Steelers Vs Browns

[SteelerEmpire]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1294092117' post='592279']
I know it's not expected to watch all the Steeler games. But if you watched towards the end of the year, the Steelers were using Wallace on 7 yards slant patterns and he was creating activity with his speed in the middle of traffic. Yes he was one dimensional at season start and last year. But towards the end of this year things have changed.
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Yea. He's a LOT better now than just earlier this season in the run after the catch. If he can get 5-10 yds to pick up speed after the ball is in his hands, he'll take it to the house most of the time as was proven several times in the latter part of this season. Its like the defense is standing still next to him once he's up to speed.. in the very least it will be a very big play... and I mean after catching a 10 yd pass. Santonio Holmes... eat your heart out.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294095978' post='592371']

I never said Wallace couldn't do the same but he hasn't yet so I won't assume he can.
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thats fair

[JohnJohnson]

We all know Wallace is good, we just haven't elevated him to the very top yet. I think he will continue to improve though. To be honest he hasn't given the Ravens nearly as much trouble as Holmes did, but that could change in the future as he becomes a better route runner. I like his speed and his attitude.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1294102287' post='592525']
We all know Wallace is good, we just haven't elevated him to the very top yet. I think he will continue to improve though. To be honest he hasn't given the Ravens nearly as much trouble as Holmes did, but that could change in the future as he becomes a better route runner. I like his speed and his attitude.
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Agreed. He's one a few Steelers players I wish was a Raven. He's going to be quality player for a long time.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1294102287' post='592525']
We all know Wallace is good, we just haven't elevated him to the very top yet. I think he will continue to improve though. To be honest he hasn't given the Ravens nearly as much trouble as Holmes did, but that could change in the future as he becomes a better route runner. I like his speed and his attitude.
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He hasn't done anything to the Ravens, there are [b]few[/b] complete WR's in this league. Calvin, Andre, Wayne, White and Jennings are the 5 most complete receivers IMO and to say he is better than any of them is a joke.

Top 15 than most likely, top 10 hell no.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294102701' post='592546']
He hasn't done anything to the Ravens, there are [b]few[/b] complete WR's in this league. Calvin, Andre, Wayne, White and Jennings are the 5 most complete receivers IMO and to say he is better than any of them is a joke.

Top 15 than most likely, top 10 hell no.
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Id have to agree hes not a top 10. You have to do it for more than 1 year to be considered a top WR in the entire league.

[PuRock]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294094122' post='592330']
ward has the same amount of catches as wallace despite missing two games .

and who's to say wallace couldnt do the same, its not like wallace drops a huge amount of balls....

you cant catch passes that arent thrown to you
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I have to come back to your #2 theory and how other guys get all the balls thrown their ways. Doesn't that say more for guys on teams with no weapons. That they are able to produce big numbers while demanding all the attention.

Meanwhile what has made Wallace so successful is the fact that teams have to cover so many weapons. If Wallace was on a team where he was getting all the looks, could he be as successful?

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294102701' post='592546']
He hasn't done anything to the Ravens, there are [b]few[/b] complete WR's in this league. Calvin, Andre, Wayne, White and Jennings are the 5 most complete receivers IMO and to say he is better than any of them is a joke.

Top 15 than most likely, top 10 hell no.
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you would put 14 receivers ahead of him.....thats a joke

only randy moss in nfl history has more 40+ yard TD receptions in his first two years

he has over 2000 yards in his first two years, with less than 100 receptions. thats unheard of

if he was anything but a steeler you would rank him in the top ten

his stats tell the story....yet his uniform blinds you from it

hes at least top ten....

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294108573' post='592658']
you would put 14 receivers ahead of him.....thats a joke

only randy moss in nfl history has more 40+ yard TD receptions in his first two years

he has over 2000 yards in his first two years, with less than 100 receptions. thats unheard of

if he was anything but a steeler you would rank him in the top ten

his stats tell the story....yet his uniform blinds you from it

hes at least top ten....
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Mike Wallace is definitely top ten, possibly top five or just outside of it, but the argument for top three depends on the body of work and Wallace has too short of a career to be put into that class just yet. He probably will within the next couple of years, but this year is too soon.

[PuRock]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294108573' post='592658']
you would put 14 receivers ahead of him.....thats a joke

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I had to take the test myself. If I were taking a guy for my team today (for next season) I'd go with A Johnson, White, Wayne, Jennings, Fitzgerald, C Johnson, H Nicks, Austin, Colston (iffy), Marshall...then probably Wallace.

That would put him at 11 for me.

