sanchez.

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295370468' post='615221']
I never compared them to the Chiefs, the Chiefs were pretenders and we exposed them, just said the Chargers are notoriously soft and posers when it comes to the playoffs. They are. And you won a game you weren't supposed to? That's fantastic but it doesn't prove anything to me.[/quote]

Won a game we weren't supposed to win? We were supposed to lose every playoff game we've been in for the past two years.


[quote]What has he won? What sets him above for the best coaches in this league? Nothing. Look up John Harbaugh's numbers and they'll eclipse Rex Ryan's. Ryan inherited a good team and made it slightly better for the short-term.[/quote]

Who the hell said Rex is the best HC in the league? That would be Bill Belichick and Rex freely admits that. As for your second statement, are you telling me that Harbaugh didn't inherit a good team with arguably the best defense in the league?



[quote]Nothing to say about the other incidents, I suppose, just ignore them. Just trying to discredit the stupidest actions? Both still showed very poor judgement and, yes, got in trouble with respective authorities. Ellis was fined $10K for it and Holmes was escorted off the airplane.[/quote]

Ignore them? Why not? What exactly have any of these incidents done to effect our on the field performance? Hell, I'd honestly forgot about most of them before you just brought them up. We don't have to time to harp on Ellis throwing snowballs or Holmes being stingy with his iPod nine months ago, we have an AFC Championship to worry about.


[quote]Trash-talking usually doesn't include profanity and disrespect directed at other players in a press conference and on the field, in some cases directly from the head coach. It may be entertainment to some, but I'm not amused, especially when it comes from Rex Ryan and the Jets. Again, where has this bravado come from? It's unfounded.

I have no qualms with criticizing Rex Ryan and his team, you just don't seem to be able to defend or justify it. Again, you'll just have to excuse me from bending down kissing Rex Ryan's toes... they are very soft, though...[/quote]


When has Rex every disrespected anyone? He said it was personal with Manning because Peyton has always had Rex's number. He called Peyton the best QB in the league. He said it was personal with Belichick because BB shoved his foot up our asses the last time we played. He acknowledged Belichick as the best coach in maybe the history of football. Where's the disrespect? Where's the name calling? That just sounds like sheer competitiveness to me.


Hell, we need more Rex Ryan's. Every coach in the league is thinking what Rex is saying, and if their not, should they even have a job as a HC in the first place? Shouldn't every coach believe that his team can go into battle with anyone and come out on top?

It's like Mike Ditka said, there's no blueprint for winning. If Rex can help make us champions through bravado and smacktalk, then I'm all for it buddy.

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Won a game we weren't supposed to win? We were supposed to lose every playoff game we've been in for the past two years.[/quote]

Join the club. Against the Bengals after you dominated them the week earlier?

[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295371637' post='615267']
Who the hell said Rex is the best HC in the league? That would be Bill Belichick and Rex freely admits that. As for your second statement, are you telling me that Harbaugh didn't inherit a good team with arguably the best defense in the league?[/quote]

Harbaugh inherited a 5-11 with an aging and beat-up defense. The Ravens, at that time, had no healthy cornerbacks, got wind of Ed Reed's neck impingement, lost one of their starting defense tackles for the season, and were just all around old. We were far from being the best defense in the league.

[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295371637' post='615267']
Ignore them? Why not? What exactly have any of these incidents done to effect our on the field performance? Hell, I'd honestly forgot about most of them before you just brought them up. We don't have to time to harp on Ellis throwing snowballs or Holmes being stingy with his iPod nine months ago, we have an AFC Championship to worry about.[/quote]

So Santonio Holmes sitting out the first four games of the season in 2010, Pace sitting out the first four of 2009, and Edwards missing most of the Dolphins game for his DWI had no effect on the Jets season? Werd?

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When has Rex every disrespected anyone? He said it was personal with Manning because Peyton has always had Rex's number. He called Peyton the best QB in the league. He said it was personal with Belichick because BB shoved his foot up our asses the last time we played. He acknowledged Belichick as the best coach in maybe the history of football. Where's the disrespect? Where's the name calling? That just sounds like sheer competitiveness to me.[/quote]

When talking to DeAngelo Hall in a preseason game...

[quote]“You aren’t gonna tackle anybody!” Ryan said. “That’s why my brother got rid of your ***!”
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That's pretty disrespectful and unprofessional to me. Not to mention getting into a very public and stupid verbal exchange with Channing Crowder through the media. Both men displayed their vast intelligence, there. You'd expect to see that from a mouthy player but when it's coming from the head coach, a fat guy in a sweater vest? C'mon...

