Jarret Johnson

[Alexir]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292442794' post='576481']
Ravens only had one offensive drive within the third quarter. That's not "plenty".
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What about the 4th, over time? 3rd quarter was Houston domination but Offense was not seen in the second half at all.



Joe is an Elite QB, remember, he should be able to win games in the second half.

[berad]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292442929' post='576483']
[b]What about the 4th, over time?[/b] 3rd quarter was Houston domination but Offense was not seen in the second half at all.



Joe is an Elite QB, remember, he should be able to win games in the second half.
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That wasn't the question. In the entire second half of the game, including overtime, the offense had five drives - but that number includes when they got the ball back with ~20 seconds at the end of the fourth quarter so, really, only four drives. Consider that the offense had seven drives in the first half.

The Ravens' offense did more than enough to win that game. The defense almost let it slip away.

And Joe Flacco played a great game. There's really not much you can say against that.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292354126' post='575292']
I don't see how Ozzie "got greedy". The coaches didn't want him here and Ozzie got what he could for him. While I've seen Barnes make plays as a Charger, maybe the Ravens letting him go wasn't such a bad idea that the Eagles did the same after just a number of games.
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Exactly, sometimes the system a player is in doesn't necessarily put the player in the best position to make plays given his talents. Obviously Mattison's defense is not very creative in blitzes (we've all heard that before) because it relies on one-on-one matchups being won by our players. DC Ron Rivera for the Chargers, it seems, is a little more creative and allows Barnes to get an extra step on an OL, and that extra step is more than enough for Barnes to just rip by and get to the QB

[True]

What the defense did was very uncharacteristic to give up 21 points in the second half. But when you're playing a top 5 offense that is very explosive on both sides of the ball, then it's not totally unexpected, especially when you're in prevent defense. It worked for the 3rd quarter since they held the Texans to only 6 points, but by the 4th quarter they were completely gassed and using a 3 man rush would eventually cause them to falter and give up TDs.

The offense had 4 chances in the second half to even put up a FG but that didn't happen. They were getting blitzed and manhandled by the Texans defense that they had previously owned in the first half. Why did they all of a sudden become inept in the second half after having such a great first half? You don't expect to play only a half of football and then win the game. A 21 point lead seems insurmountable to a team with a weak offense like the Steelers, but that is not a big lead to a Houston team that has a prolific passing game that can lead to either long or quick scores.

The Ravens have only scored 3 points in the second half of the last 3 games. That isn't helpful at all to the defense. Both sides of the ball deserve praise and blame.

[ellicottraven]

I didn't think the day I would agree with you regarding JJ's inept performance would come so soon! However sadly it has... and we need to figure out how to deal with it... but we will as soon as Kindle is ready!

[omar586]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1292353443' post='575257']
It seems to me that the problem with our pass rush rests primarily on one man's shoulders: JJ.

He's been a workhorse for us in the past and he used to be that guy who was in the right place at the right time and didn't give up big plays, but now it seems like he's a step behind whenever the ball comes his way.

Watching him get totally burned to the outside by Foster yesterday and constantly picked by the Texans offensive schemes in the second half really hurt. Suggs was getting pressure so what did they do, roll right toward JJ. I'm really regretting that we bulked Kruger up right now... we NEED someone to seal that edge and Kruger doesn't have the quickness anymore due to the added size.

JJ, you've been good to us, but it's run its course... Why does it seem like we made all the right moves over the offseason but key injuries have left us totally exposed at those positions, i.e. Gaither, Foxworth, Kindle. Running game, Coverage on Elite Receivers, Pass Rush opposite Suggs... it's ridiculous.
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what the heck u talkn about, dude, he's the most consistent guy on that D, yes he's doesn't have sacks, but he pressures QBs and make them pass when they don't want to .

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1292518368' post='577227']
what the heck u talkn about, dude, he's the most consistent guy on that D, yes he's doesn't have sacks, but he pressures QBs and make them pass when they don't want to .
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J.J. is the most "consistent" player on the defense? That's news to me.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1292518368' post='577227']
what the heck u talkn about, dude, he's the most consistent guy on that D, yes he's doesn't have sacks, but he pressures QBs and make them pass when they don't want to .
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Omar Omar Omar.......not even close to being accurate. JJ the most consistent guy on the D?

How about the likes of Ray, Carr and/or Ngata?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1292518368' post='577227']
what the heck u talkn about, dude, he's the most consistent guy on that D, yes he's doesn't have sacks, but he pressures QBs and make them pass when they don't want to .
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Not this year man, he has been the opposite of consistent...hes inconsistent. He plays well against the Bucs and Steelers helping the pass rush, then disappears the next game. He was non existent for the first 10 weeks, yes he was hurt but thats just the truth.

[Ravens Lover]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1292353699' post='575268']
Jarret Johnson is not the kind of guy who should be playing that many snaps. The reason he was playing so horribly was simple exhaustion on those longgggg drives. Did you see him get burned by Schaub on a scrambling play? That was ugly.

Hopefully Kindle could be the answer at OLB next year but we can't really rely on that. I say make Johnson into a two-down kind of LB and start giving more reps to Ayanbadejo, Gooden, and Ellerbe.
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Kindle + Suggs = watchout

[Jamal]

I don't think JJ is breaking down. Hes just having a bad season. We have to remember about the surgery.

