Anquan Boldin - Whats Been Up?

[Alexir]

[quote name='reed20' timestamp='1293555642' post='587116']
This guys an awesome reciever, where has he been lately? Last good game was against Pittsburgh, the best defense we've played all year so it doesnt make sense hes not getting touches against these other teams.


In the superbowl against Pitt he caught 8 for 84 yds, 7 for 68 in week 4 @ Pitt and 5 for 118 and a TD in week 13 so atleast if we run into Pitt again I think we can count on him to be productive. Seems to know what to do against them.


We need to get him going against all these other teams though ASAP!
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It's not Q's fault. Its just the fact that Joe barely looks his way due to double teams and when he does throw the ball, he underthrows it to Joe Haden.

This is why I think Stallworth needs more snaps. Have him run 9 routes so the DB and Safety follow him, and we gash up defenses underneath with Q and Mase.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1293572395' post='587346']
It's not Q's fault. Its just the fact that Joe barely looks his way due to double teams and when he does throw the ball, he underthrows it to Joe Haden.
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Why are you talking about something that happened once as if it's a trend? Flacco has thrown 4 interceptions since week 2.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1293563458' post='587225']
Well if you ask Q, I bet he will tell you he's been wide open a LOT and doesn't even get a look in his direction. If you want to blame this on play-calling... fine, but the whole point of play-calling is to get guys open. Flacco still just doesn't have very good vision or awareness. He will tease you with a 3 TD performance every once in a while, but he never racks up the yards and he very rarely put a few good games together. Just way too inconsistent. And when the fans(and Ravens) are finally able to admit this, perhaps they'll FINALLY get back to running the ball with the great set of 3 backs that they have. They ran the ball GREAT in the Saints game... then the following week against the Browns they refuse to really run it until the 4th quarter to milk the clock.
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....says the man who suggested we [b]trade[/b] Ray Rice for a Corner in the offseason.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293571884' post='587341']
Stallworth is rarely on the field, so Q is basically given what Stall should be given.
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You would think he would know that Boldin is not really a deep threat.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Ever since Mason fussed at Joe about not getting balls, Q's thrown to's have diminished and Mase's have increased. Maybe Q needs to fuss at Joe!

[Jamal]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1293576269' post='587379']
You would think he would know that Boldin is not really a deep threat.
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You would think Cam has an inch of common sense.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

I think that Cam allows the opposing teams defense to dictate who we throw the ball to, rather than trusting our playmakers to make plays. Boldin can go up after a ball and I think we should force the opposing team to defend him, rather than refuse to pass to him

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' timestamp='1293579804' post='587409']
I think that Cam allows the opposing teams defense to dictate who we throw the ball to, rather than trusting our playmakers to make plays. [b]Boldin can go up after a ball[/b] and I think we should force the opposing team to defend him, rather than refuse to pass to him
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Jump-balls really aren't Q's forte. He's at his best with the ball in his hands.

[Alexir]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1293573194' post='587352']
Why are you talking about something that happened once as if it's a trend? Flacco has thrown 4 interceptions since week 2.
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I was talking specifically about that game. Also, just because its not intercepted doesnt mean he doesnt throw bad passes.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1293581178' post='587427']
I was talking specifically about that game. Also, just because its not intercepted doesnt mean he doesnt throw bad passes.
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Joe did actually miss Q a few times against the Browns. Still, all QBs throw a number of off passes during a game but it shouldn't be so hard to get a player like Q involved.

People have said Q not being involved has gotten others involved but even with Boldin supposedly drawing attention and there being other options, the offense has still struggled numerous times in key situations.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293576998' post='587384']
You would think Cam has an inch of common sense.
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That too.

[Tiznut]

Q is fine. Mason and ray rice have been open more and easier targets.

As for not creating spots just for him there have been numerous times there have been plays for him but the passes weren't all on point.

Some high and others showed how much the defense focus on him

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Tiznut' timestamp='1293758674' post='588630']
Q is fine. Mason and ray rice have been open more and easier targets.

[b]As for not creating spots just for him there have been numerous times there have been plays for him but the passes weren't all on point.[/b]

Some high and others showed how much the defense focus on him
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Passes his way have fallen incomplete for different reasons but how often have we seen a slant or screen go his way this season.

I'd bet money Q has had more fades thrown his way than slants or screens this season.

[Guest RBates]

Q is not a true one i said it when we signed him. Is he good? yes! does he do the dirty work? yes! True one? No. If you think he is a true one then why can't he get open. That's right because they roll coverage to him. All ones get coverage rolled to their side of the field it doesn't stop them from getting their fair share. No excuses we have a lot of two's and three's on this team.

