Anquan Boldin - Whats Been Up?

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[quote name='Yurtle' timestamp='1293941256' post='589578']
Okay, you shouldn't comment on this stuff, you might hurt yourself.

You said #1 receivers have size, speed, and strength. I think you meant size, speed, OR strength, because your examples do not justify your criteria at all.

[b]Jacoby Ford[/b] is 5'9. There goes the size.

[b]DeSean Jackson[/b] is listed at 5'10 and he weighs 175. There goes the size and strength. In fact, Jackson has one of the weakest upper bodies of any pro receiver.

I agree that Jackson is a #1, but your criteria illustrates your ignorance on the subject. Boldin has great hands and strength. That combined with his two 100-catch years and his ability to get 1000-yd seasons without playing 16 games in the past should demonstrate his ability as an outstanding receiver. [b]Before Cam got his hands on him, Boldin averaged the most yards/game of any WR in NFL history. If that's not a #1, I don't know what is. He's currently #4 all-time, above Fitzgerald, Calvin Jonson, and DeSean Jackson to name a few. He's below only Andre Johnson, Torry Holt, and Marvin Harrison.[/b] He would still be #1 if Cam knew how to use him. You're telling me a guy who gets more yds/game than Jerry Rice and Randy Moss for his career is a #2? Don't hurt yourself.

And don't tell me he's lost so many steps because of his age. He's only 30. That's not that old for a WR, and players don't really magically lose speed when they turn 30, as most fans think they do. Q is one of the most skilled receivers in the league, and you don't really know what you're talking about. Cam is the problem here, not Q. Ozzie would slap you in the face if you were in his draft room.

Oh yeah -- forgot to mention that he's above Jacoby Ford, too...

See for yourself. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm
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Size = muscle not stature in football. You can be big with a small body if you are strong for your size. Your talking Boldin numbers, really! When he played opposite one of the guys on the list with a hall of fame qb in Kurt Warner. I love the word ignorance, its usually the people that use it, and comment, on this sport, that have never played the game. How about this for a challenge, play then talk.

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[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1293939238' post='589560']
All our receivers are ones. Any given Sunday, the defensive coordinators we play against will make adjustments to take a certain player out of the game. Obviously, most of the time it's Boldin. So what happens? Mason becomes our 1. If Mason starts getting locked up, Housh will be our one. Any given game, any one of these three great receivers we have will produce. After the first game against the Browns, where Boldin had 3 TDs, would you have said he wasn't a 1? No! Absolutely not.
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Like they have been all season. Minus Mason of course.

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[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1293920070' post='589470']
This is what Cam does to people.
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wow this might be true. Glad someone see's it.

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[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1293919086' post='589466']
He's also 5'9" (not saying height is everything, but c'mon) and has maxed out his frame at 185 - if he adds any more bulk he'll lose a step.

He's a good deep threat and return man. He's a playmaker but not a legit #1 receiver and I doubt he ever will be.

If you wanted to use an example from this year's class you could've gone for Dez Bryant or Mike Williams. They both look like legit #1s, but I guess Mike doesn't have the 4.2 speed you need to be a number 1...
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Not weight room training, technique. Sorry i didn't make that clear. But he can be well on his way to being a one. Did you see him today? I rest my case.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293912413' post='589431']
There's nothing to "get" because your argument makes no sense. By your definition, a possession receiver can't be a #1 WR. Really?

Blazing speed isn't necessary to be primary target. Cris Carter, Sterling Sharpe, Reggie Wayne and Larry Fitzgerald to name a few have all had very successful careers despite lacking big-time speed.

Boldin frequently flirted 100 catches as a Cardinal because the coaching staff knew he was at his best catching short to intermediate passes and getting yards after the catch. Cam obviously doesn't get that and we've seen the sharp dip in Q's production.
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Ed reed 20 all of those guys are faster than Boldin. Did you look before you posted. I don't even have to check that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1294001265' post='590686']
Ed reed 20 all of those guys are faster than Boldin. Did you look before you posted. I don't even have to check that.
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Fitzgerald is but Carter, Sharpe and Wayne have never been speed demons. Quite simply, you've failed in your attempt to say Boldin isn't a #1 WR.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294002608' post='590853']
Fitzgerald is but Carter, Sharpe and Wayne have never been speed demons. Quite simply, you've failed in your attempt to say Boldin isn't a #1 WR.
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All of them have a faster 40 time than Boldin. Failed? I don't even have to check that. I know yall have been on here a long time you, Franchise, a few moderators. but move over ill take it from here........lol j/k Happy new year....

[Jamal]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1294004581' post='590943']
All of them have a faster 40 time than Boldin. Failed? I don't even have to check that. I know yall have been on here a long time you, Franchise, a few moderators. but move over ill take it from here........lol j/k Happy new year....
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I agree. Faster 40 times = better WR's. Ed_Reed20 is dead wrong obviously.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1294004581' post='590943']
All of them have a faster 40 time than Boldin. Failed? I don't even have to check that. I know yall have been on here a long time you, Franchise, a few moderators. but move over ill take it from here........lol j/k Happy new year....
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So wait, a faster 40 time means you're a faster player on the field? Just stop it man. Again, Carter, Sharpe and Wayne, like Boldin weren't/aren't speed demons but they made plays(partly because they were/are put in position to do so).

