2011 Pro Bowl

[Alexir]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1293583831' post='587482']
My Thoughts:

AFC:

QB: Fine with Brady & Rivers, but Manning? He got in on his reputation. To me it's a dead even tie between Joe and Matt Cassel on who should have took Manning's spot.

RB: I'm fine with those selections.

WR: I'm fine with this but only because I have no idea who would replace Lloyd.

TE: Lewis played well and is a favorite of Garrard on Sundays, and Gates... I didn't think he had a good year and got in on reputation alone.

OT: I'm starting to Joe Thomas is making it on Reputation, Jake Long? Really? I would have went with Eugene Monroe the LT from Jacksonville. Also can we please start having Left & Right Tackles go to the Pro Bowl?

OG: Grubbs definitely got snubbed and should have went especially over Logan Mankins, who was out majority of the year because he was holding out!

C: I agree with these.

DE: Wow they could certainly have better AFC DEs.

DT: No disagreement here, I agree with them.

OLB: Agreed.

MLB: Ray again keeps proving doubters wrong, he once again had a great season and earned it. Mayo too, he's a corner stone for that Pats defense.

CB: Revis is the only person I think shouldn't have went, I would have given the spot to Joe Haden.

FS: No Problems.

SS: Troy had a decent year but not a Pro Bowl year.

K: Our Voting Paid Off! Cundiff deserved it!

P: Reputation Alone.

NFC:

QB: I would replace Ryan with Rodgers. Though I can't wait for next season to show Vick was a fluke this season.

RB: I agree with all but Peterson, I would have Forte in his place instead.

WR: I agree with all.

TE: I would take Witten out in a heart beat and replace him with Kellen Winslow with Gonzalez as the starter.

OT: Good god, that is the worst Pro Bowl Tackle lineup ever. Jason Peters isn't that good anymore, Jordon Gross is falling apart, big reason for Carolina's struggles. Chad Clifton? Should have been Donald Penn, Roger Saffold and the Atlanta LT.

OG: Fine with this except I replace Carl Nicks with Atlanta's RG.

C: Should have been Todd McClure, Jason Brown or the Saints Center.

I agree with the NFC Defense selections but or FS I would have chosen Earl Thomas.
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Gates was injured and put up more touchdowns than most receivers going to the pro bowl and let the Tight ends from both conferences with touch downs.

Like honestly man, your list has no credibility...You say you are fine with Reed and Merriweather going but Troy just had an average year? Are you kidding me? Wow...

[grape drank]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1293590262' post='587563']
Gates was injured and put up more touchdowns than most receivers going to the pro bowl and let the Tight ends from both conferences with touch downs.

Like honestly man, your list has no credibility...You say you are fine with Reed and Merriweather going but Troy just had an average year? Are you kidding me? Wow...
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troy deserves to go just because of what he does for the steelers. without troy the steelers D is terrible! troy has single handedly won 2 or 3 games this year that the steelers did not deserve to win, he is a huge play maker, if troy doesnt deserve to go neither does reed.

[Jamal]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1293583831' post='587482']

SS: Troy had a decent year but not a Pro Bowl year.

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100% false.

He has been amazing this year. You don't have to have gawty stats to have a good year.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293591228' post='587572']
100% false.

He has been amazing this year. You don't have to have gawty stats to have a good year.
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Exactly. Besides, 6 INTs, 1 TD and an unfortunate but key Sack and FF are pretty damn impressive for a SS. In fact, I believe his 6 INTs lead all SS's in the NFL.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1293589866' post='587561']
[b]But Brady makes those offensive players good. Branch was terrible in seattle, Welker was expendable on the dolphins, Woodhead was expendable on the Jets. These players are good don't get me wrong, but having Brady as a QB makes you a heck of a lot better.[/b] Not to mention every time a drive stalls the refs call a roughing the passer and extend it, giving them further opportunities to pad their stats. Perhaps more of their O linemen should have gone because no QB/RB has success without the big guys up front.
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Brady doesn't make the skill players around him look good; they are good. Branch didn't do much as a Seahawk partly due to injuries but also because Seattle thought he was a deep threat. The Pats coaches know his strengths and put him in positions to succeed. As for Welker, the Dolphins traded him to NE for a 2nd and 7th round pick so he wasn't completely expendable. And with his quickness and precise route running, it isn't hard Brady to complete passes to him.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1293581767' post='587444']
I have to disagree with Matt Ryan over AR. Come on now, and if it wasn't such a popularity contest, Flacco should have made it over Manning with the success of his team and his higher passer rating and less INTs. But congrats to Jamaal Charles, finally being noticed, as well to Cundiff. I'm proud of you man
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Snub of the year is easily Aaron Rodgers.

He has more TDs, less INTs, more passing yards, and he still missed a game!! The league loves Ryan though.

[berad]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1293592467' post='587584']
Snub of the year is easily Aaron Rodgers.

