Anquan Boldin - Whats Been Up?

[McBoller]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294017444' post='591410']
Can you share some of the articles that suggest Joe has finished developing?

I don't understand how he got lucky at all on that TD pass to Houshmandzadeh.
[/quote]MAYBE he got lucky, or maybe he's the second coming of Tom Brady. I said that only because on that particular play he was staring Housh down as if that was the design of the play and he got it there even though the receiver wasnt necessarily "wide open" Its not like housh was his 3rd read on that play standing in the end zone waving his arms.


Here's one of the articles. Another one weas on yahoo one time, but I cant find it.
http://temple3.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/is-joe-flacco-the-worst-postseason-qb-of-all-time/

[McBoller]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1294017525' post='591413']
I hate to admit it but yes he does. On the play where he lobbed it up to Rice and got the PI Housh did the same as Boldin in the Panthers highlight, running clean across the middle.
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and its weird because it seems like most of his INTs come on lazy throws to the outside rather than throws over the middle. Those kind of INTs usually come off of deflections though. I wonder if he's really scared of throwing an INT or if he just doesnt recognize when someone is open over the middle, its interesting debate.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1294017525' post='591413']
I hate to admit it but yes he does. On the play where he lobbed it up to Rice and got the PI Housh did the same as Boldin in the Panthers highlight, running clean across the middle.
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On that play, I wonder if Cam told him to go to Rice. I could see him doing that considering the play worked perfectly against the Saints.

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294017713' post='591417']
MAYBE he got lucky, or maybe he's the second coming of Tom Brady. I said that only because on that particular play he was staring Housh down as if that was the design of the play and he got it there even though the receiver wasnt necessarily "wide open" Its not like housh was his 3rd read on that play standing in the end zone waving his arms.


Here's one of the articles. Another one weas on yahoo one time, but I cant find it.
http://temple3.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/is-joe-flacco-the-worst-postseason-qb-of-all-time/
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Okay, I get you now. Yes, he stared Housh down but the throw was so good, the defense could do nothing about it.

Well, the article you presented didn't really say anything I didn't know.Flacco hasn't played well in the play-offs. Not many rookies or second year players do. I don't see where it suggested Joe's talent has "maxed out" though. I'd seriosuly question anyone making that claim about a QB in his third season.

On another note, this statement caught my eye:

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How much worse does it have to get before Ozzie Newsome turns to the guy he originally envisioned in this position: Troy Smith?
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Taking a flier on a QB with limited upside suggests Ozzie "envisioned" Troy as the starter?

[XxSizzleXx]

Maybe there will be a huge Boldin breakout in the playoffs.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294020627' post='591462']
Maybe there will be a huge Boldin breakout in the playoffs.
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Saving it up

[McBoller]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294020627' post='591462']
Maybe there will be a huge Boldin breakout in the playoffs.
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Im thinking not. Considering "we are who we are" as Harbaugh said, then you add in the injuries and flaccos regression and Id say we are actually getting worse. I wouldnt look for anything different in the playoffs. Just have to hoe the ball keep bouncing our way in these too-tight games.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294029179' post='591604']
Im thinking not. Considering "we are who we are" as Harbaugh said, then you add in the injuries and [b]flaccos regression[/b] and Id say we are actually getting worse. I wouldnt look for anything different in the playoffs. Just have to hoe the ball keep bouncing our way in these too-tight games.
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So him not putting up big numbers down the stretch means he's regressed? You act as if the play of everyone around him has been consistently good.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294030161' post='591615']
So him not putting up big numbers down the stretch means he's regressed? You act as if the play of everyone around him has been consistently good.
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Most everyone around him is doing their job, overall.
Is the line giving him a clean pocket for 4 seconds every dropback? no, but they are doing an adequate job. He needs to get rid of the ball quicker, thats it.
Are all 5 eligible receivers open on every play? no, but when they send out more than 2 receivers, there is usually one open within 2 seconds on most plays. Whether Joe sees that or not is another question.
Does he manage to get frazzled when the #1 isnt IMMEDIATELY wide open? yes
Is he taking command of the game? no.

This is the NFL, if you arent getting better then you are getting worse and if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. We cant be stagnant at any position.

[Alexir]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294030496' post='591618']
Most everyone around him is doing their job, overall.
Is the line giving him a clean pocket for 4 seconds every dropback? no, but they are doing an adequate job. He needs to get rid of the ball quicker, thats it.
Are all 5 eligible receivers open on every play? no, but when they send out more than 2 receivers, there is usually one open within 2 seconds on most plays. Whether Joe sees that or not is another question.
Does he manage to get frazzled when the #1 isnt IMMEDIATELY wide open? yes
Is he taking command of the game? no.

This is the NFL, if you arent getting better then you are getting worse and if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. We cant be stagnant at any position.
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[scrock]

Maybe he's got some injury we don't know about, maybe he's lost a step and can't get open like he used to, or maybe the defenses saw how Joe and Boldin were lighting it up earlier in the year and decided on shutting that connection down.