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Hell, we need more Rex Ryan's. Every coach in the league is thinking what Rex is saying, and if their not, should they even have a job as a HC in the first place? Shouldn't every coach believe that his team can go into battle with anyone and come out on top?

It's like Mike Ditka said, there's no blueprint for winning. If Rex can help make us champions through bravado and smacktalk, then I'm all for it buddy.
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Every coach should believe their team is the best, by all means yes. But believing you're the best and continually and obnoxiously proclaiming yourself to be is downright arrogant. Arrogance and confidence are two different things. Rex is outwardly arrogant, something that he has neither earned nor deserved. Again, he hasn't won anything.

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1295373039' post='615322']
Join the club. Against the Bengals after you dominated them the week earlier?[/quote]

Yeah, the Bengals were still favored despite us kicking their *** all over the field a week earlier.



[quote]Harbaugh inherited a 5-11 with an aging and beat-up defense. The Ravens, at that time, had no healthy cornerbacks, got wind of Ed Reed's neck impingement, lost one of their starting defense tackles for the season, and were just all around old. We were far from being the best defense in the league.[/quote]

Rex Ryan inherited a team with no QB to speak of, a star NT (Kris Jenkins) coming off of a season ending knee injury, no DB's to speak of outside of Darrelle Revis, and a craptastic group of receivers outside of Jerricho Cotchery.


[quote]So Santonio Holmes sitting out the first four games of the season in 2010, Pace sitting out the first four of 2009, and Edwards missing most of the Dolphins game for his DWI had no effect on the Jets season? Werd?[/quote]

The Holmes incident didn't even happen with the Jets. Yeah, he was suspended for the first four games, and that's the only reason that we only had to give up a 5th round pick to get him. I'll take that tradeoff.

Our defense wasn't effected much at all when Pace was out. It was actually the only time Vernon Gholston appeared useful.

Braylon missed one quarter of the Phins game, not almost all of it. And that was strictly Rex's call. The NFL didn't discipline Edwards at all.



[quote]When talking to DeAngelo Hall in a preseason game...



That's pretty disrespectful and unprofessional to me. Not to mention getting into a very public and stupid verbal exchange with Channing Crowder through the media. Both men displayed their vast intelligence, there. You'd expect to see that from a mouthy player but when it's coming from the head coach, a fat guy in a sweater vest? C'mon...[/quote]

LOL it's not even like he said that in the media. He was mic'd up on the sidelines. Hall was bantering with one of our WR's and was yelling for a flag so Rex threw a little jab at him. Haha, big deal.

I'll admit the banter with Crowder was stupid. Rex even said so himself.

[quote]Every coach should believe their team is the best, by all means yes. But believing you're the best and continually and obnoxiously proclaiming yourself to be is downright arrogant. Arrogance and confidence are two different things. Rex is outwardly arrogant, something that he has neither earned nor deserved. Again, he hasn't won anything.[/quote]

So Rex speaks his mind, big whoop? He talks a big game and backs it up, as do his players. Again, this isn't Jerry Glanville we're talking about, this is a guy who knows the x's and o's on the defensive side as well as anyone is the history of football. He's not just some loudmouth, the guy is a damn good football coach and an EXCELLENT motivator of men.

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Players all around the league want to line up and play for this guy.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/giants-safeties-wish-tom-coughlin-would-be-more-like-rex-ryan/

[size="4"]Giants’ safeties wish Tom Coughlin would be more like Rex Ryan[/size]Posted by Michael David Smith on January 18, 2011, 9:07 AM EST


[i]Two New York Giants safeties said in a radio interview Monday that they think their team has better players than the other team in town. But the Jets are in the AFC Championship Game while the Giants watch on TV because the Jets have Rex Ryan and the Giants have Tom Coughlin.

“If you match us up against the Jets, do I think they’re a better team? No, I don’t think so at all,” Giants safety Antrel Rolle said on WQAM. “But when it comes to their chemistry, I think their chemistry might be better than ours.”

And who creates that chemistry on the Jets? According to Rolle, it’s Ryan.

“People want to talk about Rex Ryan and this, that and the other, that team is going to war for him,” Rolle said. “They would die for him.”

The Giants’ other starting safety, Kenny Phillips, agreed.

“I would love to play for a guy like Rex,” Phillips told WQAM. “He goes to bat for his players. He’ll take the blame, he allows you to be you. He’s not asking you to hide. If you’re a guy who likes to talk, go out and talk, as long as you back it up. His guys are playing for him and I’d love to be a part of that.”

Phillips was asked, “Who is Tom Coughlin?” He answered, “Honestly I don’t know. Still trying to figure it out. I’m going into my fourth year and I’m still trying to feel him out. He’s a strict guy, sometimes he’s kind of loose. He’s sort of like a general, especially the way he runs his football team.”

