Steelers Vs Browns

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1294013953' post='591257']
We can only play who's on our schedule. Even back in 2008 when EVERYONE IN THE NFL agreed we had the toughest schedule in memory, Ravens fans were there to say, "no, our schedule is tougher." It's always something. You can take who you want, but none of those wr's you'd take have started their careers the way Wallace has.
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I know you can only play whose on your schedule. I wasn't the one who brought up the schedule in thr first place.

In terms of big plays, no, I don't think many WRs in league history have done what Wallace has but a number of them were just as and even more producitive than Wallace.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='KyKobra' timestamp='1294012497' post='591208']
Do Steelers fans have like..five excuses they rely on all season?
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What do you mean? I don't agree that Wallace is a top 3 WR (although he could definitely become one), but it's not really an excuse.

IMO, Holmes gave us more trouble than Wallace has so far. But he's definitely a nice piece to the Steelers' offense.

[Militant X 1]

Steelers took care of their business by crushing the Browns today!

[XxSizzleXx]

I`d take Calvin, Andre, Reggie, Bowe, Jennings, Boldin, Nicks, Jackson, Colston, Marshall, Fitz, Rice, Austin all before Wallace. Saying he is a top 3 wideout is just a little bit of a stretch...

[BrownsFan]

Man what an ugly game to watch.. Browns just didn't even show up. It sucks when at least all season they played their hearts out and tried but yesterday.. not even an ounce of effort really from just about everyone.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294020429' post='591459']
I`d take Calvin, Andre, Reggie, Bowe, Jennings, Boldin, Nicks, Jackson, Colston, Marshall, Fitz, Rice, Austin all before Wallace. Saying he is a top 3 wideout is just a little bit of a stretch...
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Funny, those guys are all #1's. Wallace is our #2.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1294084781' post='592094']
Funny, those guys are all #1's. Wallace is our #2.
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More like 1a and 1b, like Geno and Crosby, Boldin and Mason.

I was just laughing at the top 3 WR comment, you think he is better than the ones I listed?

[bpytnjr58]

I thought the Browns pretty much laid down yesterday with nothing to play for and their coach looking to be fired so it was probably a gift for the Steelers but they did what they had to do to win the division.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294085931' post='592132']
More like 1a and 1b, like Geno and Crosby, Boldin and Mason.

I was just laughing at the top 3 WR comment, you think he is better than the ones I listed?
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well if you go by yards he is number 5 this year and he leads the league in yards per catch and has 10 td's

so just that is better than most of those people on your list, but if i must...

here are some great wr's in there first two years

TERRELL OWENS-YARDS(1446) TD'S(12) YARDS PER CATCH(15.25)
ANQUAN BOLDIN-YARDS(2000) TD'S(9) YARDS PER CATCH(12.35)
REGGIE WAYNE-YARDS(1061) TD'S(4) YARDS PER CATCH(13.7)
RODDY WHITE-YARDS(952) TD'S(3) YARDS PER CATCH(16.15)
CALVIN JOHNSON-YARDS(2087) TD'S(16) YARDS PER CATCH(16.45)

and heres wallace

MIKE WALLACE-YARDS(2013) TD'S(16) YARDS PER CATCH(20.3)

and as stated hes our number 2

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294008663' post='591109']
Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Reggie Wayne Dwayne Bowe and others says "hi". I know you love Wallace and he's certainly very talented but he's not among "top 3 WRs" in the league.
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I have to disagree. Comparing Wallace's season to those you've listed, he's definitely up there.

Fitzgerald - down year b/c of QB play
Nicks - missed end of season b/c of injury

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294020429' post='591459']
I`d take Calvin, Andre, Reggie, Bowe, Jennings, Boldin, Nicks, Jackson, Colston, Marshall, Fitz, Rice, Austin all before Wallace. Saying he is a top 3 wideout is just a little bit of a stretch...
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wallace had a better year then all those WR'S except Jennings

so unless you just like them better than wallace for un-football related reasons then i would have to say your list is flawed

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1294088141' post='592179']
I have to disagree. Comparing Wallace's season to those you've listed, he's definitely up there.