[theFRANCHISE]

If I had to list guys based on who I'd take right now, without questions or doubts about their ability:

Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Calvin Johnson, Mike Wallce, Marques Colston, Roddy White, Wes Welker, Hakeem Nicks.

That at least puts Wallace in my top 10. Nicks and Wallace are probably automatically excluded from my top 5, however, because they haven't been in the league long enough to demonstrate the consistency of a top-5 receiver despite their production.

Though there are guys I excluded that others have named, I had at least one reservation about them, which automatically disqualifies them from the definition of a surefire talent. Brandon Marshall has had issues with consistency and effort (which has affected his production), DeSean Jackson has been more of a pure burner than a complete receiver, etc.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294108824' post='592669']
I had to take the test myself. If I were taking a guy for my team today (for next season) I'd go with A Johnson, White, Wayne, Jennings, Fitzgerald, C Johnson, H Nicks, Austin, Colston (iffy), Marshall...then probably Wallace.

That would put him at 11 for me.
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im fine with the johnsons,jennings and white. fitz is possible

but then i take wallace

wayne is old, austin isnt consistent, marshall has an attitude problem

nicks is good but not as good, and colston is alright(not impressed)

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294109787' post='592697']
im fine with the johnsons,jennings and white. fitz is possible

but then i take wallace

wayne is old, austin isnt consistent, marshall has an attitude problem

nicks is good but not as good, and colston is alright(not impressed)
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Fitzgerald is "possible"? Speed aside, he is better than Wallace in every facet of the game. Even with his down year, some still consider him the best WR in the game.

As for Nicks, speed is the only thing he concedes to Wallace. He runs more routes, has better hands and is better in terms of picking up yard after the catch.

A guy I forgot to include among young talent is Kenny Britt. He didn't have the year Wallace did, partly due to injury, but has just as high a ceiling.

Vincent Jackson is another player whose name hasn't been brought up.

[thewarden86]

Don't forget, you'd have Wallace for much longer as he is only in his second year. Some of the others mentioned have some mileage on them. I've always heard how tough it is to make an impact at WR when coming into the league. Wallace has made a big impact in two years and he was the #3 guy last year. Ben recently said that Mike is now learning how to come back to Ben or go deep on broken plays thus developing the chemistry Ben had with Santonio Holmes. And don't tell me THAT doesn't concern you a bit. lol

[SteelerEmpire]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294102701' post='592546']
[b]He hasn't done anything to the Ravens[/b], there are [b]few[/b] complete WR's in this league. Calvin, Andre, Wayne, White and Jennings are the 5 most complete receivers IMO and to say he is better than any of them is a joke.

Top 15 than most likely, top 10 hell no.
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Man. He had your guy beat a good 5 yds in a TD pass that Ben over-threw in that last game in December... Ben's accuracy has been off all year ... except for last game vs. the Browns...

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294110320' post='592710']
Fitzgerald is "possible"? Speed aside, he is better than Wallace in every facet of the game. Even with his down year, some still consider him the best WR in the game.

As for Nicks, speed is the only thing he concedes to Wallace. He runs more routes, has better hands and is better in terms of picking up yard after the catch.

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i dont know if i would pick fitz over wallace(im on the fence), but i understand why alot would

and i understand the arguement for nicks.....but i just dont think hes as good

[KyKobra]

Wallace over Welker?

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='KyKobra' timestamp='1294111126' post='592733']
Wallace over Welker?
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personally yes......wallace has more potential IMO

[thewarden86]

[quote name='KyKobra' timestamp='1294111126' post='592733']
Wallace over Welker?
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Today, probably yes. Out of college.....dunno. Wes Welker is a weapon who'd probably be wasting down in Miami if not for Belichick. That dude is special, no question. Same with Fitz.

[SteelerEmpire]

Well. Hopefully Wallace is a "Big Game" receiver like Lynn Swann was. He didn't have the stats, but I [i]"sure"[/i] would want him come playoff time. I'll take a big game receiver over a "stat man" first. We're about to find out...

[SteelerEmpire]

[quote name='KyKobra' timestamp='1294111126' post='592733']
Wallace over Welker?
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Welker's "still" apprehensive about catching a pass over the middle when playing the Steelers... did you see him look for Clark first before he looked for the ball... lol...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1294110557' post='592713']
Don't forget, you'd have Wallace for much longer as he is only in his second year. Some of the others mentioned have some mileage on them. I've always heard how tough it is to make an impact at WR when coming into the league. Wallace has made a big impact in two years and he was the #3 guy last year. Ben recently said that Mike is now learning how to come back to Ben or go deep on broken plays thus developing the chemistry Ben had with Santonio Holmes. And don't tell me THAT doesn't concern you a bit. lol
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Some of them are do but guys like Nicks, Bowe and Britt are around the same age as Wallace and I'd take them over him.

