MERGED: Discussions on the Chiefs Forums

[UMDan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1294418796' post='595358']
Werd? We do the same chant at College Park. Of course, it doesn't work, we went 2-10 in 2009, back when I pretended to care about the team...
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I was thinking the exact same thing. The "Da da da da hey, you suck!" chant for the Terps sounds just like that.

[UMDan]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294417196' post='595332']
That's true. If you get up by two scores, we're in big big trouble...
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Eh, I don't know. We're really good at giving up fourth quarter leads.

[Cody_the_Barbarian]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294411857' post='595285']
[b]It will be really interesting to see how Flacco handles Arrowhead. It will be rough and it is the hardest place to play in the league. How will he respond to the "We're gonna beat the hell outta you!" chant?[/b] I think Tamba will also present quite a few problems for Flacco and Oher. Stopping Rice worries me but our secondary is better than you think. Flowers vs. Mason and Carr vs. Boldin are good match ups for KC. I look for KC to use McCluster and Moeaki a lot on offense. Screens to McCluster and Charles will give Suggs fits. McCluster will draw Ed Reeds attention and Moeaki should have a decent day.
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If this was Joe's first playoff game, then maybe, but it's not. He's played in his fair share of tough games/environs and done very well.

[Nate5840]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1294417995' post='595345']
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Arrowhead is no rougher or harder than any other team. Especially away games in Cleveland or Pittsburgh for Baltimore. How will Joe respond to a chant? Really? Crowds have never rattled Joe before, why would it start now? Not to mention, Kansas City is 0-3 at home in the playoffs since, what, '93?

Anyways, how do you figure screens will give Suggs "fits"? The guy is far from slow, so unless he's blitzing at the moment, I do not see a screen to the left as a problem for Suggs and the defense. I'd be more inclined to worry about screens towards J.J. I'm also not too concerned about Moeaki. Baltimore is pretty good at containing tight ends, and despite having a good season, he's still a rookie.
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Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and even Seattle can't touch Arrowhead. It will be louder than a jet engine. Unlike Maryland, you'll be able to hear the chant on TV. Maybe Suggs breaks up some screens? However, suggesting that he should have no trouble running down Charles or McCluster is laughable.

[Nate5840]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1294418744' post='595355']
Well, I'm sure he's thinking that Charles and McCluster's speed will be a problem for Suggs, which I do not think will be an issue here.

Despite Boldin tapering off towards the end of the season, he's still incredibly dangerous, and Mason is as craft as always. So as good as Kansas City's corners may be, they'll still have to keep up with the top-notch routes of Boldin and Mason. I'm not worried about this game, but I take no team lightly when the playoffs roll around.
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I think either of our corners can shut Mason down. If Boldin lines up on the right against Flowers that concerns me a little. Flowers is excellent in technique but isn't very fast. Boldin could give him a little trouble. As for Carr, I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league. He covered Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson most of the day and didn't give up 100 yards or TDs to either of them. He also held Brandon Lloyld to zero catches a couple of weeks ago. He came into Arrowhead leading the league in receiving yards. All of those guys are pro bowlers...

Throw in pressure from Tamba and the crowd noise and it could mean trouble...

[H8R]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294424409' post='595413']
Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and even Seattle can't touch Arrowhead. It will be louder than a jet engine. Unlike Maryland, you'll be able to hear the chant on TV. Maybe Suggs breaks up some screens? However, suggesting that he should have no trouble running down Charles or McCluster is laughable.
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[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294424907' post='595419']
I think either of our corners can shut Mason down. If Boldin lines up on the right against Flowers that concerns me a little. Flowers is excellent in technique but isn't very fast. Boldin could give him a little trouble. As for Carr, I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league. He covered Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson most of the day and didn't give up 100 yards or TDs to either of them. He also held Brandon Lloyld to zero catches a couple of weeks ago. He came into Arrowhead leading the league in receiving yards. All of those guys are pro bowlers...

Throw in pressure from Tamba and the crowd noise and it could mean trouble...
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I don't think the sound is going to be a detriment, or at least no worse then what we've seen already. Houston, Pittsburgh, Atlanta All VERY loud places. Besides, are you guys going to be at capacity? Last I heard, tickets weren't selling too well in KC.

I think there will be a few stunned young players on the KC squad that didn't realize how hard hits get in the playoffs. The Ravens D isn't what it used to be as a whole but we don't give up many points and we certainly are one of the more physical teams in the league. Charles is a beast but McCluster has been injury prone and teams feel like he has or at least HAD a fumbling problem in the college ( they generally don't go away in the pros). He may not even get the ball much on offense.

