Who Throws The Best Deep Ball In The League?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1292385724' post='575998']
Same thing when Joe throws the bounce pass too.
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Joe doesn't do it nearly as often as Donovan does though.

[flynismo]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1292382977' post='575959']
No one mentioned Aaron Rogers? He has an amazing deep ball, as does Mike Vick. Its hard to say about Brady, I know he used to sling it way downfield but not so much lately.
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Yes, yes he does. He deserves to be at least considered for the award so ... poll fixed.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1292386808' post='576014']
Yeah, I really want to give my vote to Flacco, but he needs to simply deliver it more consistently. Everyone overthrows/underthrows deep passes, or puts too much or too little velocity into them. But I think once Flacco continues to refine the touch on his passes, he'll run away with this 'award'.
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2010 Percent Completion for attempts 31+ yards (for QBs I bothered to check):

Roethlisberger: 72.7
Rodgers: 66.0
Flacco: 65.3
Brees: 64.0
Manning: 63.4
Brady: 60.7
Vick: 61.5
Rivers: 55.8

Flacco is surprisingly accurate with the deep ball. Ben's stat undoubtedly being helped by having Mike Wallace on the team, but Flacco is solid nonetheless. His overall completion average is 62.6. We should fling the ball more often.

[flynismo]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1292391709' post='576075']
2010 Percent Completion for attempts 31+ yards (for QBs I bothered to check):

Roethlisberger: 72.7
Rodgers: 66.0
Flacco: 65.3
Brees: 64.0
Manning: 63.4
Brady: 60.7
Vick: 61.5
Rivers: 55.8

Flacco is surprisingly accurate with the deep ball. Ben's stat undoubtedly being helped by having Mike Wallace on the team, but Flacco is solid nonetheless. His overall completion average is 62.6. We should fling the ball more often.
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Good work on thinking to look that up.
Yeah, having Wallace helps Ben, but we can say the same about Rodgers having Jennings and Driver, Flacco having Boldin, Brees having Colston, Manning having Wayne, and Vick having Jackson and Maclin. Ben seems to have the biggest 'disadvantage' in that aspect -- aside from Brady and Rivers.

I think that Vick's numbers are probably inflated by having the most dangerous crew of deep threats in the league, while Rivers' and Brady's are hurt a little by not having an elite WR. I also think that Flacco having Boldin is neutralized by the drops by TJ and Mason.


Regardless, it is GREAT to see Flacco ranked ahead of future HOF like Manning, Brady and Brees!

[berad]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1292393642' post='576091']
Good work on thinking to look that up.
Yeah, having Wallace helps Ben, but we can say the same about Rodgers having Jennings and Driver, Flacco having Boldin, Brees having Colston, Manning having Wayne, and Vick having Jackson and Maclin. Ben seems to have the biggest 'disadvantage' in that aspect -- aside from Brady and Rivers.

I think that Vick's numbers are probably inflated by having the most dangerous crew of deep threats in the league, while Rivers' and Brady's are hurt a little by not having an elite WR. I also think that Flacco having Boldin is neutralized by the drops by TJ and Mason.


Regardless, it is GREAT to see Flacco ranked ahead of future HOF like Manning, Brady and Brees!
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Wallace is one of the best deep-ball receivers in the league. Jennings and Jackson also come to mind along with a handful of others.

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1292385666' post='575996']
Brett favre
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1998 called. They want their post back.

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[HaX]

vick

flacco is just about ALWAYS on target w/ his deep throws but the receivers mess it up, yeah I'm looking at you from last night mason!

[codizzle]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1292394071' post='576097']
1998 called. They want their post back.

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well u said best deep ball period..
His throw last year to Greg Lewis... Prolly the greatest in my lifetime...

[Radinho84]

this season: mike vick!!!

[The King]

Flacco has progressed a lot this year on his deep ball. The throw to Anquan Boldin that went for 61 yards when we were backed up against the Steelers was beautiful. Those numbers indicate that, at least amongst some of the league's top QBs, he's one of the best. I'd be interested in seeing the numbers for Matt Schaub, who of course has probably the league's best receivers in Andre Johnson.

Peyton Manning is one I always thought of as a top-notch deep passer, though that might just be that I see a lot of his games out here in Indy. Very accurate passer, and I would like to see how his career numbers are as far as accuracy downfield.

How about all time guys? I'd be willing to bet that John Elway would be one of the best all-time with the deep throws. Kurt Warner had an impressive yards per attempt average, and I would guess he's one of the best at challenging deep, and a gunslinger like Brett Favre would probably have good numbers. Maybe Terry Bradsahw, too.

[H8R]

I wish I could find Flacco to Figurs, that was about as pretty as it gets.

I like how Brees basically attacks when throwing the football ( if that makes sense) he throws it VIOLENTLY and his mechanics are very sound.

[tweety]

Philip Rivers, after the way they played us last year I'm a believer.

[Alexir]

Well ive rarely seen Flacco be on with his deep ball. I usually see the receiver have to stop, wait for it, then catch and run. That or wayyyyyyy over his head.

He needs more practice with those clay pigeons.

[berad]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292433405' post='576345']
Well ive rarely seen Flacco be on with his deep ball. I usually see the receiver have to stop, wait for it, then catch and run. That or wayyyyyyy over his head.

He needs more practice with those clay pigeons.
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Yeah the one that dropped right into Mason's hands, in full stride, was awful. In addition, his 65.3% completion rate of throws 21+ yards down-field is no good.

[Alexir]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292434058' post='576367']
Yeah the one that dropped right into Mason's hands, in full stride, was awful. In addition, his 65.3% completion rate of throws 21+ yards down-field is no good.
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Oh wow! Derrick Mason dropped a ball! [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

As well as that ball was thrown, Mason is allowed to drop a ball for this team especially since 2 years ago he was playing with one arm against the Texans.


