Tom Brady = Possibly Best NFL QB Ever?

[Alexir]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1293060348' post='583555']
Brady is 15-2 in the regular season against the AFC North.
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And of those 17 games how many was he starting for the Ravens? I mean really, way to jump into the conversation with out understanding the point.....

We were comparing offensive lines....

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1293057163' post='583499']
No doubt Brady routinely throws accurate balls to his targets but as we've seen dozens of times this season, [b]Branch, Woodhead, BGE, Welker and Hernandez are all more than capable with the ball in their hands. [/b]Too often, the media refers to Brady's surrounding cast like they're scrubs. They're not.
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I think that's because Brady and the coaches exploit their ability. It's just like Boldin's number has been depleted due to the misuse of his natural ability: catching the ball in the middle or screen plays.

I think most NFL players will excel if they are used appropriately.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Brady has always had a good line. That is very true but to speak hypothetical saying "if he had the Ravens line" really doesn't support your arguement. To not acknowledge him [b]at least[/b] as a top 10 QB of all time is looking at him very blindly. Whether it's the system, his line, or the cast that surrounded him, there are not many that can amount to his success in NFL history so you have no choice to include him with the greats.

And the Patriots do exploit players strengths better than most teams in the NFL.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1293065334' post='583602']
I think that's because Brady and the coaches exploit their ability. It's just like Boldin's number has been depleted due to the misuse of his natural ability: catching the ball in the middle or screen plays.

I think most NFL players will excel if they are used appropriately.
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Their abilities being "exploited" doesn't make them any less talented.

Take The Law Firm's TD from last week([url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81d0bd84/Green-Ellis-33-yard-TD"]link[/url]) as an example. How did Brady "elevate" anyone on that play? I always see Green-Ellis fighting for extra yardage when he's pounding the rock. That's him making plays, not someone else making him look better.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1293064207' post='583583']<br />And of those 17 games how many was he starting for the Ravens? I mean really, way to jump into the conversation with out understanding the point.....<br /><br />We were comparing offensive lines....<br />[/quote]


No matter how you slice it up, your argument is weak. You have nothing but an unfounded opinion to back it up with.
Light or Mankins don't seemingly always find the open man or make lightning fast reads or throw one of the best mid- and deep- balls in the league -- they protect the guy that does do those things though. How many times has our defense made that OL of NE look like a group of little boys, yet Brady still beat us? Thought so ...

[steelmex]

Brady is for sure one of the best, but as for the greatest? I dont think so. He's always played with a great...or above averagre OL. I mean, even Kordell Stewart looked nice when he had a good OL!! LOL

[flynismo]

Simple question ....Manning has had a great OL AND Harrison and Wayne nearly his entire career. Why are people saying Manning is a product of his system or that he wouldn't be so good without his OL?

[Jamal]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1293216131' post='584540']
Simple question ....Manning has had a great OL AND Harrison and Wayne nearly his entire career. Why are people saying Manning is a product of his system or that he wouldn't be so good without his OL?
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I don't know. Probably because of all the Pats hate.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1293216131' post='584540']
[b]Simple question ....Manning has had a great OL AND Harrison and Wayne nearly his entire career.[/b] Why are people saying Manning is a product of his system or that he wouldn't be so good without his OL?
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Don't forget about Edgerrin James too.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1293216131' post='584540']
Simple question ....Manning has had a great OL AND Harrison and Wayne nearly his entire career. Why are people saying Manning is a product of his system or that he wouldn't be so good without his OL?
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Peyton Manning is the chosen one.

[Jamal]

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[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293243307' post='584713']
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Lol!

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1293221051' post='584591']
I don't know. Probably because of all the Pats hate.
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Ding ding ding! Winner!

[Militant X 1]

another Brady is the "best" QB thread???? c'mon!

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