Fitzgerald - down year b/c of QB play
Nicks - missed end of season b/c of injury
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What do you disagree with? And who exactly is Wallace "up there" with?

Fitzgerald had a down year by his standards but that doesn't mean he still isn't one of the best WRs in the game and better than Wallace.

And Nicks, despite missing 3 games, caught 19 more balls than Wallace, had more yards per game and one more touchdown.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294088719' post='592189']
wallace had a better year then all those WR'S except Jennings

so unless you just like them better than wallace for un-football related reasons then i would have to say your list is flawed
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Wallace did not have a better year than Megatron, Bowe and Nicks.

And how is his list flawed? Because he'd take those players over Wallace? Not really.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1294085931' post='592132']
More like 1a and 1b, like Geno and Crosby, Boldin and Mason.

I was just laughing at the top 3 WR comment, you think he is better than the ones I listed?
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Better? I don't know. Comparable? Absolutely.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294088793' post='592193']
What do you disagree with? And who exactly is Wallace "up there" with?

Fitzgerald had a down year by his standards but that doesn't mean he still isn't one of the best WRs in the game and better than Wallace.

And Nicks, despite missing 3 games, caught 19 more balls than Wallace, had more yards per game and one more touchdown.
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so nicks was targeted more and still had 200 fewer yards than wallace and only one more TD

i would say wallace was more effective

[thewarden86]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1294086646' post='592145']
I thought the Browns pretty much laid down yesterday with nothing to play for and their coach looking to be fired so it was probably a gift for the Steelers but they did what they had to do to win the division.
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Gift? No, Browns got whooped solidly. Don't think for a second they wouldn't have loved to hurt our playoff position and go out themselves on a winning note.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294088987' post='592196']
Wallace did not have a better year than Megatron, Bowe and Nicks.

And how is his list flawed? Because he'd take those players over Wallace? Not really.
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wallace had more yards than all of those guys with much fewer receptions.....because hes our number 2

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294089173' post='592198']
so nicks was targeted more and still had 200 fewer yards than wallace and only one more TD

i would say wallace was more effective
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Nicks isn't the deep threat Wallace is; no one in the NFL is but moving the chains more and having one more TD still constitutes an equally good, if not better season.

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294089327' post='592205']
wallace had more yards than all of those guys with much fewer receptions.....because hes our number 2
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But all of them caught more balls, first downs and more touchdowns.

If Wallace is your number two, whose your number one?

[PuRock]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1294089215' post='592202']
Gift? No, Browns got whooped solidly. Don't think for a second they wouldn't have loved to hurt our playoff position and go out themselves on a winning note.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294090693' post='592233']
Nicks isn't the deep threat Wallace is; no one in the NFL is but moving the chains more and having one more TD still constitutes an equally good, if not better season.



But all of them caught more balls, first downs and more touchdowns.

If Wallace is your number two, whose your number one?
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I agree with ER20. You are using stats to prove a point. But Wallace is pretty one-dimensional. I'd take Nicks over Wallace in a heartbeat.

[PuRock]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294089327' post='592205']
wallace had more yards than all of those guys with much fewer receptions.....because hes our number 2
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What's this #2 business? Last time I checked you had two starting wide outs. 1 was a deep threat the other a poseesion guy.

Ohhhh. Number 2 like the potty business. Yeah. I agree. And Heinz Ward is asparagus #1.

[Pitts200]

It's the old adage of what you put stock in. Are higher number of receptions better with a weak ypc and you put more clout in a possession receiver like Wayne or Welker? Or do you lean towards receivers with a lower number of receptions but a great ypc like Wallace.

Both kinds of players have a roll in an offense. Just because Wallace doesn't have a ton of receptions he makes the safety stay conservative. Do you think it was a coincidence that Wallace didn't have a great game against you guys and why Reed also didn't. Reed was playing safe and giving the corner help.