His development doesn't really worry me. It's just something the Ravens will have to deal with for probably the next 7-8 seasons. He'll likely make some big plays but I'm hoping the Ravens can finally develop their own young playmaker at wR.

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294110659' post='592717']
i dont know if i would pick fitz over wallace(im on the fence), but i understand why alot would

and i understand the arguement for nicks.....but i just dont think hes as good
[/quote]

I can understand if you were starting a team but if you had to win one game, you'd take Wallace over Fitzgerald?

Fair enough.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294111504' post='592746']
Some of them are do but guys like Nicks, Bowe and Britt are around the same age as Wallace and I'd take them over him.

His development doesn't really worry me. It's just something the Ravens will have to deal with for probably the next 7-8 seasons. He'll likely make some big plays but I'm hoping the Ravens can finally develop their own young playmaker at wR.



I can understand if you were starting a team but if you had to win one game, you'd take Wallace over Fitzgerald?

Fair enough.
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I think you're nuts for even considering Britt and Bowe over Wallace. Bowe was a huge disappointment until this year. If anyone needs to prove themselves over time, it's him. And Britt, well....you said it yourself; we all forgot to mention him.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294111504' post='592746']

I can understand if you were starting a team but if you had to win one game, you'd take Wallace over Fitzgerald?

Fair enough.
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remember the steelers vs packers game last year.

last play of the game 0 seconds on the clock, steelers on the 20 down a touchdown.

wallace pulls in that sideline catch to win the game.

a WR who can make those plays with everything on the line, who is one of the fastest of all time.....

its hard not to take him

[thewarden86]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294111966' post='592755']
remember the steelers vs packers game last year.

last play of the game 0 seconds on the clock, steelers on the 20 down a touchdown.

wallace pulls in that sideline catch to win the game.

a WR who can make those plays with everything on the line, who is one of the fastest of all time.....

its hard not to take him
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*sniffle*

That memory of our young Wallace just brought a tear to my eye.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1294112115' post='592760']
*sniffle*

That memory of our young Wallace just brought a tear to my eye.
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yea...that was a great game

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1294111795' post='592751']
I think you're nuts for even considering Britt and Bowe over Wallace. Bowe was a huge disappointment until this year. If anyone needs to prove themselves over time, it's him. And Britt, well....you said it yourself; we all forgot to mention him.
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Not really. Bowe certainly underwhelmed the past two seasons but what he's done this season can't be ignored.

I forgot about Britt mainly due to his long absence. Before his injury and since coming back, the guy has flashed ridiculous ability. He's the complete package.

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294111966' post='592755']
remember the steelers vs packers game last year.

last play of the game 0 seconds on the clock, steelers on the 20 down a touchdown.

wallace pulls in that sideline catch to win the game.

a WR who can make those plays with everything on the line, who is one of the fastest of all time.....

its hard not to take him
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That was a sweet play.

Fitzgerald's Super Bowl performance alone is reason for me to take him but at this point, it's best just to agree to disagree.

[SteelerEmpire]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294111966' post='592755']
remember the steelers vs packers game last year.

last play of the game 0 seconds on the clock, steelers on the 20 down a touchdown.

wallace pulls in that sideline catch to win the game.

a WR who can make those plays with everything on the line, who is one of the fastest of all time.....

its hard not to take him
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Yea. They thought they had us... then BAM !

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294112286' post='592764']


That was a sweet play.

Fitzgerald's Super Bowl performance alone is reason for me to take him but at this point, it's best just to agree to disagree.
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Dude, that second TD was sweet. In fact, I think it speaks volumes for his speed.
HOWEVER, if you go back and look at the first one, he never had possession and the ball hit the ground. Fact.

Plus, he was shut down for much of that game.

I still disagree about Bowe and Britt.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294112286' post='592764']
Not really. Bowe certainly underwhelmed the past two seasons but what he's done this season can't be ignored.

I forgot about Britt mainly due to his long absence. Before his injury and since coming back, the guy has flashed ridiculous ability. He's the complete package.



That was a sweet play.

Fitzgerald's Super Bowl performance alone is reason for me to take him but at this point, it's best just to agree to disagree.
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in a way theres almost no wrong answer.....all these guys are amazing

if i was starting a team i would be thrilled to get any of these guys