Sergio Kindle May Not Get Cleared Next Year

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='CNC' timestamp='1293016989' post='583119']
I know, Fractures dont take that long to heal. I think it has something to do with his reaction time. But something about this screams Jared Gaither to me
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I don't think it's anything like Jared Gaither's situation, especially if you're looking at it from a money standpoint; Kindle has absolutely no leverage against the Ravens, especially since Baltimore is not on the hook for anything more than the sum they threw his way as a concession to help pay his medical bills.

The Ravens still technically hold the rights to his contract and Kindle can't just sign as a free agent elsewhere. Furthermore, it's not in Kindle's best interest to hold out or voluntarily continue to stay off the field if he's been cleared to practice full-speed, as every week he misses is another week he needs to catch up on when/if he eventually returns to the field. It'll take him much, much longer to get acclimated to the speed of the game at the pro level and the mental aspect that goes along with it, with all the time he's missed.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1293029429' post='583175']
I agree J-Man, players need to realize how idiotic they look by butchering the english language in such a way. Most are "college Grads".... LOL
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It's not about butchering the language, it's text lingo. Anyone who has a teenager w/ a cell knows what I'm talking about. Most send twitter updates from their cell phone and the younger crowd usually abbreviate everything (use text lingo). Texting is so common, there's now online dictionaries to define terms that you may not know. Example you just abbreviated Grads, but that's not a reason to say you're butchering the english language.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1293001649' post='583075']
But do we really [i]know[/i] that, though? We're only judging him based off of his college career. Remember, for every success story like Mario Williams, there's a Vernon Gholston in the bunch. While I think that Kindle has the potential and skill set to succeed in the NFL and be a contributor to this Ravens defense, there's nothing to indicate that he would've had a greater impact this season if available, especially if he wasn't up to NFL speed compared to the guys in front of him.

I know it's hard to believe that he wouldn't beat out Paul Kruger or Prescott Burgess, but you can never underestimate the gap between being physically ready vs. mentally ready. Rookies that have early success will usually admit that they got by on their athleticism but struggled with the mental aspect through their first two years.
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Agreed, you can't miss what you never had.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1293030908' post='583191']
Watch this guy become immediately available for Rex Ryan like most players do.....
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Kindle doesnt even know what Rex is like as a coach....

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1293035806' post='583227']
Kindle doesnt even know what Rex is like as a coach....
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Ravenmore is probably worried that Rex is going to come down his chimney on Christmas and steal all of his presents.

[JO_75]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1293032745' post='583205']
This makes the fact that Ozzie missed out on getting Cameron Wake for next to nothing hurt even more.
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You do realize that Cameron Wake went undrafted in 2005, and was a member of the Giants practice squad and was cut and nobody picked him up and he was out of the league in 2006... and he went to the CFL from 2007-2008 and than was picked up by Miami. So not just Ozzie but every team missed out on him.

I don't know about you but I think it's time we forget Kruger as a 3-4 DE and just keep him as a 3-4 OLB.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

actualy I have an idea , why not Draft a MLB take Ellerbe move him outside to be honest gooden has not been good enough we might want to think of releasing him . we need to look in the draft for some one who is leadership caliber to be molded not by Ray I think suggs has that when ray leaves but I am looking at some one when suggs is done . I am sad Kindel won't make it he has had a hard life maybe now he needs to put the ball behind him and find his nitch in society may boldin or rays orginizations could use a manager I am sure the guys will help him out there

[True]

Check his status again around April and what his progress has been. If the future doesn't look clear, then the Ravens should invest in drafting another OLB.

Best of luck Sergio and to a full recovery.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1293026280' post='583159']
Ravens have 3-4 starters over 30 please stop with the Ravens D is old. At least look up the ages of the starters first.
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ESPN, NFL Network and other media outlets love to spread that myth mainly because of Ray and Ed. Lazy reporting.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293043795' post='583322']
ESPN, NFL Network and other media outlets love to spread that myth mainly because of Ray and Ed. Lazy reporting.
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Kelly Gregg, Cory Redding, Jarrett Johnson....yeah its all Ed and Ray lol

I would like us to bring in some personnel for a 4-3 look. I think that would be Mattison's strength.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='littleray27' timestamp='1293014084' post='583109']
Ed, I see where you're are coming from but you say only Ed and Gregg are the only "old" players on our defense? Ray isn't old? Suggs is no spring chicken, Double J is no spring chicken either. I hate to say it but Haloti is getting some miles on him as well, and how bout Redding he is in his 8th season, I mean that might not seem like alot but when it comes down to it, we really have alot of guys that have alot of miles on them. I mean when you look at it our defense isn't a bunch of spring chickens, and as physical as a defense plays now a days or way back when, you have to say we have alot of guys that have age on em, and don't know just how long they will be able to keep a fast physical pace this day and age that the NFL calls for.