I'm sure Boldin is upset at his production too. He was on pace for 1300+ yards and ended up with less than 900......something happened....

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294030496' post='591618']
Most everyone around him is doing their job, overall.
Is the line giving him a clean pocket for 4 seconds every dropback? no, but they are doing an adequate job. He needs to get rid of the ball quicker, thats it.
Are all 5 eligible receivers open on every play? no, but when they send out more than 2 receivers, there is usually one open within 2 seconds on most plays. Whether Joe sees that or not is another question.
Does he manage to get frazzled when the #1 isnt IMMEDIATELY wide open? yes
Is he taking command of the game? no.

This is the NFL, if you arent getting better then you are getting worse and if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. We cant be stagnant at any position.
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I wouldn't say the o-line is doing an "adequate job". They rarely get a push in the running game and against good front fours, they often crumble. It's happened in both Bengals games, it happened against the Texans, it happened against the Falcons in the first half and even Tampa Bay was able to get pressure and drop Joe four times.

You're entitled to your opinions but I can't believe that a receiver is "usually open with 2 seconds on most plays" without evidence to back up that claim.

To me, Joe didn't look "frazzled" when his primary target was taken away and he was given time to scan the field. He wasn't fast in making his reads(a flaw in his game) but he found the open man(see T.J.'s first catch) and extend the play to the best of his abilities(see Heap's second catch).

I agree he doesn't often take command of the game but can we say he's been given command of the game?

To your final statement, has the o-line gotten better?

[McBoller]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294033844' post='591656']
I wouldn't say the o-line is doing an "adequate job". They rarely get a push in the running game and against good front fours, they often crumble. It's happened in both Bengals games, it happened against the Texans, it happened against the Falcons in the first half and even Tampa Bay was able to get pressure and drop Joe four times.

[b]You're entitled to your opinions but I can't believe that a receiver is "usually open with 2 seconds on most plays" without evidence to back up that claim. [/b]

To me, Joe didn't look "frazzled" when his primary target was taken away and he was given time to scan the field. He wasn't fast in making his reads(a flaw in his game) but he found the open man(see T.J.'s first catch) and extend the play to the best of his abilities(see Heap's second catch).

I agree he doesn't often take command of the game but can we say he's been given command of the game?

To your final statement, has the o-line gotten better?
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Well, I guess I can only verify this in the game that I was just at. Only two of Cincys sacks came bc of immediate pressure. The rest I swear everyone in the stands saw heap, boldin, or mason open and we're all screaming HE'S OPEN while flacco is scrambling with his head down.

A perfect example is his INT. Heap was open at LEAST a full 2second before he lobbed up that duck. He even still had a chance to get an easy TD if he threw it longer and toward the sideline.

No, the O-line hasnt gotten any better, but as a QB I believe you have to adapt. If you know the line sucks, DO something about it. Dont presume they're gonna protect you for 5 seconds when they havent done it all game.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294055427' post='591712']
Well, I guess I can only verify this in the game that I was just at. Only two of Cincys sacks came bc of immediate pressure. The rest I swear everyone in the stands saw heap, boldin, or mason open and we're all screaming HE'S OPEN while flacco is scrambling with his head down.

A perfect example is his INT. Heap was open at LEAST a full 2second before he lobbed up that duck. He even still had a chance to get an easy TD if he threw it longer and toward the sideline.

No, the O-line hasnt gotten any better, but as a QB I believe you have to adapt. If you know the line sucks, DO something about it. Dont presume they're gonna protect you for 5 seconds when they havent done it all game.
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To your first point, fair enough. I can definitely picture players wide open down the field and Joe not seeing them for whatever reason.

What puzzled me about the interception was why Joe didn't attempt to throw on the run after escaping the pocket. The aerial shot showed Heap a number of yards behind the safeties and with him arm, Joe should have been able to muscle a pass to him.

Yes, he should adapt but I feel the offensive coordinator should as well. You brought up two scenarios where people were open and Joe missed them. However, I truly believe and have seen evidence that Cam often has the receivers run time-consuming routes, which seems rather senseless considering the o-line season-long struggles in pass protection.

At this point, it's painfully nothing will change and all we can hope for is the team goes as far as it can this season and changes are made in the off-season.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294074171' post='591900']
What puzzled me about the interception was why Joe didn't attempt to throw on the run after escaping the pocket. The aerial shot showed Heap a number of yards behind the safeties and with him arm, Joe should have been able to muscle a pass to him.
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I was in the stands up in the 500s and this play was the most mind boggling. From up top looking down you could see Heap so wide open. Everbody in the stands were screaming "Heap!!!!!" There was nobody even close to him for the longest time. You could see that Flacco saw him, but why didn't he just muster enough power to throw the ball anywhere near that area? Heap was at a standstill and could've made the play.

Instead Flacco worked hard at extended the play and when doing so he stared down Heap. Which allowed the safety to have a running start at the INT.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294074485' post='591907']
I was in the stands up in the 500s and this play was the most mind boggling. From up top looking down you could see Heap so wide open. Everbody in the stands were screaming "Heap!!!!!" There was nobody even close to him for the longest time. You could see that Flacco saw him, but why didn't he just muster enough power to throw the ball anywhere near that area? Heap was at a standstill and could've made the play.

