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[PuRock]

[quote name='Joe_Chief' timestamp='1294352500' post='594917']
You guys should come over to www.chiefscoalition.com and sign in to our forums. We love the conversation with opposing fans!
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I registered but I guess I have to wait to be approved by an admin. Because can't post yet. Still waiting on that email.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1294032971' post='591645']
Not upset, But if I had to compare Joe with any other QB right now Cassel's name would probably be brought up along with a guy like Jason Campbell.

Cassel did ride the bench thats true, however, he really didn't start a game in college either...So that kinda says something too.
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Jason Campbell? I hope your joking. You think if we had Jason Campbell we would be 12-4 right now?

[Alexir]

[quote name='BALTIMOREFLACCO' timestamp='1294354067' post='594947']
Jason Campbell? I hope your joking. You think if we had Jason Campbell we would be 12-4 right now?
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He has the same kinda attributes. Strong Arm, not the fastest of guys but can make moves with feet and tend to manage games, not necessarily throw for huge numbers like Brees, Brady, Manning, Etc. Im not saying he is Jason Campbell, but that they are similar in athletic ability and playing style.

For example, Flacco hasn't broke 200 yards in a game in 3 weeks because he has just been managing games. Which is a product of Cameron of course but because of that, thats why I look at him as a Campbell so far. Not stat wise but just the way he is being utilized.

[mayanfootball]

I thought you guys would like to hear from Eric Berry about your Ed Reed...interview today posted on the Chiefs website:



[indent]Berry Wins Honor; Prepares for Reed

Eric Berry made history on Thursday morning by becoming the first player in franchise history to win an NFL Rookie of the Month honor. While it represents the highest honor that any rookie has won this season, Berry preferred to talk about this Sunday’s game during Thursday’s media session.

Most notably, Berry wanted to talk about Ravens S Ed Reed.

“Ed Reed is somebody that I looked up to growing up,” Berry said. “He and Sean Taylor are my two favorite safeties of all time. Being on the field with him this Sunday…I don’t’ even have words for it. With me growing up watching him and now seeing that I’m actually going to be on the field with him is going to be a big step. I can’t even put it into words. I’m just looking forward to it."[/indent]

[ravenswoman]

[quote name='mayanfootball' timestamp='1294367637' post='595101']
I thought you guys would like to hear from Eric Berry about your Ed Reed...interview today posted on the Chiefs website:



[indent]Berry Wins Honor; Prepares for Reed

Eric Berry made history on Thursday morning by becoming the first player in franchise history to win an NFL Rookie of the Month honor. While it represents the highest honor that any rookie has won this season, Berry preferred to talk about this Sunday’s game during Thursday’s media session.

Most notably, Berry wanted to talk about Ravens S Ed Reed.

“Ed Reed is somebody that I looked up to growing up,” Berry said. “He and Sean Taylor are my two favorite safeties of all time. Being on the field with him this Sunday…I don’t’ even have words for it. With me growing up watching him and now seeing that I’m actually going to be on the field with him is going to be a big step. I can’t even put it into words. I’m just looking forward to it."[/indent]
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Don't know if you saw Ed Reed on Berry:
“I see growth in him. I see he’s growing throughout the year. He’s making plays – had a very impressive interception he returned a couple weeks ago. I was screaming at the TV for him. I’m definitely rooting for him, too. I talked to him when he was in college before he came out. I’ve never met him, personally, so it’ll be interesting to meet him this week, being that it’s going to be in the playoffs, in his first playoff game. So, it’s going to be fun.”

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1294032971' post='591645']
Not upset, But if I had to compare Joe with any other QB right now Cassel's name would probably be brought up along with a guy like Jason Campbell.

Cassel did ride the bench thats true, however, he really didn't start a game in college either...So that kinda says something too.
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But you wouldent compare him to matt ryan who he has identical stats with? I hate when people compare matt ryan to tom brady and peyton manning and then compare flacco to freaking jason cambell and such. Im not saying you compared ryan to brady or anyone but i bet you would.

