Stallworth To Be More Involved?

[Ed_Reed20]

Before I get to my main point, last night's second half debacle was a complete team effort, save for Koch and Reed.

However, I just have to nitpick about a point discussed yesterday(can't remember in which topic).

Cam said that the team would look to expand Stallworth's role. Direct quotes can be found in [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=1043&line=194991&spln=1"]this link[/url]. Considering the speed Stallworth has shown on reverses and that he's caught the longest pass of the season, you'd think Cam would actually try to make good on his comments. Despite the talk though, all I remember from last night was a deep ball to him.

Stallworth not catching a pass doesn't fall squarely on Cam's shoulders but for the zillionth time, does he not know how to utilize players with speed other than reverses and deep balls?

I read his comments yesterday and felt I was reading too much into them when he talked about getting Stallworth balls "down the field" but it seems that truly is the [i]only way[/i] he knows how to get speedy players the ball. I have problems with the way Q is used too but is it so hard to get a guy like Donte'the ball in space?

[Ngata92NT]

Wait, are you implying we could have Stallworth run routes OTHER than a straight streak down the field?

(gasp)

... my god.

[Jamal]

Well when you have all these WR's, the best way to use them is to spread em out and go shotgun. Especially with how easily the Texans were getting pressure.

But Cam rarely uses shotgun, which really takes away any chance of Flacco throwing to anyone on a streak. Especially with the little time he had in the single back formations.

[Bltravens]

I agree ER20, the way we're using Boldin is absolutely disgusting. Boldin lost it on someone on the sidelines after he dropped a pass last night too and Harbaugh had to calm him down, Im gonna go out on a limb and say it was probably to Cam.

[D-Rey]

Ya, I noticed he got mad at someone.

[Whitty Hutton]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1292355595' post='575349']
Donte is over rated. We have enough toys at receiver than to worry about some idiot like Stallworth.
[/quote]
huh? what did he do to you??

[D-Rey]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1292355595' post='575349']
Donte is over rated. We have enough toys at receiver than to worry about some idiot like Stallworth.
[/quote]
How is he overrated and an idiot. He is really under utilized.

[Perfekt]

To be fair Stallworth is not the only player that we have that we dont use properly.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Whats wrong with the way we use Boldin? Emlighten me.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1292355595' post='575349']
Donte is over rated.[/quote]

Wow, those are some harsh words. How is he overrated? He's been nothing but pleasant since he came to Baltimore. I like this guy, and like ER20, I would love to see him be utilized more to his strenghts. Care to elaborate, or are you just trolling?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1292356476' post='575372']
Whats wrong with the way we use Boldin? Emlighten me.
[/quote]

Q has made a living in the NFL running screens, slants and shallow crossing routes with space cleared out underneath. How often have you seen Q involved in those types of routes(specifically the first two) this season? I've forgotten the amount of fades that have been thrown to him in the end-zone despite that not being his strength and the long stretches where he goes without even seeing a target suggest he isn't being used the right way.

[Twistidfunk]

I think he has been over rated since he was in Philly. So, take a look at Donte Since he left Philly, his last productive season. He was overpaid and hasn't produced, history of injuries, then he kills a guy with his car. Serves not even a full sentence in jail and here is on a Ravens team with more than enough talent at WR. He came very cheap so if I am concerned about Donte getting on the field after all his injuries, being unproductive on recent teams (Patriots in 2007!), off field ****baggery, I really could care less. I'd rather have Anquan and Housh on the field with Mason or hell even give Reed some shots.


[b]New England Patriots
On March 11, 2007, Stallworth agreed to terms with the New England Patriots on a reported six-year deal worth $30 million with $3.5 million guaranteed. The contract was incentive laden, meaning that the Patriots could release him if he underperformed for a small fraction of the full contract.[2] On February 22, 2008, the Patriots declined the option on his contract and he became a free agent.

[edit] Cleveland Browns
On March 1, 2008, Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million deal with the Cleveland Browns.[3] However, he had just 17 catches for 170 yards and one touchdown for the Browns in 2008 and then missed the entire 2009 season after being suspended by the NFL following his conviction on manslaughter charges. On February 8, 2010, after being reinstated by the NFL, the Browns terminated Stallworth's contract.[4]

[edit] Baltimore Ravens
On February 16, 2010, Stallworth signed a one-year, $900,000 deal with the Baltimore Ravens.[5]

On August 28, 2010, Stallworth broke his foot in a preseason game against the New York Giants. Head Coach John Harbaugh stated that this injury is not season-ending and Stallworth should be back after the Ravens' bye week. Stallworth made his return to the active Ravens roster in October, but his highlight of the season came during a game against the Carolina Panthers where he made his first catch as a wide receiver for the franchise during a regular season game.[6]

[edit] Manslaughter charges
On the morning of March 14, 2009, a 2005 Bentley coupé driven by Stallworth struck and killed a pedestrian in Miami Beach, Florida. Stallworth was headed toward the beach when he hit Mario Reyes, 59. Police initially investigated the accident further to see if charges against Stallworth would be warranted.[citation needed]