I think it will be a good match-up but I expect the Ravens experience to be a bit too much for a young, up-and-coming KC squad.

[Nate5840]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1294425645' post='595422']
I don't think the sound is going to be a detriment, or at least no worse then what we've seen already. Houston, Pittsburgh, Atlanta All VERY loud places. Besides, are you guys going to be at capacity? Last I heard, tickets weren't selling too well in KC.
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It's sold out. In fact, they released a couple thousand standing room only tickets yesterday. The last time they did this was when we played Denver on Thanksgiving night a couple of years ago. It will be a record crowd.

[Rich223]

Greetings from Kansas City.
Be afraid!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdm4hc6AOYM[/media]

[H8R]

[quote name='Rich223' timestamp='1294426228' post='595432']
Greetings from Kansas City.
Be afraid!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdm4hc6AOYM[/media]
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Ok, I gave him props the first time you posted it.... Now, youtube Death on Wings. We have an answer for that!

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294424409' post='595413']
Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and even Seattle can't touch Arrowhead. It will be louder than a jet engine. Unlike Maryland, you'll be able to hear the chant on TV. Maybe Suggs breaks up some screens? However, suggesting that he should have no trouble running down Charles or McCluster is laughable.
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I'm sorry, please inform me where I said he'd have no problem? I said it shouldn't be an issue. That does not mean he'll shut it down, that means it's not going to me money as you're letting on. Suggs is one of the quickest outside linebackers around, and despite his showing this year at pass rushing, he's [i]excels[/i] at run stuffing and playing in the backfield.

I've been to Baltimore games in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, so to say they can't touch Arrowhead is laughable when Baltimore's in either of those towns.

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294424907' post='595419']
[b]I think either of our corners can shut Mason down.[/b] If Boldin lines up on the right against Flowers that concerns me a little. Flowers is excellent in technique but isn't very fast. Boldin could give him a little trouble. As for Carr, I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league. He covered Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson most of the day and didn't give up 100 yards or TDs to either of them. He also held Brandon Lloyld to zero catches a couple of weeks ago. He came into Arrowhead leading the league in receiving yards. All of those guys are pro bowlers...
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Please list ANY corners who have effectively shut Mason down.... Don't worry, I'll wait.

I'll save you some time, Mason has been year in and year out the most effective, crafty receiver, and that's against ANY cornerback, young or old. He was never truly "shut down" by a corner, but more so by the looks and decisions Flacco had. Flowers and Carr are good, very good, but Mason is on another level. The man's been doing this for years without slowing down, he knows how to catch the secondary off guard.

[Rich223]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1294426512' post='595437']
Ok, I gave him props the first time you posted it.... Now, youtube Death on Wings. We have an answer for that!
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Shhhhhh im trying to strike fear into the hearts of ravens fans.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1294427235' post='595447']
Please list ANY corners who have effectively shut Mason down.... Don't worry, I'll wait.

I'll save you some time, Mason has been year in and year out the most effective, crafty receiver, and that's against ANY cornerback, young or old. He was never truly "shut down" by a corner, but more so by the looks and decisions Flacco had. Flowers and Carr are good, very good, but Mason is on another level. The man's been doing this for years without slowing down, he knows how to catch the secondary off guard.
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Agreed. I loved watching Mason absolutely work Jonathan Joseph on an out and up comeback route last week. Carr is a good CB but I think Mason will be able to beat him for some big catches.

[Nate5840]

[quote][b]I've been to Baltimore games in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, so to say they can't touch Arrowhead is laughable when Baltimore's in either of those towns.[/b]

[b]Please list ANY corners who have effectively shut Mason down.... Don't worry, I'll wait.[/b]

I'll save you some time, Mason has been year in and year out the most effective, crafty receiver, and that's against ANY cornerback, young or old. He was never truly "shut down" by a corner, but more so by the looks and decisions Flacco had. Flowers and Carr are good, very good, but Mason is on another level. The man's been doing this for years without slowing down, he knows how to catch the secondary off guard.[/quote]

But you've never been to Arrowhead...

He has 2 catches vs. Asamough in two games. On 10/15/06, Chris gamble held him to zero catches. On 10/11/09, Leon Hall held him to zero catches. He's had many games with 2-3 catches but, you are right that he hasn't been held to zero much in Baltimore.