He has more TDs, less INTs, more passing yards, and he still missed a game!! The league loves Ryan though.
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His QB rating being 100+ without a running game is ridonkulous, too! It's worrisome that so many think differently.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1293592467' post='587584']
Snub of the year is easily Aaron Rodgers.

[b]He has more TDs, less INTs, more passing yards[/b], and he still missed a game!! The league loves Ryan though.
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In addition to that, Rodgers has 290 yards more rushing yards and 4 rushing TDs to Ryan's [i]zero[/i]. Th fans and league got this [b]wrong[/b].

[Jamal]

No wonder Ryan gets so much love. When a QB like Rogers gets beat by him in terms of popularity, than Flacco obviously has no chance to win the Ryan/Flacco debate.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293592887' post='587588']
No wonder Ryan gets so much love. When a QB like Rogers gets beat by him in terms of popularity, than Flacco obviously has no chance to win the Ryan/Flacco debate.
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He never stood a chance in that debate unless he just blatantly separates himself with his play from Ryan. Won't happen as long as Cam is here.

Koch got snubbed hard.

[Ed_Reed20]

While I disagree with him about Verner deserving a nod over Asomugha and Birnos being more worthy than Cundiff, this guy brings up some good snubs in this article. [url="http://larrybrownsports.com/football/afc-and-nfc-pro-bowl-roster-snubs-aaron-rodgers-matt-cassel-and-more/45354"]Link[/url]

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293593967' post='587595']
While I disagree with him about Verner deserving a nod over Asomugha and Birnos being more worthy than Cundiff, this guy brings up some good snubs in this article. [url="http://larrybrownsports.com/football/afc-and-nfc-pro-bowl-roster-snubs-aaron-rodgers-matt-cassel-and-more/45354"]Link[/url]
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I don't know. It's hard to put much stock in anyone's opinion when they think Cundiff doesn't deserve to be there.

Putting the snubs aside, I was impressed with the attitude from the Ravens that were selected. All credited their team mates (some mentioned by name) and the organization and coaches.

Hopefully no one gets to play, since we'll be in Dallas!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1293594292' post='587597']
[b]I don't know. It's hard to put much stock in anyone's opinion when they think Cundiff doesn't deserve to be there.[/b]

Putting the snubs aside, I was impressed with the attitude from the Ravens that were selected. All credited their team mates (some mentioned by name) and the organization and coaches.

Hopefully no one gets to play, since we'll be in Dallas!
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Being near perfect on field goal attempts and being money from 40+ yards is great but I don't see how being just 3 touch-backs away from breaking a record counts as just a "very good season".

But back to the snubs; I really can't believe the CBs representing the NFC. I can live with Samuel being selected because even though he gets beat at times, the Eagles can't stop anyone when he's out. Hall and Woodson making it is just a joke though. Woodson isn't even the best CB on his team anymore and for Hall, one big game thanks to Jay Cutler and a fumble return for a TD in a low-scoring game doesn't make him a Pro Bowler in my opinion.

[BrownsFan]

I am shocked Ryan made it over Rodgers; really unbelievable. Happy for Joe Thomas although this was statistically speaking his worst season and he probably made it more based on reputation. That's how it goes sometimes though.

Sucks for Hillis not making it but there's no way I can argue him making it over the three that did.. just a stacked AFC at RB.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293595112' post='587601']
Being near perfect on field goal attempts and being money from 40+ yards is great but I don't see how being just 3 touch-backs away from breaking a record counts as just a "very good season".

But back to the snubs; I really can't believe the CBs representing the NFC. I can live with Samuel being selected because even though he gets beat at times, the Eagles can't stop anyone when he's out. Hall and Woodson making it is just a joke though. Woodson isn't even the best CB on his team anymore and for Hall, one big game thanks to Jay Cutler and a fumble return for a TD in a low-scoring game doesn't make him a Pro Bowler in my opinion.
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I would disagree that DeAngelo's only game changing performance was Vs Chicago, considering that Hall's also made 2 huge FF, recovering them in the process. His TD against Dallas was the only TD in the game, and the strip against the Buccaneers would've helped lead them into OT if it wasn't for the missed Extra Point. I would, however, agree that one of the spots could've been given to another standout. In my opinion, Brent Grimes had a noteworthy Season, and has showed potential to be a solid CB in his last 2 years. Terrell Thomas has also been a key piece in the Giant's 8th ranked secondary. Then again, I can't properly judge Woodson, since his lack of turnovers could be because QBs are possibly avoiding him.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1293596420' post='587609']
I would disagree that DeAngelo's only game changing performance was Vs Chicago, considering that Hall's also made 2 huge FF, recovering them in the process. His TD against Dallas was the only TD in the game, and the strip against the Buccaneers would've helped lead them into OT if it wasn't for the missed Extra Point. I would, however, agree that one of the spots could've been given to another standout. In my opinion, Brent Grimes had a noteworthy Season, and has showed potential to be a solid CB in his last 2 years. Terrell Thomas has also been a key piece in the Giant's 8th ranked secondary. Then again, I can't properly judge Woodson, since his lack of turnovers could be because QBs are possibly avoiding him.
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I mentioned Halls TD against Dallas and the forced fumble against the Buccaneers was big. Still, he's been toasted routinely during the season and isn't a good tackler.