The perfect example would be Farrior of the Steelers. He looked terrible at times last year, and it only got worse once Smith was lost for the season. Look at him this year. Big difference now that Troy is back, and he looked even better when Smith was healthy.

Bottom line is, we need a DE who could occupy blocks opposite Ngata, and JJ will be one year removed from the surgery. Plus Kindle can take the 3rd down reps, keeping JJ fresh.

[flynismo]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1292531407' post='577488']<br />Omar Omar Omar.......not even close to being accurate.  JJ the most consistent guy on the D?<br /><br />How about the likes of Ray, Carr and/or Ngata?<br />[/quote]

Johnson IS the most consistent player on our defense. Who else can you count on to suck that badly week in, week out?
Omar 'wins' haha

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1292557287' post='577969']
I don't think JJ is breaking down. Hes just having a bad season. We have to remember about the surgery.

The perfect example would be Farrior of the Steelers. He looked terrible at times last year, and it only got worse once Smith was lost for the season. Look at him this year. Big difference now that Troy is back, and he looked even better when Smith was healthy.

Bottom line is, we need a DE who could occupy blocks opposite Ngata, and JJ will be one year removed from the surgery. Plus Kindle can take the 3rd down reps, keeping JJ fresh.
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Agreed, these last couple years Olineman have being getting to Ray at a ridiculous rate.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1292558400' post='578001']
Agreed, these last couple years Olineman have being getting to Ray at a ridiculous rate.
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A d-lineman and ILB would make a world of difference for JJ as well as Ray.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1292357607' post='575407']
Well considering our defense was on the field for 40+ plays in the second half, how can you not expect them to get tired. [b]This is where having Kindle would be helpful, along with Kruger, to rotate Johnson our every once in a while. The man was gassed.[/b][/quote]

exactly!

[ravensfan160]

Does anyone know what JJ's contract situation is?

[PuRock]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1292598888' post='578182']
Does anyone know what JJ's contract situation is?
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He's set to make 3.5 Million this year, 3.5 Million in 2011. 2012 he will become a free agent.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1292601365' post='578204']
He's set to make 3.5 Million this year, 3.5 Million in 2011. 2012 he will become a free agent.
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That works out well. We'll have all of next year to see what kind of player Kindle is. If he's as good as we all hope he is we probably let JJ walk the following year.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1292605828' post='578253']
That works out well. We'll have all of next year to see what kind of player Kindle is. If he's as good as we all hope he is we probably let JJ walk the following year.
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As much I'm hopeful Kindle can return to the playing field, the team may just cover the bases and draft a rush LB to push J.J.

[macbrak]

meh, JJ was hurt and coming off surgery most of the off season.

[bdravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292607649' post='578287']
As much I'm hopeful Kindle can return to the playing field, the team may just cover the bases and draft a rush LB to push J.J.
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I don't know, I mean he's still only 29, which isn't necessarily young, but definitely not old. As someone said, he came off surgery I believe, and obviously the way it's gone this year, he should realize he needs to improve his endurance and stuff like that.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292442595' post='576478']
Voice of reason? A lot of people have noticed J.J.'s declining play this season.

The team [i]has[/i] brought in players to replace the likes of J.J. and Gregg. Cody is at least a year away from being ready and we all know what happened to Kindle, who may have been starting over J.J. at this point. As for Haruki, he would not be seeing nearly as many snaps on D had Foxworth not gone down.

I agree with you to an extent about Ellerbe. He should be playing over Gooden but if he doesn't know the plays, he'd be a detriment to the team as well.
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There are alot of people in this great country that cannot read the sign that says toilet but they still manage to use it. I think instincts have more to do with the game then alot of people would like to give credit for. Ellerbe is a monster just has a few mental lapses. With that said it doesn't take much know how to get a pass rush or to run down Matt Schaub. This may be the first time we have ever agreed on here. I think i will write this one down......lol

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1292633065' post='578583']
I don't know, I mean he's still only 29, which isn't necessarily young, but definitely not old. As someone said, he came off surgery I believe, and obviously the way it's gone this year, he should realize he needs to improve his endurance and stuff like that.
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30 isn't old but J.J. has never been a dominant player and with him wearing down, he needs a young player to challenge him. Yes, he's coming off shoulder surgery and [i]may[/i] bounce back next season but he'll also be in a contract year. If he struggles, the team will need either Kindle or a rookie to take snaps.

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1292638449' post='578607']
There are alot of people in this great country that cannot read the sign that says toilet but they still manage to use it. I think instincts have more to do with the game then alot of people would like to give credit for. Ellerbe is a monster just has a few mental lapses. With that said it doesn't take much know how to get a pass rush or to run down Matt Schaub. This may be the first time we have ever agreed on here. I think i will write this one down......lol
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LOL Don't be so quick to do that. No, you don't necessarily need instincts to do basic things like run someone down or rush the QB but you do on dozens of other snaps. And your toilet analogy, while funny, still doesn't mean you can get by without knowing plays.

[Ravenseconbeast]

He stunk it up in alot of early games this year, but he came back in focus in past 3 weeks. But yeah, he worries me alot. I can see that he has alot of respect for himself to work hard(again), but he made himself lose a step by relaxing a little too much imo.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1292642632' post='578640']
He stunk it up in alot of early games this year, but he came back in focus in past 3 weeks. But yeah, he worries me alot. I can see that he has alot of respect for himself to work hard(again), but he made himself lose a step by relaxing a little too much imo.
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You think J.J. was "relaxing too much"? How?