[Va BeaCh RaVeN]

I just wish we'd all get to see one of those quick goal line screens that the Cardinals used to execute with Boldin every Sunday. Please CAM!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293763502' post='588672']
Q is not a true one i said it when we signed him. Is he good? yes! does he do the dirty work? yes! True one? No. [b]If you think he is a true one then why can't he get open.[/b] That's right because they roll coverage to him. All ones get coverage rolled to their side of the field it doesn't stop them from getting their fair share. No excuses we have a lot of two's and three's on this team.
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You write as if there's a clear definition for what a #1 WR is.

Boldin isn't routinely open because he's often asked to run fly routes which have never been what he's excelled in. Separation down the field has never been his game either. Q is at his best with the ball in his hands. He may not be explosive as he was in his prime but he's proven numerous times this year he's still a tough player to bring down.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293765322' post='588695']
You write as if there's a clear definition for what a #1 WR is.

Boldin isn't routinely open because he's often asked to run fly routes which have never been what he's excelled in. Separation down the field has never been his game either. Q is at his best with the ball in his hands. He may not be explosive as he was in his prime but he's proven numerous times this year he's still a tough player to bring down.
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Agreed. He still a number two and you just gave the reason why. Ones have speed and strength. Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Randy moss, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, possibly; Jacoby Ford,to name a few. Speed hands and size. I told yall that he was a two when we got him.

[Jamal]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293812973' post='588852']
Agreed. He still a number two and you just gave the reason why. Ones have speed and strength. Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Randy moss, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, possibly; [b]Jacoby Ford[/b],to name a few. Speed hands and size. I told yall that he was a two when we got him.
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So Ford is a #1, but Boldin isn't?

[scrock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293765322' post='588695']
You write as if there's a clear definition for what a #1 WR is.

Boldin isn't routinely open because he's often asked to run fly routes which have never been what he's excelled in. Separation down the field has never been his game either. Q is at his best with the ball in his hands. He may not be explosive as he was in his prime but he's proven numerous times this year he's still a tough player to bring down.
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I agree, they need to use him to his strength, make your system fit the players instead of trying to make the players fit to the system.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293812973' post='588852']
Agreed. He still a number two and you just gave the reason why. Ones have speed and strength. Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Randy moss, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, possibly; Jacoby Ford,to name a few. Speed hands and size. I told yall that he was a two when we got him.
[/quote]

Label him what you want(you're entitled to your opinion) but that you think Randy Moss and Jacoby Ford are "ones" and Q is a "two" is absolutely laughable. Also, when did Jackson, Moss and Ford become known for their [i]strength[/i]? Great argument dude.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293815651' post='588886']
Label him what you want(you're entitled to your opinion) but that you think Randy Moss and Jacoby Ford are "ones" and Q is a "two" is absolutely laughable. Also, when did Jackson, Moss and Ford become known for their [i]strength[/i]? Great argument dude.
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Some don't need strength if you have that much speed. Did you play football on any level? Speed is the one thing that you cannot account for on a football field. It can't be coached. Jacoby ford has potential to be a one. Jackson is clearly a one. Moss would have been the best receiver to play the game if not for his stint in Oakland and a few bad choices. Q is a possession receiver not a one, more on the lines of a Keyshawn Johnson. Do you get it now?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293813355' post='588856']
So Ford is a #1, but Boldin isn't?
[/quote]Possibly he is a rookie. But he has the jets, good hands, and the ability to stretch the feild. A little more weight room and he could def be a one.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293910550' post='589414']
Some don't need strength if you have that much speed. Did you play football on any level? Speed is the one thing that you cannot account for on a football field. It can't be coached. Jacoby ford has potential to be a one. Jackson is clearly a one. Moss would have been the best receiver to play the game if not for his stint in Oakland and a few bad choices. Q is a possession receiver not a one, more on the lines of a Keyshawn Johnson. Do you get it now?
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There's nothing to "get" because your argument makes no sense. By your definition, a possession receiver can't be a #1 WR. Really?

Blazing speed isn't necessary to be primary target. Cris Carter, Sterling Sharpe, Reggie Wayne and Larry Fitzgerald to name a few have all had very successful careers despite lacking big-time speed.

Boldin frequently flirted 100 catches as a Cardinal because the coaching staff knew he was at his best catching short to intermediate passes and getting yards after the catch. Cam obviously doesn't get that and we've seen the sharp dip in Q's production.

[Thepurplehaze]

Simply put, we haven't really needed him the past few games.. We've had success running the ball and throwing to multiple receivers (mostly Mase). I know people want to see more production out of him, but like any good receiver, just having him out on the field is important in drawing extra attention from DB's so we can launch to any one of our other excellent WR's. Trust me, we'll use him when we need him. I'd love to see teams start to back off him so he can have another monster game for us.

[Jamal]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293910996' post='589419']
Possibly he is a rookie. But he has the jets, good hands, and the ability to stretch the feild. A little more weight room and he could def be a one.
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Its not that easy. No guarantee he keeps his speed with bulk.