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1293563458' post='587225']
[b]Flacco still just doesn't have very good vision or awareness. He will tease you with a 3 TD performance every once in a while, but he never racks up the yards and he very rarely put a few good games together. Just way too inconsistent. And when the fans(and Ravens) are finally able to admit this, perhaps they'll FINALLY get back to running the ball with the great set of 3 backs that they have[/b][/quote]

continue to speak the truth bruh....irregardless of how many - the cats in here wanna give out!

truth is a beautiful thing!

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294005006' post='590960']
So wait, a faster 40 time means you're a faster player on the field? Just stop it man.
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Did i say that? But since you mentioned it, which one of these players are not faster than Boldin on the field.

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[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1294004955' post='590957']
I agree. Faster 40 times = better WR's. Ed_Reed20 is dead wrong obviously.
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Your late that was not the whole argument sorry brah.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1294005105' post='590968']
Did i say that? But since you mentioned it, which one of these players are not faster than Boldin on the field.
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Watching highlights of Sharpe and Carter, I don't think either of them are. Honestly though, this is all conjecture. You believe Q isn't a true "number one". I could care less really. What's painfully obvious is that Cam hasn't used him very effectively this season, especially in the second half of the campaign.

[Jamal]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1294005277' post='590974']
Your late that was not the whole argument sorry brah.
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Oh silly me. Obviously your the smartest person on this board.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294005382' post='590978']
Watching highlights of Sharpe and Carter, I don't think either of them are. Honestly though, this is all conjecture. You believe Q isn't a true "number one". I could care less really. What's painfully obvious is that Cam hasn't used him very effectively this season, especially in the second half of the campaign.
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I agree.

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[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1294005530' post='590983']
Oh silly me. Obviously your the smartest person on this board.
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Wow you just got ignored. Thank you though, Happy New Year.

[Jamal]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1294005744' post='590995']
Wow you just got ignored. Thank you though, Happy New Year.
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Definition of the word ignore:
- refuse to acknowledge
- fail to notice

Clearly someone doesn't know the meaning because you just replied to my post....

[Yurtle]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293997911' post='590257']
Size = muscle not stature in football. You can be big with a small body if you are strong for your size. Your talking Boldin numbers, really! When he played opposite one of the guys on the list with a hall of fame qb in Kurt Warner. I love the word ignorance, its usually the people that use it, and comment, on this sport, that have never played the game. How about this for a challenge, play then talk.
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Q also did great with [b]Jeff Blake[/b] and [b]Josh McCown[/b] at QB. Blake and McCown are awful. And even in Kurt's first season with Boldin (2005), Kurt was not playing well at all. Boldin played well before and after Fitzgerald or Warner arrived.

You're telling me the WR who averaged the most yds/game in NFL history (prior to this season) is not a #1? You are wrong. Production is production. If he doesn't fit your mold of a #1, well, too bad.

[McBoller]

I dont that anything was up with Boldin today. I was at the game and was fully participating in the booing of Flacco(yes I said I was booing flacco, not the playcaller or anyone else on the offense) after he was twice sacked while not even looking the way of a [size="5"]WIDE OPEN[/size] Boldin right down the middle of the field. I guess he's not even allowed to look over the middle, let alone make plays there.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294015737' post='591356']
I dont that anything was up with Boldin today. I was at the game and was fully participating in the booing of Flacco(yes I said I was booing flacco, not the playcaller or anyone else on the offense) after he was twice sacked while not even looking the way of a [size="5"]WIDE OPEN[/size] Boldin right down the middle of the field. I guess he's not even allowed to look over the middle, let alone make plays there.
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The boo birds were definitely warranted today. I feel bad for Boldin

Hey, what people aren't talking about is his durability. Everyone said he might give us 12 games, maybe 13 or 14, but this guy showed up each and every week and played his heart out. It's not his fault Joe and Cam couldn't find ways to get him the ball.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294015737' post='591356']
I dont that anything was up with Boldin today. I was at the game and was fully participating in the booing of Flacco(yes I said I was booing flacco, not the playcaller or anyone else on the offense) after he was twice sacked while not even looking the way of a [size="5"]WIDE OPEN[/size] Boldin right down the middle of the field. I guess he's not even allowed to look over the middle, let alone make plays there.
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Interesting. I was watching highlights of the Panthers game a few days ago and noticed Joe hitting Mason on a comeback(a milestone reception) route when Q had beaten his man cleanly and was running over the middle. It appears Joe [i]does[/i] have an issue throwing over the middle.

Still, it doesn't excuse the lack of short routes to Boldin this season.