Instead Flacco worked hard at extended the play and when doing so he stared down Heap. Which allowed the safety to have a running start at the INT.
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Heap was open long before he ended up just standing there by the end zone, but once again Joe missed him. He could have hit him before running out of the pocket too... it's just sad.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1293563458' post='587225']
Well if you ask Q, I bet he will tell you he's been wide open a LOT and doesn't even get a look in his direction. If you want to blame this on play-calling... fine, but the whole point of play-calling is to get guys open. Flacco still just doesn't have very good vision or awareness. He will tease you with a 3 TD performance every once in a while, but he never racks up the yards and he very rarely put a few good games together. Just way too inconsistent. And when the fans(and Ravens) are finally able to admit this, perhaps they'll FINALLY get back to running the ball with the great set of 3 backs that they have.
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Joe Flacco's FIRST 3 seasons in the NFL:

60 TD'S
Over 10,000 yds passing.
3 straight playoff appearances
Name 10 QB's who have EVER done that in their first 3 seasons then get back to me
Let's not forget that since Flacco's terrible game against the Bengals the first time we played them, he has quietly been on a pace only exceeded by Tom Brady.

Oh and consistency? The only other Ravens QB that has matched Flacco's consistency was Kyle Boller..who was consistently BAD. Do me a favor and just leave it alone, even if Flacco were to stay at the same level he is now, he is still good enough to win a super bowl with.

[McBoller]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294074485' post='591907']
I was in the stands up in the 500s and this play was the most mind boggling. From up top looking down you could see Heap so wide open. Everbody in the stands were screaming "Heap!!!!!" There was nobody even close to him for the longest time. You could see that Flacco saw him, but why didn't he just muster enough power to throw the ball anywhere near that area? Heap was at a standstill and could've made the play.

Instead Flacco worked hard at extended the play and when doing so he stared down Heap. Which allowed the safety to have a running start at the INT.
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Im right there with ya bud. Up in section 512 screaming and shouting, lol.

[Nadkins52]

I dont think Boldin cares as long as we win

[McBoller]

[quote name='Nadkins52' timestamp='1294102511' post='592535']
I dont think Boldin cares as long as we win
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You think wrong my friend. You can see it on his face during AND after the game. No, he's not worrying about his own stats, but he IS thinking the same thing us fans are. This team has 1,000,000,000% more potential and we're not living up to it.

[Nadkins52]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294105672' post='592604']
You think wrong my friend. You can see it on his face during AND after the game. No, he's not worrying about his own stats, but he IS thinking the same thing us fans are. This team has 1,000,000,000% more potential and we're not living up to it.
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I agree but we are living up to it some how look at the record 12-4 its not hockey nobody cares how many points u score.... regardless Boldin is WWWWWAAAAAAYYYYYY happier in B-More than he would be in AZ

[McBoller]

I think Boldin is pretty happy about what went down today, wouldnt you say?


btw, I TOTALLY called his TD catch before that play. I saw some type of motion and a hand signal and it was all over for the chiefs, lol.

[reediddy]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294615350' post='599080']
I think Boldin is pretty happy about what went down today, wouldnt you say?


btw, I TOTALLY called his TD catch before that play. I saw some type of motion and a hand signal and it was all over for the chiefs, lol.
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Seriously such a beautiful play.

[PuRock]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294615350' post='599080']
I think Boldin is pretty happy about what went down today, wouldnt you say?


btw, I TOTALLY called his TD catch before that play. I saw some type of motion and a hand signal and it was all over for the chiefs, lol.
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Boldin is enjoying his day much more than Bowe. I don't think Bowe was targeted once today. Chiefs only had two completions to wide receivers, and neither of them were starters. Curtis & Tucker.

[cuervodoro]

The onus for Boldin's not receiving is not all on Cam. Of course double-cover will pin him, resulting in other players be freed up.

Also, I will not pretend and overexaggerate my football knowledge, but this is year one for coaching staff and players to build communications and play strategies. The team is diverse and complex, finding the right balance is an art, and you are witnessing now, Ravens Team synergy in fruition.

[reediddy]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294616964' post='599134']
Boldin is enjoying his day much more than Bowe. I don't think Bowe was targeted once today. Chiefs only had two completions to wide receivers, and neither of them were starters. Curtis & Tucker.
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Actually not even targeted because the shutdown corner known as Josh Wilson was on him all day.

Boldin will get his fill this week against Pittsburgh. Ike Taylor is a bad matchup against him, he can't handle the blend of size and speed that Boldin possesses. CAN'T WAIT!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1294937479' post='602824']
Actually not even targeted because the shutdown corner known as Josh Wilson was on him all day.

Boldin will get his fill this week against Pittsburgh. Ike Taylor is a bad matchup against him, he can't handle the blend of size and speed that Boldin possesses. CAN'T WAIT!
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Actually, it was CB by committee, with Carr spending the most time on Bowe.