Q is easily a #1. Your being blinded by the awful playcalling of yours truly.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293910996' post='589419']
Possibly he is a rookie. But he has the jets, good hands, and the ability to stretch the feild. A little more weight room and he could def be a one.
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He's also 5'9" (not saying height is everything, but c'mon) and has maxed out his frame at 185 - if he adds any more bulk he'll lose a step.

He's a good deep threat and return man. He's a playmaker but not a legit #1 receiver and I doubt he ever will be.

If you wanted to use an example from this year's class you could've gone for Dez Bryant or Mike Williams. They both look like legit #1s, but I guess Mike doesn't have the 4.2 speed you need to be a number 1...

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293763502' post='588672']
Q is not a true one i said it when we signed him. Is he good? yes! does he do the dirty work? yes! True one? No. If you think he is a true one then why can't he get open. That's right because they roll coverage to him. All ones get coverage rolled to their side of the field it doesn't stop them from getting their fair share. No excuses we have a lot of two's and three's on this team.
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This is what Cam does to people.

[reediddy]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293763502' post='588672']
Q is not a true one i said it when we signed him. Is he good? yes! does he do the dirty work? yes! True one? No. If you think he is a true one then why can't he get open. That's right because they roll coverage to him. All ones get coverage rolled to their side of the field it doesn't stop them from getting their fair share. No excuses we have a lot of two's and three's on this team.
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All our receivers are ones. Any given Sunday, the defensive coordinators we play against will make adjustments to take a certain player out of the game. Obviously, most of the time it's Boldin. So what happens? Mason becomes our 1. If Mason starts getting locked up, Housh will be our one. Any given game, any one of these three great receivers we have will produce. After the first game against the Browns, where Boldin had 3 TDs, would you have said he wasn't a 1? No! Absolutely not.

[Yurtle]

The situation with Cam is a catch 22.

If we win the SB, like we are all hoping, Cam will definitely stay on as OC even though he's struggled to make this offense produce consistently or to its full potential. No team will fire the OC after it wins a SB. If we win (positive), he stays (negative). I don't want to upset any Cameron fans, but he's not bright enough to even realize what player his team traded for. Q should be getting 10 yd passes on every drive; he's a possession receiver.

If we don't win or make it to the SB (negative), I think there is a real possibility Cam will be fired (positive). I want to win this year, but I also want a dynasty like Harbaugh keeps talking about. Cam does not have the ability to make this offense a dynasty. Sorry, but it's true. If we win this year, I think it will only be because our players are so good. We have the most career pro-bowlers of any team in the NFL, perfect mix of vets and young players, and a D that (thankfully) Cam has no control over. I don't see the Ravens repeating with Cam as OC, though. Sad truth.

I hope we win the SB and Cam is fired. Won't happen though. Probably have to chose one or the other. :/

[Yurtle]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1293812973' post='588852']
Agreed. He still a number two and you just gave the reason why. Ones have speed and strength. Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Randy moss, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, possibly; Jacoby Ford,to name a few. Speed hands and size. I told yall that he was a two when we got him.
[/quote]

Okay, you shouldn't comment on this stuff, you might hurt yourself.

You said #1 receivers have size, speed, and strength. I think you meant size, speed, OR strength, because your examples do not justify your criteria at all.

[b]Jacoby Ford[/b] is 5'9. There goes the size.

[b]DeSean Jackson[/b] is listed at 5'10 and he weighs 175. There goes the size and strength. In fact, Jackson has one of the weakest upper bodies of any pro receiver.

I agree that Jackson is a #1, but your criteria illustrates your ignorance on the subject. Boldin has great hands and strength. That combined with his two 100-catch years and his ability to get 1000-yd seasons without playing 16 games in the past should demonstrate his ability as an outstanding receiver. [b]Before Cam got his hands on him, Boldin averaged the most yards/game of any WR in NFL history. If that's not a #1, I don't know what is. He's currently #4 all-time, above Fitzgerald, Calvin Jonson, and DeSean Jackson to name a few. He's below only Andre Johnson, Torry Holt, and Marvin Harrison.[/b] He would still be #1 if Cam knew how to use him. You're telling me a guy who gets more yds/game than Jerry Rice and Randy Moss for his career is a #2? Don't hurt yourself.

And don't tell me he's lost so many steps because of his age. He's only 30. That's not that old for a WR, and players don't really magically lose speed when they turn 30, as most fans think they do. Q is one of the most skilled receivers in the league, and you don't really know what you're talking about. Cam is the problem here, not Q. Ozzie would slap you in the face if you were in his draft room.

Oh yeah -- forgot to mention that he's above Jacoby Ford, too...

See for yourself. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_g_career.htm