Stallworth admitted to drinking the night prior to the accident. According to early reports Stallworth was legally drunk at the time of the accident;[7] news sources reported that his blood alcohol content was 0.12, over the nationwide legal limit of 0.08.[8][9] Stallworth claims that he flashed his car's headlights to warn Reyes before striking him.[10] A Miami Beach police report said Reyes was not in a crosswalk on busy MacArthur Causeway when he was struck by the black 2005 Bentley Continental GT driven by Stallworth. Police estimated Stallworth was driving about 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.[11] The construction crane operator was trying to catch a bus home after finishing his shift around 7:15 a.m.[12]

Stallworth was charged with DUI and second degree manslaughter on April 1, 2009; he surrendered to police on April 2, 2009, and was released on $200,000 bail.[13] He pled guilty, and received a sentence of 30 days in jail, plus 1,000 hours of community service, 2 years of house arrest, and 8 years probation.[14] He has also received a life-time suspension of his Florida state driver's license.[15]

On July 10, 2009, Stallworth was released from jail after serving 24 days of a 30-day sentence.

The Associated Press reported on June 16, 2009, that Stallworth and the Reyes family reached a financial agreement, avoiding a civil lawsuit. The amount of the settlement was not disclosed.[16]

On August 13, 2009, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell stated that Stallworth would be suspended for the entire 2009 season without pay. Stallworth was reinstated after Super Bowl XLIV.[17][/b]

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1292357677' post='575409']
I think he has been over rated since he was in Philly. So, take a look at Donte Since he left Philly, his last productive season. He was overpaid and hasn't produced, history of injuries, then he kills a guy with his car. Serves not even a full sentence in jail and here is on a Ravens team with more than enough talent at WR. He came very cheap so if I am concerned about Donte getting on the field after all his injuries, being unproductive on recent teams (Patriots in 2007!), off field ****baggery, I really could care less. I'd rather have Anquan and Housh on the field with Mason or hell even give Reed some shots.
[/quote]

Your personal problems with him aside(justified as they are), the fastest player on the team, who just happens to be an experienced receiver, should be getting more than one target a game.

[Twistidfunk]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292357853' post='575414']
Your personal problems with him aside(justified as they are), the fastest player on the team, who just happens to be an experienced receiver, should be getting more than one target a game.
[/quote]


I think we have more talent elsewhere than to worry about focusing on Stallworth.

With Heap down and our o-line obviously struggling I think it makes more sense to focus on that. We need the Two- TE sets for blocking and dump offs in the flats. Flacco can't get the ball out to Donte on a deep route anyway so what is the point?

Someone here already mentioned getting Q the ball more often on quick slants. Q is a big, fast, tough to take down receiver. Get him the ball. He looks nothing like he did in Arizona.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1292355363' post='575338']
Well when you have all these WR's, the best way to use them is to spread em out and go shotgun. Especially with how easily the Texans were getting pressure.

But Cam rarely uses shotgun, which really takes away any chance of Flacco throwing to anyone on a streak. Especially with the little time he had in the single back formations.
[/quote]

Flacco was 70% from the shotgun.

Why this isn't being utilized more.... Man, I'll never know.

[ravensfan160]

We have too many weapons and Cam simply doesn't know how to utilize them all. Guys are constantly coming in and out of the offense. How can and offense stay in rythm whem on 1st down the WR's are Boldin and Mason, then on 2nd down the receivers are Housh and Stallworth?

Frankly, (especially with Heap out) our base offense should be 3 WR. Those WR should be Boldin, Mason, and Stallworth because those 3 receivers each bring something different to the table and complimnet each other well. There is no place for Housh on this team, he just doesn't fit in, and I think Cam trying to keep him happy is throwing our offense's rythm off.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1292358371' post='575428']
I think we have more talent elsewhere than to worry about focusing on Stallworth.

With Heap down and our o-line obviously struggling I think it makes more sense to focus on that. We need the Two- TE sets for blocking and dump offs in the flats. Flacco can't get the ball out to Donte on a deep route anyway so what is the point?

Someone here already mentioned getting Q the ball more often on quick slants. Q is a big, fast, tough to take down receiver. Get him the ball. He looks nothing like he did in Arizona.
[/quote]

Rice, Q, Mason and Heap(when healthy) are this team's only consistent playmakers so there's no reason why Stallworth shouldn't get a few targets a game.

You're entitled to your opinions but did you even read what I wrote? I specifically said deep routes to Stallworth were [b]not[/b] the only way he should be getting involved.

Q isn't as explosive as he was as a Cardinal but he's still a damn good player.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1292358537' post='575429']
Flacco was 70% from the shotgun.

Why this isn't being utilized more.... Man, I'll never know.
[/quote]
Exactly. I was literally screaming at the television when I saw a single back formation when a blitz was clearly coming.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292358879' post='575437']

Q isn't as explosive as he was as a Cardinal but he's still a damn good player.
[/quote]
I would argue its because we dont utilize him to his ideal strengths. He rarely gets the ball in space to catch and run with it, and rarely gets the ball overtop of the LBs.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1292368725' post='575689']
I would argue its because we dont utilize him to his ideal strengths. He rarely gets the ball in space to catch and run with it, and rarely gets the ball overtop of the LBs.
[/quote]

I won't disagree too much. I'm still wondering how he picked up that first down on his first catch last night. What a player.