I guess it depends how you define "shut down." What I am saying is two catches or so. I think KC can do that. I agree that he is crafty and have a lot of respect for him but this is not a good match up for Mason.

One match up I haven't talked about is TJ / Stallworth vs. Arenas... Arenas has been good but those are experienced guys. Arenas isn't that fast so Stallworth could be dangerous. TJ is extremely crafty and a great route running vet that could take him to school.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Rich223' timestamp='1294426228' post='595432']
Greetings from Kansas City.
Be [b]afraid[/b]!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdm4hc6AOYM[/media]
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Be afraid!?????? Charles looks a decent back, but what Ds has he run over? The youtube thingy is 90% against Denver. Let's see, they were 3rd?, no 15th? No they were 31st against the run! I think it is you and Mr. Charles that should be shaking about right now.
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[i][size="5"][/size][/i]Purple Rain is coming to ruin the kc parade!!![/size]
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[Nate5840]

[quote name='jt3751' timestamp='1294429064' post='595480']
Be afraid!?????? Charles looks a decent back, but what Ds has he run over? The youtube thingy is 90% against Denver. Let's see, they were 3rd?, no 15th? No they were 31st against the run! I think it is you and Mr. Charles that should be shaking about right now.
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[i][size="5"][/size][/i]Purple Rain is coming to ruin the kc parade!!![/size]
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That entire video is from last year. This year, he averaged 6.3 ypc. 0.1 yards short of Jim Brown's record.

[baltravens]

This one is not even going to be close. All we need is for the defense to have that swagger and we will blow them out. If I had a bookie I would put a couple of grand on it. We will heavily dominate, it will not even be close.

[Nate5840]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1294429287' post='595484']
This one is not even going to be close. All we need is for the defense to have that swagger and we will blow them out. If I had a bookie I would put a couple of grand on it. We will heavily dominate, it will not even be close.
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Yeah, that's what the talking heads keep saying. This morning, a reporter in the Baltimore Sun wrote "there is no one to fear on this Chief's team."

That's the kiss of death if I ever heard it. Yes, Baltimore is more experienced and more battle tested but, KC is younger, faster, and [b]has nothing to lose[/b].

It will not be a cake walk. We are not Seattle.

[Twistidfunk]

no one cares what talking heads think. All they do is watch highlite reels. They don't take the time to watch a team.

I will admit to knowing nothing about the Chiefs but I do know they come from a weak division where 10 games got them to host a WC game to a team in a much tougher division with a much more battle tested schedule.

That is enough for me to have confidence in the game.

I think Cassel will be rattled all game and I am not too worried about the big bad running game. We have a little thing called THE RAVENS DEFENSE, ya heard?

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294428387' post='595469']
But you've never been to Arrowhead...

He has 2 catches vs. Asamough in two games. On 10/15/06, Chris gamble held him to zero catches. On 10/11/09, Leon Hall held him to zero catches. He's had many games with 2-3 catches but, you are right that he hasn't been held to zero much in Baltimore.

I guess it depends how you define "shut down." What I am saying is two catches or so. I think KC can do that. I agree that he is crafty and have a lot of respect for him but this is not a good match up for Mason.

One match up I haven't talked about is TJ / Stallworth vs. Arenas... Arenas has been good but those are experienced guys. Arenas isn't that fast so Stallworth could be dangerous. TJ is extremely crafty and a great route running vet that could take him to school.
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Two catches is not shut down, sorry. You can't just go to games and list how many catches he had. Like Reed, how often is Aso throw to? Not often. And when it comes to [i]this[/i] season, Mason's receptions went down due to Boldin, Housh, and the resurgence (for a while) of Heap. That has nothing to do with people "shutting him down". You act as if KC is a top tier defense, when you're strictly middle of the pack. 14th in yards allowed, 17th in passing yards, and 14th in rushing yards.

[grape drank]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294429542' post='595490']
Yeah, that's what the talking heads keep saying. This morning, a reporter in the Baltimore Sun wrote "there is no one to fear on this Chief's team."

That's the kiss of death if I ever heard it. Yes, Baltimore is more experienced and more battle tested but, KC is younger, faster, and [b]has nothing to lose[/b].

It will not be a cake walk. We are not Seattle.
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KC is a trap game for sure. But if theres anyone that can keep a defensive unit humble, it's Ray Lewis. And our offence has nothing to be cocky about, those guys are all competitors and have been borderline pathetic for most of the season so I am sure they are all looking to redeem themselves. No game is every easy, if your in the NFL you're a good player, and this is the case now especially since we're in the play offs which is a collection of all the best players. Good luck to you KC, but I hope Baltimore wins as i am a Ravens fan for life!

