Please, No More "rush Three"

[tctony]

Just wondering why people think that rushing three guys helps to combat tiredness?

Uhhhh no. It will increase it. Having your DBs hopelessly chase around receivers for 5-10 seconds...how is that a good idea?

[AsianRice]

Good points from the OP...


I agree no more 3 man rush. If Ngata or Greg or whoever is tired in the 4 man rush formation, just replace the back up. Just make sure you always have 4 man rush. Once in awhile put in SS rush or 6 man rush but don't abuse it.

Just abuse 4 man rush..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1292448288' post='576585']
Good points from the OP...


[b]I agree no more 3 man rush. If Ngata or Greg or whoever is tired in the 4 man rush formation, just replace the back up[/b]. Just make sure you always have 4 man rush. Once in awhile put in SS rush or 6 man rush but don't abuse it.

Just abuse 4 man rush..
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The backups are Cody and McKinney, both of whom are over 340lbs., not exactly known for their stamina and aren't good pass rushers anyway. I'm not excusing the three man rush Mattison used, just trying to argue a point.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292448629' post='576592']
The backups are Cody and McKinney, both of whom are over 340lbs., not exactly known for their stamina and aren't good pass rushers anyway. I'm not excusing the three man rush Mattison used, just trying to argue a point.
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You're right though. You made me miss Barnes

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1292448762' post='576594']
You're right though. You made me miss Barnes
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The [i]team[/i] misses Barnes.

[UMDan]

Rushing three never seems to be too productive for us.. just rushing one more guy helps so much. Hell, we got the pick six when we rushed four. Why? Because Schaub was about to be pounded into the ground by Ngata which would have given the Ravens a safety and the win. Only one more guy brings so much more pressure to the QB it's ridiculous. I think rushing four is the way to go, and many of the other points made in the lead post explain why rushing three does nothing for us.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1292428256' post='576255']
who is miss communication? Is she hawt?

Lemme ask you a question. How good is Carr, Webb and Wilson? I hope that your answer is "the best trio of CB in the NFL" because if we blitz 5 all three of them are going to be playing one on one every time we send in 5.
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yea she is hooooot. lolol

Not all of them would be alone, we could have a safety in the back and an extra man to double coverage Andrea johnson or just have two safeties for over the top and our db s play man coverage. It was done a few time that game with good outcome.(the one time it was messed up was when Reed came inside instead of playing above Johnson, i know he was trying to make a play on the ball but it is what it is). Im not saying do it everytime ,but my main concern is the 3 man rush, like i said atleast 4 , maybe 5 at times. just never a full out blitz. and if we were to full out blitz , those corners better do some serious press coverage.

[omar586]

after watching nfl replay, when ever we rushed 4 or more we get either a incomplete or a dropped pass, when ever we rushed 3, always long completions

[ellicottraven]

Please apply for our D coordinator's job! We need you badly!!! You are absolutely right though...

[ravens13]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1292428866' post='576265']
no, it isn't lol ... Just some quote from an unknown source.

But I know what you are saying. Sometimes the 3 man rush is ineffective. More often than not though, it is. You ever notice the only time people make a big deal out of it is if our defense has a bad game?
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The quote is from Einstein. I wonder if he's interested in a coaching job.

[minford]

My question is, whats the deal w/ Cody? He recorded 1 tackle and 1 assist vs the Texans, and nothing before that until the Atlanta game.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='minford' timestamp='1292519813' post='577243']
My question is, whats the deal w/ Cody? He recorded 1 tackle and 1 assist vs the Texans, and nothing before that until the Atlanta game.
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Cody is a run-stuffer and with how much the Texans threw the ball, especially in the second, he wasn't going to be a factor. He has a lot to learn, as Harbaugh has said before, and conditioning is an issue which partly explains why he didn't do much in the three previous games.

[minford]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292521342' post='577261']
Cody is a run-stuffer and with how much the Texans threw the ball, especially in the second, he wasn't going to be a factor. He has a lot to learn, as Harbaugh has said before, and conditioning is an issue which partly explains why he didn't do much in the three previous games.
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I can't imagine conditioning still being an issue this deep into the season. But you may be right, he probably is still adapting to the NFL game.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravens13' timestamp='1292514218' post='577199']<br />The quote is from Einstein. I wonder if he's interested in a coaching job.<br />[/quote]

its also attributed to benjamin franklin and several other people ...nobody knows who really said it, but I'm sure whoever did could probably outcoach Cam.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='minford' timestamp='1292521494' post='577263']
I can't imagine conditioning still being an issue this deep into the season. But you may be right, he probably is still adapting to the NFL game.
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Remember, he hurt his knee during the second pre-season game and didn't see the field again till Week 4 of the regular season after he had surgery. He likely wasn't working on conditioning during that time and while he's been active every game since, I doubt he's been able to get in relatively good shape since then too.

This off-season will be huge for him. He'll probably need to lose some more weight, add muscle and get fit.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1292352577' post='575215']
The Texans had two long touchdown drives in the 4th quarter on our defense, and what were we doing? Rushing three every time. No surprise that we got dominated, gassed, and winded.

Rushing only three is extremely ineffective for a number of reasons.

1) [u]No pressure.[/u]

2) [u]Why have Ngata and Suggs if they're going to be double-teamed on every play?[/u]

3) [u]Rushing with four is twice as effective.[/u]

4) [u]Our team is getting winded.[/u]

5) [u]We are rendering Ed Reed useless.[/u]

6) [u]You don't have to blitz to bring pressure.[/u]

[/quote]
thankyou!!! now hopefully someone will listen..... not diggin on mattison lately

[bpytnjr58]

According to a conversation i heard on SIRUS NFL radio the other day and i do not recall the "experts" but they said Mattison has no faith in his rush defense and has to use the 3-4 so he does not get burned up field. I do not know if that is true or not but it was their opinon.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1292523918' post='577315']
According to a conversation i heard on SIRUS NFL radio the other day and i do not recall the "experts" but they said Mattison has no faith in his rush defense and [b]has to use the 3-4 so he does not get burned up field.[/b] I do not know if that is true or not but it was their opinon.
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Lol, but that's exactly what happens.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1292523918' post='577315']
According to a conversation i heard on SIRUS NFL radio the other day and i do not recall the "experts" but they said Mattison has no faith in his rush defense and has to use the 3-4 so he does not get burned up field. I do not know if that is true or not but it was their opinon.
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Mattison clearly has a different philosophy than Rex Ryan in that regard but they basically produce the same results.

[i]Ryans philosophy[/i] - if corners can't cover for long then bring pressure to force QB to throw quickly. However if blitz is picked up we can give up big plays downfield.

[i]Mattison's philosophy[/i] - if corners can't cover for long then give them help by dropping LB's. However if 3 man rush can't apply pressure than QB will have plenty of time to find a hole and beat you downfield.

Personally, I preferred Ryan's style. If we go down at least we go down swinging.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1292522151' post='577283']
thankyou!!! now hopefully someone will listen..... not diggin on mattison lately
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holy crap, where have you been? I thought they musta traded you as part of the Clayton deal lol