Rolle also critiqued Coughlin.

“Honestly, that’s where the problem comes with me, as a coach,” Rolle said. “If he just loosened up just a little bit, run the ship the way you want to run it, run the program the way you want to run it but let us have a little fun, because at the end of the day that’s what it’s all about. . . . I like the coach, I understand what he’s trying to do but he has to understand it’s 2011, man, things have changed.”

But Coughlin, the NFL’s oldest coach, shows no signs of changing.

I'm not surprised those players feel that way, but wow to voice it publicly. Can't imagine Mara and Tisch will take it lightly that their own players would publicly say they'd rather play for the Jets. It's becoming more and more obvious that the Giants are becoming second class citizens in New York. How the wheel turns.[/i]

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[quote name='Untouchable' timestamp='1295374549' post='615374']
Yeah, the Bengals were still favored despite us kicking their *** all over the field a week earlier.[/quote]

Well that was a mistake.

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Rex Ryan inherited a team with no QB to speak of, a star NT (Kris Jenkins) coming off of a season ending knee injury, no DB's to speak of outside of Darrelle Revis, and a craptastic group of receivers outside of Jerricho Cotchery.[/quote]

You mean no DBs besides [i]Kerry Rhodes[/i] and Revis? John Harbaugh dealt with those exact same issues, and more, except his team was 5-11 the previous season.

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The Holmes incident didn't even happen with the Jets. Yeah, he was suspended for the first four games, and that's the only reason that we only had to give up a 5th round pick to get him. I'll take that tradeoff.

Our defense wasn't effected much at all when Pace was out. It was actually the only time Vernon Gholston appeared useful.

Braylon missed one quarter of the Phins game, not almost all of it. And that was strictly Rex's call. The NFL didn't discipline Edwards at all.[/quote]

But his absence did affect the Jets, no denying that. You can say what'd you like about Pace but Gholston's 10 tackles weren't make up for him.

My mistake on the Edwards thing, I read somewhere he missed 2.5 quarters. That's pretty lenient punishment for endangering the lives of four people, including two teammates - not to mention any potential collisions with others.

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LOL it's not even like he said that in the media. He was mic'd up on the sidelines. Hall was bantering with one of our WR's and was yelling for a flag so Rex threw a little jab at him. Haha, big deal.[/quote]

And? He said it into a microphone for everyone to hear. Same thing. If he can't control himself in a game situation to the point where he has to smack-talk a player on the field, unprovoked, then I don't think too highly of him.

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So Rex speaks his mind, big whoop? He talks a big game and backs it up, as do his players. Again, this isn't Jerry Glanville we're talking about, this is a guy who knows the x's and o's on the defensive side as well as anyone is the history of football. He's not just some loudmouth, the guy is a damn good football coach and an EXCELLENT motivator of men.
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Backs it up with what? It might as well be Glanville because, bottom line, neither of them has won anything! Nothing of note. He's not as good as he thinks he is.

[Bltravens]

Is this dude a Jets fan? Whats his deal...that game was 4 months ago...which we beat the "poser" Jets

[purple_pride]

so. how would you guys feel if rex won a ring before harb? i would feel happy for him. but depening on how long it takes harb to win a ring after i would then become pissed off. l0l

[BloodRaven]

Maybe there is something to chemistry that we're not getting with Harbaughs clinical approach?

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[quote name='Sizzle' timestamp='1295117437' post='604664']
I hate the jets. Pretty much it. The whole organization talks trash all day for no reason at all. I'm sure if Rex was coaching here, that would be us. I believe it starts from the top. HAIL OZ.
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He might talk trash, but he beat the Colts in Indy, the Pats in Foxborough, and the Squeelers at Heinz already.

Oh, the last time I checked, when he was our Asst. HC, we were in the AFC Championship game, hes been there twice since.

He does not PLAY TO LOSE, takes chances, gets the guys he needs to win, and MAKES ADJUSTMENTS when things don't work.

IMO, he's a lot smarter than our HC, OC, and DC all put together. We have a bunch of over smart hardheads, Rex is a Smart, smart a_ _.

[Bltravens]

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He might talk trash, but he beat the Colts in Indy, the Pats in Foxborough, and the Squeelers at Heinz already.

Oh, the last time I checked, when he was our Asst. HC, we were in the AFC Championship game, hes been there twice since.

He does not PLAY TO LOSE, takes chances, gets the guys he needs to win, and MAKES ADJUSTMENTS when things don't work.

IMO, he's a lot smarter than our HC, OC, and DC all put together. We have a bunch of over smart hardheads, Rex is a Smart, smart a_ _.
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As smart as Rex is and as talented as he is on the defensive side of the ball, what he did against Indy was Mattison's gameplan from all of 09 when we played them both times. Neither game our defense gave up over 20 and we lost the game at home 17-15 after a costly int by Flacco.