And your statistics doesn't prove anything. Like I said, His receivers usually have to wait for the ball to come to them.....that would go into his completion percentage. Unless you have a stat on completion rate on catches in stride

[berad]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292434413' post='576373']
Oh wow! Derrick Mason dropped a ball! [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

As well as that ball was thrown, Mason is allowed to drop a ball for this team especially since 2 years ago he was playing with one arm against the Texans.

And your statistics doesn't prove anything. Like I said, His receivers usually have to wait for the ball to come to them.....that would go into his completion percentage. Unless you have a stat on completion rate on catches in stride
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I'm just saying, that ball was perfect and would've been a touchdown had Mason held on. I'm well aware of what Mase did in the past, you won't find a bigger fan of his.

I don't have that stat but since you have nothing but your opinion and what you've "seen" to back-up your argument, it suggests that neither do you.

I'm not even making the argument that Flacco is the best deep-ball thrower, he's not. But he's better than you think.

[1/28/01]

Flacco throws a pretty good deep ball, due to his arm strength. I will say, however, that I have seen plenty of underthrown and overthrown deep tosses in the last few years. 65% is great, but it could be better. Wow, am I really complaining about 65% completion percentage?

[PuRock]

The mere fact that Flacco attempts deep balls on a regular basis and they are rarely picked off says a lot about his deep ball.

There are other QB's out there that rarely attempt it, and when they do its a crapshoot. The guy has to be very wide open or the ball has a high probability of getting picked off.

[bornnraisedwhodat]

I'd have to say Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Mike Vick.

[MKdave]

I'd say Flacco. The best arm is probably a tie between Vick and Joe (at this stage in Manning's career), but Vick has the advantage of throwing to guy that can just turn on the burners and he's open deep. We have good receivers but no one like that. The most productive deep attack is San Diego, but Rivers has had it easy because that receiving core has had so much height. You have 6'5 Gates, 6'5 Jackson and 6'5 Floyd, that rookie that blew up a few games ago was 6'3 (forget his name), Naane at 6'2 and all the way down the depth chart you've got Kelley Washington, who was our biggest reciever at 6'3 aswell.

[SaVaGe]

Mike Vick is making it look effortless out there. I'd like to see this sort of production continue on to next season though before he has the best deep ball.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1292438379' post='576433']
I'd say Flacco. The best arm is probably a tie between Vick and Joe (at this stage in Manning's career), but Vick has the advantage of throwing to guy that can just turn on the burners and he's open deep. We have good receivers but no one like that. The most productive deep attack is San Diego, but Rivers has had it easy because that receiving core has had so much height. You have 6'5 Gates, 6'5 Jackson and 6'5 Floyd, [b]that rookie that blew up a few games ago was 6'3 (forget his name)[/b], Naane at 6'2 and all the way down the depth chart you've got Kelley Washington, who was our biggest reciever at 6'3 aswell.
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His name is Seyi Ajirotutu. I agree that Rivers has somewhat of an advantage with tall WRs but I've seen so many of his deep balls fall drop right into his WRs hands.

Regardless, as the stats prove, Joe has been great throwing the deep ball this season.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292438956' post='576439']
His name is Seyi Ajirotutu. I agree that Rivers has somewhat of an advantage with tall WRs but I've seen so many of his deep balls fall drop right into his WRs hands.

Regardless, as the stats prove, Joe has been great throwing the deep ball this season.
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Some of his throws have been incredibly precise, no question, but I think he is allowed to be so precise because he's got a bigger window and he can afford to take a little bit off on deeper routes because of his receivers' height. That said I think Joe could benefit from not trying to force the ball into a window where there is no wall, where he can just float it over the top and have our guy go and get it.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1292442156' post='576464']
Some of his throws have been incredibly precise, no question, but I think he is allowed to be so precise because he's got a bigger window and he can afford to take a little bit off on deeper routes because of his receivers' height. That said I think Joe could benefit from not trying to force the ball into a window where there is no wall, where he can just float it over the top and have our guy go and get it.
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You're right.

On another note, as great as Joe's deep ball is, I'm hoping he gets better at the back-shoulder throw. It doesn't appear to be a staple in Cam's playbook but in time, it would be nice if we saw more of those completions from Flacco.

[XxSizzleXx]

About the Rivers against bad defenses how about the fact that Gates has been missing games and the fact that Jackson missed most of the season and he is still absolutely tearing it up.

I became a lot bigger Rivers fan after he almost threw for 500 yards on us last year, he's amazing.

[flynismo]

Flacco is running away with it?? Pleasantly surprised, after reading the game thread every week ("Flacco's 56 yard TD to TJ could have been thrown better") haha

[-Truth-]

Philip Rivers.

[steeler hater]

Joe often throws a great deep ball but when he misses it's usually underthrown. I think it's because he's concerned with overthrowing his receiver and is aiming rather than lettin' her fly.

[saved72907]

Flacco has a strong arm, but always seems to underthrow on the fly patterns. The Stallworth reception vs the Steelers is a good example, probably a TD if he hit him in stride. If he could just perfect those throws......
(For the record, I'm not complaining.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmsg5cjoT2g

[Ed_Reed20]

Growing up, I think Joe's arm strength allowed him to get away with not stepping up into his throws. He's doing it more as he gains more experience(the throw to Mason Monday night being an example) but considering he's capable of dropping passes right into the breadbasket of WR's on arm strength alone([url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fSKVfZNdo&feature=related"]proof[/url]), it may not be a habit he breaks for a while.