Cam's refusal to get him the ball more this year has irked me to no end.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1292368725' post='575689']
I would argue its because we dont utilize him to his ideal strengths. He rarely gets the ball in space to catch and run with it, and rarely gets the ball overtop of the LBs.
[/quote]
I think Cam thinks the same thing too but he had to void his thought and went for something unexpected like "since everyone knows Q's strength is from short or screen passes, why don't I run him deep so I'll be more unpredictable"

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292357205' post='575398']
Q has made a living in the NFL running screens, slants and shallow crossing routes with space cleared out underneath. How often have you seen Q involved in those types of routes(specifically the first two) this season? I've forgotten the amount of fades that have been thrown to him in the end-zone despite that not being his strength and the long stretches where he goes without even seeing a target suggest he isn't being used the right way.
[/quote]
Well I agree with running more slants and screens, but haven't we seen plenty of him running shallow crossing routes?

Well your definitely correct. And we need to find a way to get him the ball even when the defense has supposedly taken him away.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1292373730' post='575787']
Well I agree with running more slants and screens, but [b]haven't we seen plenty of him running shallow crossing routes?[/b]

Well your definitely correct. And we need to find a way to get him the ball even when the defense has supposedly taken him away.
[/quote]

Have we? I haven't seen it many times but maybe Q has run a lot of them but Joe simply didn't throw him the ball. Cam obviously gives Joe a primary read but I don't think a crossing route with Q has been the intended target many times this year.

Regardless, I'm tired of writing.

[JayDaRavensFan]

I've seen Q run a few crossing routes but Joe doesnt throw it to him. Sometimes he ignores the underneath routes and looks downfield too long when he does have time to throw. We used to get on him for checking down too much and now when we have protection issues he doesnt do it enough. I have no idea what Cam is doing with Stallworth but its hard to get a guy involved while seeing like 5 snaps a game. I dont think our offense takes advantage of our personnels strengths.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JayDaRavensFan' timestamp='1292742544' post='579213']
I've seen Q run a few crossing routes but Joe doesnt throw it to him. Sometimes he ignores the underneath routes and looks downfield too long when he does have time to throw. We used to get on him for checking down too much and now when we have protection issues he doesnt do it enough. I have no idea what Cam is doing with Stallworth but its hard to get a guy involved while seeing like 5 snaps a game. I dont think our offense takes advantage of our personnels strengths.
[/quote]

Agreed. I've seen Boldin running underneath routes but not get the ball thrown his way. Hopefully, Joe targets him more next season when the two have more chemistry.

It's going to be tough giving Stallworth more snaps considering the WRs ahead of him and all the other non-passing plays but he should still see more designed plays, if only one or two a game.

I couldn't agree more with your last statement.

[Raven43hike]

I think for the first this year the Ravens went with an empty back field with just tight ends a wide outs I'd like to see more of that ( with Joe in the shotgun of coarse)

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292353752' post='575270']
Before I get to my main point, last night's second half debacle was a complete team effort, save for Koch and Reed.

However, I just have to nitpick about a point discussed yesterday(can't remember in which topic).

Cam said that the team would look to expand Stallworth's role. Direct quotes can be found in [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=1043&line=194991&spln=1"]this link[/url]. Considering the speed Stallworth has shown on reverses and that he's caught the longest pass of the season, you'd think Cam would actually try to make good on his comments. Despite the talk though, [b]all I remember from last night was a deep ball to him. [/b]

Stallworth not catching a pass doesn't fall squarely on Cam's shoulders but for the zillionth time, does he not know how to utilize players with speed other than reverses and deep balls?

I read his comments yesterday and felt I was reading too much into them when he talked about getting Stallworth balls "down the field" but it seems that truly is the [i]only way[/i] he knows how to get speedy players the ball. I have problems with the way Q is used too but is it so hard to get a guy like Donte'the ball in space?
[/quote]

And if I remember correctly, that one deep ball was thrown short. Stallworth had to wait up on it, otherwise it would have been a longer gain and possibly a TD. And I don't think Ray Rice is hitting the holes or making the right cuts in the open field this year at all. For whatever reason, he always seems to cut back inside and run into the first defender he sees. We haven't run the ball nearly as much as I'd like this year, but that's no excuse for not trying hard when we do run the ball.

Cam can call whatever plays you want him to, but if the players can't execute them then it's not going to matter. Yes Flacco can throw the deep ball, he can throw an out route, and sometimes he can even throw a proper screen pass... but the problem is he is entirely too inconsistent. He misses receivers far too often. If the execution isn't there, playcalling really doesn't have a chance.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I think Stallworth is the X FACTOR we fail to exploit every week. I would like to see a burner going deep more often attracting safety help away from Boldin and Rice. Maybe thats too much to ask of Cam.