For all Rex's smarts he really crapped the bed on our monday night game not letting Sanchez even take a SINGLE shot downfield when we had Chris Carr starting opposite Fabian Washington, with Haruki Nakamura in the nickel and Tom Zbikowski playing instead of Ed Reed. If your scared of that secondary and your QBs ability in that situation at home your obviously not the be all end all.

[Ed_Reed20]

It never ceases to amaze me just how many Ravens fans who adore Rex and feel he should have been the head coach here in Baltimore credit him with EVERYTHING the Jets have achieved since he joined that team without likely even knowing who the Jets' offensive and defensive coordinators are, much less their GM and President but crucify the Ravens top to bottom as organization for their many failures this season(which they deserve to an extent), past failures and don't credit Harbaugh at all for the Ravens' comparable success.

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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1295416398' post='617006']
As smart as Rex is and as talented as he is on the defensive side of the ball, what he did against Indy was Mattison's gameplan from all of 09 when we played them both times. Neither game our defense gave up over 20 and we lost the game at home 17-15 after a costly int by Flacco.

For all Rex's smarts he really crapped the bed on our monday night game not letting Sanchez even take a SINGLE shot downfield when we had Chris Carr starting opposite Fabian Washington, with Haruki Nakamura in the nickel and Tom Zbikowski playing instead of Ed Reed. If your scared of that secondary and your QBs ability in that situation at home your obviously not the be all end all.
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He also wet the bed against the Pats, and came back and beat them when it mattered most. What have our coaches learned since the AFC Championship game of 2008 when we lost to the Squeelers.......how to choke harder? seen any new scheming? got some new players, played not to lose.....lost again

[Bltravens]

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He also wet the bed against the Pats, and came back and beat them when it mattered most. What have our coaches learned since the AFC Championship game of 2008 when we lost to the Squeelers.......how to choke harder? seen any new scheming? got some new players, played not to lose.....lost again
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You didnt address a single thing I said....besides I clearly stated Rex is highly talented. The fact that Rex borrowed philosophies from Mattison for Manning should give Mattison very heavy credibility.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1295417261' post='617020']
He also wet the bed against the Pats, and came back and beat them when it mattered most. What have our coaches learned since the AFC Championship game of 2008 when we lost to the Squeelers.......how to choke harder? seen any new scheming? got some new players, played not to lose.....lost again
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Wait, did Rex beat them with his fists or did the highly talented team he's coaching beat them?

What was Rex doing in '07? Where his "smart, smart" schemes then?

Do coaches, or do players? When you watch television programs on some of the greatest choke artists, do you see coaches on the sidelines or the people who actually play the game?

Your argument is weak dude.

[AwakenTheDemon]

*yawn* It seems like everyone who is involved with or follows the Jets organization takes after Rex Ryan and runs their mouth. Enjoy having your egos handed back to you by the Steelers, Jets. I'm sure Rex will be quite proud of making it to two AFCCG and failing to win both of them.

[Rice-Is-Nice]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1295419437' post='617036']
Wait, did Rex beat them with his fists or did the highly talented team he's coaching beat them?What was Rex doing in '07? Where his "smart, smart" schemes then? Do coaches, or do players? When you watch television programs on some of the greatest choke artists, do you see coaches on the sidelines or the people who actually play the game? Your argument is weak dude.
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Haha I love how you refuse to give Rex any credit. You know how many talented teams there are in the NFL?? A TON! How did the Cowboys do this year with arguably the most talented roster in the league? How do the Redskins do every year? How did the Chargers do this year with the #1 ranked offense AND defense?

Before the season started all this board had to say about the Jets was that they were probably the most overrated team in the league. Then the Jets were 'screwing' themselves by signing so many big names. According to all the critics there was no way all bad characters they signed would work out, and this team would just be dysfunctional and fall apart.

Look what happened, Rex Ryan has the Jets playing their hearts out for him. These so called trouble makers and bad teammates have all come together and bought into what Rex is selling 100%. You think any coach could have come in and brought a rookie QB to the AFCCG 2 years in a row? Hell maybe they win the Superbowl with Harbs as a coach last year, but it's pretty ludicrous to say Rex hasn't done an amazing job as the coach of the Jets.

I understand being defensive about the coach of your team when you like the guy and have been relatively successful the past few years. I don't blame Ravens fan for preferring Harbaugh over Rex at all... I think he's a really good coach myself. But to not recognize what Rex has done for the Jets is just being naive.

[berad]

I forgot, Rex and the Jets are excused for all their mistakes in the past because they won a couple of playoff games