My bad I thought you were talking to me when you said "but ray" lol ok you were saying Ray Lewis, so I take the Ray Lewis back in the above. My bad lol.

And believe it or not, but our team is one of the oldest in the NFL on average, and most of that is on defense. Look it up and check it out, I couldn't believe it myself, as it just seemed like last year they were saying we had one of the most youngest teams. I mean something has to be going on, and I really don't buy the "well we just aren't getting pressure on the QB" fall back. We just have to face it, our defense is getting up there in age, to todays NFL standards and yeah it sucks and what really will suck is when Ray retires. Just imagine how that's going to be, he has been here since day one, so reality is coming and it's coming fast. I just hope every one doesn't start going postal when the real reality sets in on our defense. Catch my drift?
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Not really.

Suggs turns 29 next year but he still likely has 3-4 years of quality production left him barring injury. J.J. turns 30 and the team drafted Kindle to take the pressure off him this season but it didn't work out. If Kindle can't return, they'll simply draft someone else. Ngata turns 27 next year and will likely be entering his prime. While Redding is signed through next season, I don't consider him a building block of this team. Ed is certainly old and injuries are affecting him right now. I'm not sure Nakamura can be a starter so someone will need to be drafted.

So again, just because a player has been in the league a number of seasons doesn't mean he still can't it done. Suggs is squarely in his prime and Ngata should be in his next season.

Behind them, you have young guys in Cody, Jones, Kruger, Ellerbe, Webb, Wilson and a number of others who all have obvious room to grow but the skills to be NFL starters. I'm not saying the D can't or won't be addressed in FA and the draft but there are building blocks for the immediate future in place.

Just read this interview with Kinlde on The Sun. [url="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/12/kindle_says_hes_uncertain_about_next_year.html"]Link[/url]

[AlaskanRavensFan]

I'm not too worried about it. Doctors aren't going to give a definite yes or no unless they are very sure that he can return. There is plenty of time until next season and Oz, Eric and Harbs will have a backup plan in case kindle can't play next year. It's possible too, that he may start the year on pup and come in later in 2011 season. In either case I just hope, for his sakes that he can play again.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='AlaskanRavensFan' timestamp='1293045786' post='583353']
[b]I'm not too worried about it. Doctors aren't going to give a definite yes or no unless they are very sure that he can return[/b]. There is plenty of time until next season and Oz, Eric and Harbs will have a backup plan in case kindle can't play next year. It's possible too, that he may start the year on pup and come in later in 2011 season. In either case I just hope, for his sakes that he can play again.
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You may be right. The doctors could just be covering their butts. Kindle said that his injury is unique and the doctors aren't totally sure how to handle it. So I'm sure the doctors are playing it safe. They don't want to say he'll be able to play and it turns out he can't. Serigo could probably sue them then.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1293032745' post='583205']
This makes the fact that Ozzie missed out on getting Cameron Wake for next to nothing hurt even more.
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dam it , i didnt know that.
well he still has over 6 months left so anything can happen

[Alexir]

4-3 Defense.

Suggs-Ngata-Cody-Kruger/Draft/FA
McClain-Lewis-Ellerbe

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1293046870' post='583375']
4-3 Defense.

Suggs-Ngata-Cody-Kruger/Draft/FA
McClain-Lewis-Ellerbe
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I've got no problem with that. I think thats the only way Kruger has a chance of being productive for us. Despite hopes from coaches I don't see him putting on enough weight to be a sold DE in a 3-4. At the same time I don't see him being fast enough to play OLB in a 3-4.

Fact is Kruger is a perfect DE in a 4-3. There's a reason he reminds me so much of Jared Allen.

[MKdave]

I think the most concerning thing about it is that it puts alooooot of pressure on the next draft class. You can't expect to stay competitive if you don't get production out of your 1st and 2nd round two years in a row. That talent gap can be very damaging for a long time. We need Ozzie to really pull one out of the bag, or we need Cody to step up or for Kindle to come back next year ready to go.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1293049513' post='583409']
I think the most concerning thing about it is that it puts alooooot of pressure on the next draft class. You can't expect to stay competitive if you don't get production out of your 1st and 2nd round two years in a row. That talent gap can be very damaging for a long time. We need Ozzie to really pull one out of the bag, or we need Cody to step up or for Kindle to come back next year ready to go.
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Agreed on all counts.