Wallace had stats equivalent to a top 5 receiver this year. You need to remember that he didn't have Ben throwing to him for the first 4 games of the year when the Steelers had a horrid pass offense.

As for a wr draft tomorrow, there are only 3 receivers I would take before Wallace. Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz & perhaps Bowe. Wayne and those other guys aren't on my list due to age.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294090693' post='592233']
Nicks isn't the deep threat Wallace is; no one in the NFL is but moving the chains more and having one more TD still constitutes an equally good, if not better season.



But all of them caught more balls, first downs and more touchdowns.

If Wallace is your number two, whose your number one?
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Bowe is KC'S only quality target

the same can virtually be said about Johnson too

so they got thrown to much more than wallace, its not his fault we have many targets

and ward is our number one

and for the first four games of the season wallace had our 3rd and 4th string QB's throwing to him


and nicks had a great year im not going to pretend he didnt but he had a few games where manning virtually only threw to him

[PuRock]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294091758' post='592262']

and nicks had a great year im not going to pretend he didnt but he had a few games where manning virtually only threw to him
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Because he's good and could get open more than their other weapons? You make it sound like its a bad thing. Wallace you have to wait until the safeties are biting on a run or play action.

[Pitts200]

Are you going to fault Chris Johnson for being a homerun running back??? I bet if you look at his stats he doesn't have as many first downs as other running backs last year even though he had 2000 yards. He is a game changer because of his speed, you may hold him to 2 and 3 yards then he breaks off 50. Judging a speed player based on the number of first downs they have is not a fair assessment.

Players with speed aren't as consistent but they add a dimension that average speed players don't have.

[Pitts200]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294091975' post='592270']
Because he's good and could get open more than their other weapons? You make it sound like its a bad thing. Wallace you have to wait until the safeties are biting on a run or play action.
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I know it's not expected to watch all the Steeler games. But if you watched towards the end of the year, the Steelers were using Wallace on 7 yards slant patterns and he was creating activity with his speed in the middle of traffic. Yes he was one dimensional at season start and last year. But towards the end of this year things have changed.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294091975' post='592270']
Because he's good and could get open more than their other weapons? You make it sound like its a bad thing. [/quote]

no its not bad but we have many weapons that get open, so if ben sees miller or ward or sanders get open short hes going to hit them.

but if nicks is the only WR getting open mannings just going to stay alive and try to hit nicks everytime

[JO_75]

Wow people are still talking about this game.... than I looked at the thread and realized it has gone completely off topic when I see people are talking about the Giants receivers.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294091758' post='592262']
Bowe is KC'S only quality target

the same can virtually be said about Johnson too

[b]so they got thrown to much more than wallace, its not his fault we have many targets

and ward is our number one[/b]

and for the first four games of the season wallace had our 3rd and 4th string QB's throwing to him


[b]and nicks had a great year im not going to pretend he didnt but he had a few games where manning virtually only threw to him[/b]
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Despite being the only legitimate targets on their teams, few teams stopped them. That says a lot about how good they are.

Ward is your number one but rarely leads the team in targets let alone catches and yards? Okay...

What games were those? And Eli threw to him to a lot because he couldn't be stopped.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1294093272' post='592309']
Despite being the only legitimate targets on their teams, few teams stopped them. That says a lot about how good they are.

Ward is your number one but rarely leads the team in targets let alone catches and yards? Okay...

[/quote]

ward has the same amount of catches as wallace despite missing two games .

and who's to say wallace couldnt do the same, its not like wallace drops a huge amount of balls....

you cant catch passes that arent thrown to you

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1294094122' post='592330']
ward has the same amount of catches as wallace despite missing two games .

and who's to say wallace couldnt do the same, its not like wallace drops a huge amount of balls....

you cant catch passes that arent thrown to you
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Fair enough.

I never said Wallace couldn't do the same but he hasn't yet so I won't assume he can.