Joe is not a game manager himself. Cam is forcing him to be one. Joe has repeatedly said how he wishedhe could do more but he just runs the plays hes told to run. Flacco makes throws that cassel can only dream of

[Alexir]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1294375214' post='595172']
But you wouldent compare him to matt ryan who he has identical stats with? I hate when people compare matt ryan to tom brady and peyton manning and then compare flacco to freaking jason cambell and such. Im not saying you compared ryan to brady or anyone but i bet you would.

Joe is not a game manager himself. Cam is forcing him to be one. Joe has repeatedly said how he wishedhe could do more but he just runs the plays hes told to run. Flacco makes throws that cassel can only dream of
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When did I compare Matt Ryan to anyone? Matt Ryan has a great offensive line, great supporting running game, and an elite WR. Thats fine. He is still not elite in my book but neither is Flacco.

And I havent seen Flacco make a throw this year that has really knocked my pants off. He is great and will someday be elite but it's not now and that is an ENTIRELY different thread right there.

Do you have a soundbite of Flacco saying Cam controls him or that Joe wants to do more?

People need to take off the purple shades sometimes, Cassel And Flacco have very similar numbers. I think both sides are thankful they don't have McNabb, Grossman or Sanchez...

And trust me, I am not up on Matt Ryan either. He is good but he isn't better than Joe.

Only 5 real people I consider Elite.

Tom
Peyton
Drew
Phillip
Aaron

Then Ben would start the next level of Great which would Include Flacco

[ryan23945]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1294032134' post='591633']
It's funny how everyone checks everyone else's message boards when they are about to face each other.

They seem split, some think the Chiefs are world beaters and the Ravens have no shot while others wish they got to play the Jets instead.

I do think the Chiefs pose a threat if we don't shut down their running game. They also think our secondary is our weakness which may be true but they are really playing better especially with Wilson stepping his game up. I think Webb needs to start playing better and Reed is lights out. They don't have much of a passing game other than Dwayne Bowe. They seem to think Matt Cassell is some great QB...[b]he's okay but he's not even on Joe's level.[/b]
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1294032314' post='591636']
How is he not on Joe's level? I just don't know why people say stuff like that....[b]he has a better QB rating, more TD passes, and less interceptions.[/b]

I think they really mirror each other if anything. Would say they are on the same level. Consider them "Game Managers". Not elite but will get the job done in most occasions.
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HAHAHA OWNED

[ryan23945]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1294032827' post='591644']
Okay, there numbers are close. [b]He sat on the bench learning for 3 years[/b], he is in his 6th year. He has the #1 running attack in the league, he is definitely more of a game manager. Last year they were talking about releasing this guy because he underperformed, at the beginning on this year when he was throwing for 63 yards they were talking of benching him.

I guess you can say their stats this year are similar but in my eyes they aren't..as QBs. Joe is ahead of Cassel...if Joe sat learning for 3 years I'm sure he would be way ahead of where this guy is...but that's just be making assumptions. I didn't mean to make you upset, it's my opinion.
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well if we had tom brady i think joe woulda sat too, cant knock the guy for being on the pats, just like u cant knock rodgers, or schaub, they r still good qbs even tho they were back ups to good qbs, thats y they r now starters, hell u gotta b pretty good to have another team want u to lead there team when uve been a back up

[berad]

[quote name='ryan23945' timestamp='1294376137' post='595184']
HAHAHA OWNED
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What he said isn't entirely true. Flacco has a better rating than Cassel. In addition, Flacco's yards per attempt and completion percentage are much higher than Matt Cassels'...

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

I have come to the conclusion that Chiefs fans are some of the nicest and respectful fans in the league.

[ItFigurs16]

How come everyone still thinks Cassel has a better QB rating then Flacco? If I am not mistaken, only QB to have a better one then Flacco this season is the NFL's golden boy Tom Brady. There is only one reason I can think of why our offence should not be putting up close to if not the same stats as the Patriots and its not because of Flacco. Lets all hope the team that played the Saints in the first quarter shows up for 4 quarters this game. Go Ravens!

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='BohBalmerOsbohs' timestamp='1294377511' post='595193']
I have come to the conclusion that Chiefs fans are some of the nicest and respectful fans in the league.
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit, they're usually flying under the radar, grabbing the buildings blocks to a successful franchise. I was also going to say that fans of a losing franchise are usually less... uh... "outspoken" than franchise's that are winning consistently. However, the Browns have proven that theory wrong.