Whatever the FO does in FA or the draft, Cody has to come into camp ready to be the starter next year because I don't see Gregg returning and the other NTs on the roster aren't starting material.

[Twoo]

[b]For all those who want a medical opinion on this matter...[/b]

As [u]I'm finishing medical school with focus in neurosurgery[/u] I can side with the physicians here. Granted, I'm saying this without a lot of knowledge pertaining to the location of the fracture... but 99.99% of times severe head injuries have long lasting side-effects. Heck, the natural improvement of neurological functions can take YEARS to completely recover, if not longer. Taking hits on the football field a year out of tbi (traumatic brain injury) is ludicrous and completely, 100%, without question... not safe. If I was the physician working his case and knowing what we've been told about his injury... I would make him sit out a minimum of 2 years (preferably 3 years) before I ever waived him to touch a football field again. Even working out at the level he's used to could cause significant unneeded stress on his body and slow the healing process.

In my medical opinion I do not see Sergio ever taking the field for the Baltimore Ravens.

[Clutch Ravens]

His doctors wouldn't tell him he's safe to play if they aren't 100% sure. They're liable if they say he can play again and it turns out he can't.

If they think he needs 1 more year I can see Ozzie signing him to a minimalistic contract for another year. He's still been in the gym and team meetings, he just hasn't been able to practice. If it's 2012 before he suits up, so be it.

I just want to see him on the field for his own good - he seems desperate to get back to playing football.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Twoo' timestamp='1293051137' post='583431']In my medical opinion I do not see Sergio ever taking the field for the Baltimore Ravens.
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As long as he's able to lead a healthy life, I'm fine with that reality.

"Waste" of a draft pick, sure. But again, no one could've planned for this, and there's more important things than football.

If you absolutely must look at it from a football standpoint, we don't want to be [i]that team[/i] that ends up with the first player to die on the field during an NFL game if an innocuous tackle does damage to his brain and instantly kills him.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

What info are we not getting? This doesn't sound good.
I wonder if he has brain damage now, or a potential for serious brain damage in the future?

[Alexir]

We can go after guys like Von Miller and Akeem Ayers (if he decides to enter draft).

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1293059457' post='583542']
What info are we not getting? This doesn't sound good.
I wonder if he has brain damage now, or a potential for serious brain damage in the future?
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Almost positive it has something to do with the way his brain swelled. At least that's what I've gathered from the various reports I've read with minimal information. There's no telling how his skull will hold up to contact, so if his brain is swelled and the fracture hasn't healed sufficiently, the risk of brain damage is heightened and could possibly result in death.

[Moderator 3]

This young man REALLY wants to play NFL Football. I hate to think what his mental state will be if it turns out he can't. This is such a damn shame.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1293065663' post='583604']
This young man REALLY wants to play NFL Football. I hate to think what his mental state will be if it turns out he can't. This is such a damn shame.
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I, too, have considered the effect this could have on Kindle's mental state if he can't live his dream after coming so close. I'm hopeful that the Ravens will have counselors and a good support system to help him get through this if it's discovered that he can't ever play.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1293064776' post='583590']
Almost positive it has something to do with the way his brain swelled. At least that's what I've gathered from the various reports I've read with minimal information. There's no telling how his skull will hold up to contact, so if his brain is swelled and the fracture hasn't healed sufficiently, the risk of brain damage is heightened and could possibly result in death.
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thats pretty scary to think about!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1293065918' post='583609']
I, too, have considered the effect this could have on Kindle's mental state if he can't live his dream after coming so close. [b]I'm hopeful that the Ravens will have counselors and a good support system to help him get through this if it's discovered that he can't ever play.[/b]
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They do. O.J. Brigance, the player development director, would be the perfect person for Kindle to talk to if he couldn't live out his dream.

[Runnin Raven]

The whole thing is pretty tragic. Gotta move on like he's not gonna play.

[H8R]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1293034982' post='583219']
It's not about butchering the language, it's text lingo. Anyone who has a teenager w/ a cell knows what I'm talking about. Most send twitter updates from their cell phone and the younger crowd usually abbreviate everything (use text lingo). Texting is so common, there's now online dictionaries to define terms that you may not know. Example you just abbreviated Grads, but that's not a reason to say you're butchering the english language.
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You're a fool if you think it doesn't make him look and sound like an idiot by the way he talks/tweets/etc. "Grad." is a widely used abbreviation, what he speaks is ghetto slang and or rap star language. It's my opinion and I just so happen to think most would agree, he sounds like a clown talking in that way. As for not knowing the "terms" he speaks, you're wrong... I can decipher them BUT I don't feel like it's worth my time. It's not text lingo, it's STUPIDITY.