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294429542' post='595490']
Yeah, that's what the talking heads keep saying. This morning, a reporter in the Baltimore Sun wrote "there is no one to fear on this Chief's team."

That's the kiss of death if I ever heard it. Yes, Baltimore is more experienced and more battle tested but, KC is younger, faster, and [b]has nothing to lose[/b].

It will not be a cake walk. We are not Seattle.
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Nothing to lose? Really? How about a [u]playoff game[/u], like... a fourth straight home playoff loss. This is not the regular season, you're not a 2-13 team in the final week. To say a team has nothing to lose in the playoffs is ridiculous and naive. I can only hope the young guys in Kansas City do not share the same thought.

[Nate5840]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1294430183' post='595497']
Two catches is not shut down, sorry. You can't just go to games and list how many catches he had. Like Reed, how often is Aso throw to? Not often. And when it comes to [i]this[/i] season, Mason's receptions went down due to Boldin, Housh, and the resurgence (for a while) of Heap. That has nothing to do with people "shutting him down". You act as if KC is a top tier defense, when you're strictly middle of the pack. 14th in yards allowed, 17th in passing yards, and 14th in rushing yards.
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I don't think KC is a top tier defense. I do think they are underrated. Flowers gets thrown at about three times a game. I'm not saying he is Revis or Asamough but he's good enough to shut Mason down by your definition of zero catches and he's better that any corner in your division. We'll see on Sunday.

[PuRock]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1294430349' post='595501']
[b]KC is a trap game for sure.[/b] But if theres anyone that can keep a defensive unit humble, it's Ray Lewis. And our offence has nothing to be cocky about, those guys are all competitors and have been borderline pathetic for most of the season so I am sure they are all looking to redeem themselves. No game is every easy, if your in the NFL you're a good player, and this is the case now especially since we're in the play offs which is a collection of all the best players. Good luck to you KC, but I hope Baltimore wins as i am a Ravens fan for life!
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Its kinda hard to say any playoff game is a "trap" game. Our guys know how hard it is to win in the playoffs. There is not a single ounce of any of our players taking this game lightly.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294430366' post='595503']
I don't think KC is a top tier defense. I do think they are underrated. Flowers gets thrown at about three times a game. I'm not saying he is Revis or Asamough but he's good enough to shut Mason down by your definition of zero catches and he's better that any corner in your division. We'll see on Sunday.
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Really? Flowers is good enough to hold [i]Mason[/i] to zero catches? Better than any corner in our division? Cincinnati has two for you: Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph.

[grape drank]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294430484' post='595507']
Its kinda hard to say any playoff game is a "trap" game. Our guys know how hard it is to win in the playoffs. There is not a single ounce of any of our players taking this game lightly.
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well I really hope not, our offence has something to prove, and our defence has Ray Lewis to talk to if they feel like KC is gonna be a cake walk haha.

[Nate5840]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1294430640' post='595511']
Really? Flowers is good enough to hold [i]Mason[/i] to zero catches? Better than any corner in our division? Cincinnati has two for you: Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph.
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Flowers has surpassed those two. For real and I'm not just being a homer. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he'd be in the pro bowl.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294431544' post='595524']
Flowers has surpassed those two. For real and I'm not just being a homer. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he'd be in the pro bowl.
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Agreed. Prior to getting hurt, he playing at a truly shut down level. Hall and Joseph, while still very good, have been inconsistent this season.

[AwakenTheDemon]

It's not like Hall and Joseph have been entirely healthy this year either, so there's no real argument. Flowers hasn't been quite the same since getting injured, but neither have Hall and Joseph.

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='Rich223' timestamp='1294427974' post='595460']
Shhhhhh im trying to strike fear into the hearts of ravens fans.
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sense of humor, I like it.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294429242' post='595483']
That entire video is from last year. This year, he averaged 6.3 ypc. 0.1 yards short of Jim Brown's record.
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Hmmm, I see.

So let's look at his 100 yard + games this year and how well the opponent defended the run; Buffalo - 32nd, Seattle - 21st, St. Louis - 17th. And 40+ yard runs against Arizona(30th) and Oakland(29th) didn't hurt that near record breaking average.

Charles may have a great game, I don't know. And I'm not trying to bust your chops, but chances are that Ray Ray and Co.(5th) will rise to the challenge and keep him and the rest of the KC offense contained, especially in the red zone.