[McBoller]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1294016058' post='591364']
The boo birds were definitely warranted today. I feel bad for Boldin

Hey, what people aren't talking about is his durability. Everyone said he might give us 12 games, maybe 13 or 14, but this guy showed up each and every week and played his heart out. It's not his fault Joe and Cam couldn't find ways to get him the ball.
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yeah, he didnt last 16 weeks because he was used to his maximum potential. Tough gritty receiver over the middle, runs people over. What does he do here? Runs outs and comebacks to the outside. When he does get open over the middle Joe isnt allowed to throw to him apparently. Today was the first game I got to go to this year. You see a LOT more at the game then on TV. If this is the way its been alyear then its NO WONDER why the offense has been sucking. Number 1 our O-line is trash for pass protection. Number 2, Joe cannot make decision if the primary receiver is covered at the top of their route, PERIOD.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294016466' post='591378']
yeah, he didnt last 16 weeks because he was used to his maximum potential. Tough gritty receiver over the middle, runs people over. What does he do here? Runs outs and comebacks to the outside. When he does get open over the middle Joe isnt allowed to throw to him apparently. Today was the first game I got to go to this year. You see a LOT more at the game then on TV. If this is the way its been alyear then its NO WONDER why the offense has been sucking. Number 1 our O-line is trash for pass protection. Number 2, Joe cannot make decision if the primary receiver is covered at the top of their route, PERIOD.
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You're totally on point. Our lackluster offense actually preserved Boldin for the playoffs... maybe NOW he's going to really break out? If Joe can't read routes over the middle or isn't "allowed" to throw over the middle, then we've got to go in a different direction.

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[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294016466' post='591378']
yeah, he didnt last 16 weeks because he was used to his maximum potential. Tough gritty receiver over the middle, runs people over. What does he do here? Runs outs and comebacks to the outside. When he does get open over the middle Joe isnt allowed to throw to him apparently. Today was the first game I got to go to this year. You see a LOT more at the game then on TV. If this is the way its been alyear then its NO WONDER why the offense has been sucking. Number 1 our O-line is trash for pass protection. [b]Number 2, Joe cannot make decision if the primary receiver is covered at the top of their route, PERIOD.[/b]
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He doesn't do it often enough but I wouldn't say he can't go through his reads "period". Houshmandzadeh's first grab and Heap's second one were examples where the primary guy was covered.

My biggest problem with Joe right now is how slowly he goes through his progressions. I really hope he works on it in the off-season.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

cam

[smiley4660]

I didn't go to the game today because I feared a letdown. Well, we won the game which is good but the quality of offensive play was absolutely a letdown. I just don't get it. I'll just shut up, relish victory number 12 and look forward to victory number 13 next Sunday against the Chiefs. Go Ravens!

[McBoller]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1294016611' post='591383']
You're totally on point. Our lackluster offense actually preserved Boldin for the playoffs... maybe NOW he's going to really break out? If Joe can't read routes over the middle or isn't "allowed" to throw over the middle, then we've got to go in a different direction.
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yes, sadly Ive been reading a lot of articles by different people that think Joe's talent may be maxed out and this is as good as he's going to get. He has the physical tools, but lacks poise, consistency and accuracy...ESPECIALLY in the 2nd half.

I dont understand how he can make that BRILLIANT TD pass to Housh last week right up the seam between two defenders but he cant do that in the middle of the field. Soemthing tells me thats what that particular play was designed for and he was more forcing it than anything and got lucky. Most of the time he just looks afraid to throw the ball.


wow, somehow I morphed this Boldin thread into a Flacco, thread...sorry

[McBoller]

[quote name='smiley4660' timestamp='1294017176' post='591400']
I didn't go to the game today because I feared a letdown. Well, we won the game which is good but the quality of offensive play was absolutely a letdown. I just don't get it. I'll just shut up, relish victory number 12 and look forward to victory number 13 next Sunday against the Chiefs. Go Ravens!
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I feel the same way. it was pretty sad to hear the guy yelling "playoffs" walking down the ramp getting heckled bc of how mad fans were about this crappy performance by the offense AGAIN.

Its like Harbaugh said a couple weeks ago. We are what we are...thats obviously not changing. And its sad bc that also says that we arent getting any better.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1294017190' post='591401']
yes, sadly Ive been reading a lot of articles by different people that think Joe's talent may be maxed out and this is as good as he's going to get. He has the physical tools, but lacks poise, consistency and accuracy...ESPECIALLY in the 2nd half.

I dont understand how he can make that BRILLIANT TD pass to Housh last week right up the seam between two defenders but he cant do that in the middle of the field. Soemthing tells me thats what that particular play was designed for and he was more forcing it than anything and got lucky. Most of the time he just looks afraid to throw the ball.


wow, somehow I morphed this Boldin thread into a Flacco, thread...sorry
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Can you share some of the articles that suggest Joe has finished developing?

I don't understand how he got lucky at all on that TD pass to Houshmandzadeh.

[Milton145]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294016136' post='591367']
Interesting. I was watching highlights of the Panthers game a few days ago and noticed Joe hitting Mason on a comeback(a milestone reception) route when Q had beaten his man cleanly and was running over the middle. It appears Joe [i]does[/i] have an issue throwing over the middle.

Still, it doesn't excuse the lack of short routes to Boldin this season.
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I hate to admit it but yes he does. On the play where he lobbed it up to Rice and got the PI Housh did the same as Boldin in the Panthers highlight, running clean across the middle.