But the Chiefs are usually true underdogs and I just cannot not root for them... aside from this sunday.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='ItFigurs16' timestamp='1294387927' post='595211']
How come everyone still thinks Cassel has a better QB rating then Flacco? If I am not mistaken, only QB to have a better one then Flacco this season is the NFL's golden boy Tom Brady. There is only one reason I can think of why our offence should not be putting up close to if not the same stats as the Patriots and its not because of Flacco. Lets all hope the team that played the Saints in the first quarter shows up for 4 quarters this game. Go Ravens!
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No. He's 2nd in QB rating since week 2, so the last 14 weeks. Obviously that Bengals game drags down his average.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1294375631' post='595177']

Only 5 real people I consider Elite.

Tom
Peyton
Drew
Phillip
Aaron

Then Ben would start the next level of Great which would Include Flacco
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This might not make sense, but in order for me to say who I think are elite would have to be listed in groups or levels of being elite, Brady and Manning obviously on top and by themselves.

(truly elite)
Brady
Manning
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(elite to near elite)
Brees
Rodgers
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Vick
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(on the cusp)
This would include QB's like Flacco, Ryan, etc.

I actually take issue with rating Rodgers so high, and while I think he's an amazing QB, his situation, of being under Favre for so long and only playing for a short period of time makes me think he needs more time to be judged. However, I'd take him over Flacco, currently, I do think Flacco will continue to grow.
I also take issue with Rivers being so high, it seems warranted, but he's hit and miss to me.
If Vick can build on his pocket presence and throwing the ball, I have no issue calling him elite.
I think Brees also has his ups and downs as well, and honestly the best QB in that group might be Big Ben.

I didn't include Favre because I believe he's done, but he is an elite QB, well, he used to be.

Scott Garceau brought up a good point about being able to tell if a QB is elite or not, saying basically, you just see it and know it.
And I think that's true, it may not have stats to suggest it, but you know one when you see one.

[Militant X 1]

Ravens = in the playoffs
Chiefs = in the playoffs

^^ of course...we clearly understand that!

with that being said.....no one should take the Chiefs lightly in this game on Sunday! The Ravens need to play smash-mouth, lightouts, lockdown and lock up football to beat the Chiefs in their house on Sunday! they need to be well balanced on both sides of the ball and just bring the pain from start to finish!

for anyone to think that playing the Chiefs on Sunday will be an "automatic" win for the Ravens is pure foolishness!

[Tank 92]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1294409683' post='595272']
Ravens = in the playoffs
Chiefs = in the playoffs

^^ of course...we clearly understand that!

with that being said.....no one should take the Chiefs lightly in this game on Sunday! The Ravens need to play smash-mouth, lightouts, lockdown and lock up football to beat the Chiefs in their house on Sunday! they need to be well balanced on both sides of the ball and just bring the pain from start to finish!

[b]for anyone to think that playing the Chiefs on Sunday will be an "automatic" win for the Ravens is pure foolishness!
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Obviously, there is never an "automatic win" in the NFL, especially in the playoffs. But if you look at things such as experience, strength of schedule, Ravens record in away games, etc., we should be confident the Ravens will come out of KC with a win.

i doubt that anyone in the Ravens organization is taking this game lightly, which could mean one and out. The eyes are on the prize and I'm sure it is fully understood that all focus must be on defeating the chiefs this week.

[Nate5840]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1294032314' post='591636']
How is he not on Joe's level? I just don't know why people say stuff like that....he has a better QB rating, more TD passes, and less interceptions.

I think they really mirror each other if anything. Would say they are on the same level. Consider them "Game Managers". Not elite but will get the job done in most occasions.
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The difference between the two is pretty simple really. Cassel has not proven himself to be clutch and Joe has. Cassel hasn't shown he can lead us back when we get behind. He has no fourth quarter comebacks. He gets rattled under serious pressure situations like the 2 minute drill. I do like him and think he is capable but so far he hasn't shown that kind of poise.