Grimes has had a fine season but Thomas has been stellar and definitely should have got a nod over Hall. Woodson's teammate Tramon Williams has outplayed him in coverage and created more turnovers too.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293597297' post='587613']
I mentioned Halls TD against Dallas and the forced fumble against the Buccaneers was big. Still, he's been toasted routinely during the season and isn't a good tackler.

Grimes has had a fine season but Thomas has been stellar and definitely should have got a nod over Hall. Woodson's teammate Tramon Williams has outplayed him in coverage and created more turnovers too.
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I missed your comment about the Cowboys. My mistake. As much of a fan as I am of Hall, I think both him and Asante routinely take too many chances that don't pan out, so their turnovers should have a tiny asterisk next to them. Once again, I can't defend neither Williams or Woodson, so I guess I'll take your word for it if you've been following them.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Samari' timestamp='1293581689' post='587442']
Phillip Rivers of the playoff-less Chargers and overrated Manning with his 17 interceptions making it over Flacco and Cassel is a joke.
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Rivers deserved it just about as much as anyone. Manning truly did not deserve it though. He got in because of his reputation of being the best. But people are supposed to vote on how he did that season. If people are voting on prior years then heck Favre should be in too. But really Flacco did deserve it more than Manning even though Manning is a better QB

[XxSizzleXx]

4 defensive players, 1 special teamer, niiiice.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1293597921' post='587616']
I missed your comment about the Cowboys. My mistake. As much of a fan as I am of Hall, I think both him and Asante routinely take too many chances that don't pan out, so their turnovers should have a tiny asterisk next to them. Once again, I can't defend neither Williams or Woodson, so I guess I'll take your word for it if you've been following them.
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An asterisk next to their turnovers? I like that.

[gabefergy]

It's kind of ridiculous that Matt Ryan made it over Aaron Rodgers, really makes me shake my head.

Also Sam Koch deserved to make it. It still boggles my mind how he deadens so many punts inside the 5 yard line.

[reediddy]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1293592581' post='587585']
His QB rating being 100+ without a running game is ridonkulous, too! It's worrisome that so many think differently.
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Ryan probably got points for having the NFC's best team (record-wise, IMO), and the fact that he is 20-2 at home. If the Pack were squarely in the playoffs I'd imagine Rodgers would get more love.

[berad]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1293603691' post='587655']
Ryan probably got points for having the NFC's best team (record-wise, IMO), and the fact that he is 20-2 at home. If the Pack were squarely in the playoffs I'd imagine Rodgers would get more love.
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That's true, too. Rodgers missing games and the Packers losing the head-to-head match up certainly didn't help, either. Still, a huge snub.

[Nadkins52]

im suprised Hillis didnt make it... i hate the Brownies but he is a beast

[dpatrickguy]

Sam Koch for MVP

[reediddy]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1293600730' post='587647']
It's kind of ridiculous that Matt Ryan made it over Aaron Rodgers, really makes me shake my head.

Also Sam Koch deserved to make it. It still boggles my mind how he deadens so many punts inside the 5 yard line.
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Lechler made it over Koch because of net punt yards and his name. The former makes sense because the Raiders offense is anemic.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1293604064' post='587661']
Lechler made it over Koch because of net punt yards and his name. [b]The former makes sense because the Raiders offense is anemic.[/b]
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Over the last several years? Yes. However, they're currently 10th in Total Offense and 7th in Points Per Game.

[scrock]

Matt Ryan is going to the Pro Bowl and Joe Flacco doesn't even get consideration! What a loud of crap that is, now I understand that Joe plays in the dominate conference and there are many more elite QBs he has to go against but still. All this love for Matt Ryan is sickening....unbiased my @$$

[scrock]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293582229' post='587456']
The Flacco/Ryan debate is now basically impossible now that Ryan made the pro-bowl. Even though he shouldn't have gotten the nod over Rogers....
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No, no it's not, Matty 'Ice' plays in an inferior conference where QBs is considered. Joe Flacco goes up against much more competition...the both had almost identical records and their stats are the same, Joe has had more success in the playoffs though.

Flacco has more upside, Ryan seems to be playing at his peak.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1293581281' post='587431']
What corner should of gone in his place? The guy led his team with interceptions and Passes defended.

I am upset Sam Koch didn't make it.
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Joe Haden played better he has the same number of picks, more pass deflections except he didn't start 15 games like Devin he only started 6 games all year.