It will be really interesting to see how Flacco handles Arrowhead. It will be rough and it is the hardest place to play in the league. How will he respond to the "We're gonna beat the hell outta you!" chant? I think Tamba will also present quite a few problems for Flacco and Oher. Stopping Rice worries me but our secondary is better than you think. Flowers vs. Mason and Carr vs. Boldin are good match ups for KC. I look for KC to use McCluster and Moeaki a lot on offense. Screens to McCluster and Charles will give Suggs fits. McCluster will draw Ed Reeds attention and Moeaki should have a decent day.

[Jettman]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1294344743' post='594785']
oh FLACCO makes you nervous?
You must have missed out on watching Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright a few years ago.
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Yeah i get what you mean, i agree with that thanks for putting in that into perspective for me

[PuRock]

[quote name='BohBalmerOsbohs' timestamp='1294377511' post='595193']
I have come to the conclusion that Chiefs fans are some of the nicest and respectful fans in the league.
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I concur. They have been some of the nicest visitors to our forum. It's nice when other teams fans can come in here and talk evenly about both teams.

[Twistidfunk]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294411857' post='595285']
The difference between the two is pretty simple really. Cassel has not proven himself to be clutch and Joe has. Cassel hasn't shown he can lead us back when we get behind. He has no fourth quarter comebacks. He gets rattled under serious pressure situations like the 2 minute drill. I do like him and think he is capable but so far he hasn't shown that kind of poise.

It will be really interesting to see how Flacco handles Arrowhead. [b]It will be rough and it is the hardest place to play in the league[/b]. How will he respond to the "We're gonna beat the hell outta you!" chant? I think Tamba will also present quite a few problems for Flacco and Oher. Stopping Rice worries me but our secondary is better than you think. Flowers vs. Mason and Carr vs. Boldin are good match ups for KC. I look for KC to use McCluster and Moeaki a lot on offense. Screens to McCluster and Charles will give Suggs fits. McCluster will draw Ed Reeds attention and Moeaki should have a decent day.
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I am sorry but I really do not see how anyone can make this claim. There are probably atleast 6 teams around the league who all think their house is "the most difficult to play in".

To be honest, that may have been the case back in the 90's REGULAR SEASON but I remember the Bills goin in and beating up the Chiefs....a few times. So really, how hard is it to play at Arrowhead in the playoffs? apparently not that hard.

In the words of the late Warner Wolf... LET'S GO TO THE VIDEOTAPE!

• Jan. 6, 2007 - AFC Wildcard - Indianapolis 23, Kansas City 8
• Jan. 11, 2004 - AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 38, Kansas City 31
• Jan. 4, 1998 - AFC Divisional - Denver 14, Kansas City 10
• Jan. 7, 1996 - AFC Divisional - Indianapolis 10, Kansas City 7
• Dec. 31, 1994 - AFC First Round - Miami 27, Kansas City 17
• Jan. 23, 1994 - AFC Championship - Buffalo 30, Kansas City 13
• Jan. 16, 1994 - AFC Divisional - Kansas City 28, Houston 20
• Jan. 8, 1994 - AFC First Round - Kansas City 27, Pittsburgh 24 OT
• Jan. 2, 1993 - AFC First Round - San Diego 17, Kansas City 0
• Jan. 5, 1992 - AFC Divisional - Buffalo 37, Kansas City 14


Not sure which are home games though....

Congrats on a great season and it was nice to see the Chiefs back in the game but c'mon....be real.

[Nate5840]

Yep. The playoff record doesn't look good. Arrowhead is different and you'll see on Sunday. The Chiefs are due for a playoff win at home. The place will be insane.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUDi7V2ljY"]This is a normal week[/url]

[PuRock]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294416121' post='595313']
Yep. The playoff record doesn't look good. Arrowhead is different and you'll see on Sunday. The Chiefs are due for a playoff win at home. The place will be insane.
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We've played in some tough places and situations the last couple of years w/ mixed results. The place will be loud, sure, but all I really expect from it is for us to burn our timeouts early and a few false starts from Oher.

But both of those things happen @ home so there isn't much lost. Flacco doesn't audible at the line much, so there won't be any loss of communication. Birk is a veteran center and knows the tricks to snapping the ball in a rough atmosphere.

We also practice a lot at the castle with sound blaring like crazy at the castle. I'm sure we did so again this week.

[Twistidfunk]

It only takea a TD or two and a few stops to take fans out of it.

I am sure the Ravens can handle it. Get up early and Cassel has no chance (given his comeback record of ZERO)

[Nate5840]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1294417060' post='595330']
It only takea a TD or two and a few stops to take fans out of it.

I am sure the Ravens can handle it. Get up early and Cassel has no chance (given his comeback record of ZERO)
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That's true. If you get up by two scores, we're in big big trouble...

[PuRock]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294417196' post='595332']
That's true. If you get up by two scores, we're in big big trouble...
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Nah, we are in trouble. If we go up two TDs, we'll go into shell shock mode and allow you to do whatever you want in the fourth.

It would be best for us if you guys go up by two TDs early. Have us put the pedal to the metal. Seriously though, if we go up early, don't fret.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294411857' post='595285']
[b]It will be really interesting to see how Flacco handles Arrowhead. It will be rough and it is the hardest place to play in the league. How will he respond to the "We're gonna beat the hell outta you!" chant?[/b] I think Tamba will also present quite a few problems for Flacco and Oher. Stopping Rice worries me but our secondary is better than you think. Flowers vs. Mason and Carr vs. Boldin are good match ups for KC. I look for KC to use McCluster and Moeaki a lot on offense. Screens to McCluster and Charles will give Suggs fits. McCluster will draw Ed Reeds attention and Moeaki should have a decent day.
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Sorry, but I don't buy it. Arrowhead is no rougher or harder than any other team. Especially away games in Cleveland or Pittsburgh for Baltimore. How will Joe respond to a chant? Really? Crowds have never rattled Joe before, why would it start now? Not to mention, Kansas City is 0-3 at home in the playoffs since, what, '93?

Anyways, how do you figure screens will give Suggs "fits"? The guy is far from slow, so unless he's blitzing at the moment, I do not see a screen to the left as a problem for Suggs and the defense. I'd be more inclined to worry about screens towards J.J. I'm also not too concerned about Moeaki. Baltimore is pretty good at containing tight ends, and despite having a good season, he's still a rookie.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1294417995' post='595345']
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Arrowhead is no rougher or harder than any other team. Especially away games in Cleveland or Pittsburgh for Baltimore. How will Joe respond to a chant? Really? Crowds have never rattled Joe before, why would it start now? Not to mention, Kansas City is 0-3 at home in the playoffs since, what, '93?

Anyways, how do you figure screens will give Suggs "fits"? The guy is far from slow, so unless he's blitzing at the moment, I do not see a screen to the left as a problem for Suggs and the defense. I'd be more inclined to worry about screens towards J.J. I'm also not too concerned about Moeaki. Baltimore is pretty good at containing tight ends, and despite having a good season, he's still a rookie.
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actualy most of suggs ints are off of erant screens

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1294418502' post='595351']
actualy most of suggs ints are off of erant screens
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Well, I'm sure he's thinking that Charles and McCluster's speed will be a problem for Suggs, which I do not think will be an issue here.

Despite Boldin tapering off towards the end of the season, he's still incredibly dangerous, and Mason is as craft as always. So as good as Kansas City's corners may be, they'll still have to keep up with the top-notch routes of Boldin and Mason. I'm not worried about this game, but I take no team lightly when the playoffs roll around.

[berad]

[quote name='Nate5840' timestamp='1294411857' post='595285']
The difference between the two is pretty simple really. Cassel has not proven himself to be clutch and Joe has. Cassel hasn't shown he can lead us back when we get behind. He has no fourth quarter comebacks. He gets rattled under serious pressure situations like the 2 minute drill. I do like him and think he is capable but so far he hasn't shown that kind of poise.

It will be really interesting to see how Flacco handles Arrowhead. It will be rough and it is the hardest place to play in the league. [b]How will he respond to the "We're gonna beat the hell outta you!" chant?[/b] I think Tamba will also present quite a few problems for Flacco and Oher. Stopping Rice worries me but our secondary is better than you think. Flowers vs. Mason and Carr vs. Boldin are good match ups for KC. I look for KC to use McCluster and Moeaki a lot on offense. Screens to McCluster and Charles will give Suggs fits. McCluster will draw Ed Reeds attention and Moeaki should have a decent day.
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Werd? We do the same chant at College Park. Of course, it doesn't work, we went 2-10 in 2009, back when I pretended to care about the team...