Ed Reed

[reediddy]

I know I might get some flak for creating such a thread but after watching today's performance and all the big plays we gave up in the passing game I think it's worth pondering. Ed is clearly not Ed back there against the elite passing games.

Do you think it might be because he is still recovering from his injury? Possible.

Is it possible he is a little overrated? I don't really think so because his results speak for themselves, but he's a gambler in the secondary, and these are educated gambles because he studies film so much and understands the tendencies of the opposing QB's and WR's. However, sometimes he overpursues, or plays the wrong coverage completely, and that jeopardizes our deep coverage and allows for teams to get the big play through the air against us. Of course, in the end I think our passing game is better with him, but he makes his share of bad plays, which shouldn't happen.

Or do you think neither apply? I would lean more here because I think his greatness directly a result of pressure and forcing the QB into making the bad throw. When the bad throw is made, dude is a ballhawk and will be right there for the pick.

Hoping for this to turn into a healthy discussion and not result in me getting super-neg'd.

[AZravensfan]

I am voting neither. As far as im concerned we play prevent defense(conservative offense) way too early in games. Seemed like at the end of the second quarter with a 21-0 lead we started the whole conservative/prevent defense. That is not the fault of anyone in our secondary but when you give a QB as much time as shaub had then your going to give up a ton of yardage.

He is definitely not overrated. I don't think he is still injured either.

[SuRihtanil]

Bad choices happen to us all I have seen Troy Polamalu get burnt on bad nights. However our defense looked kinda bad tonight... I mean if it wasn't for Wilson's lucky pick 6 we might have lost. We can't play like we did tonight against the Saints or we will lose. We have lost to major contenders this year and if we don't beat the Saints I feel like we will never make it through the tough playoff road we're setup on, but that's just my 2 cents.

[TXRaven]

Your kidding right. It was not Reeds best game but Ed Reed will gamble, We know this. He wins more times than not but last night he lost and Johnson beat him over the top. He bit on Shaub running assuming he pulled the ball down. Give shaub credit for keeping the play alive and finding Johnson.

[Conrad The Crazed]

I'm voting neither as well. I think the immediate detrimental effects of the injury/surgery are over with (i.e. pain). I'm afraid the problem is that there is no way for Ed to return to 100%. Honestly, Ed looks substantially slower than he has in past years, and he's displayed an alarming trend towards the all-too familiar 'hand-slap' tackling technique...where you try and bring down the opponent by slapping at his shoulder pads. We all know this is not Ed Reed football.

Throw in the fact that our smurf-like DB's are a cast of average players (I have hopes that Wilson will keep improving, and Webb has shown signs of greatness only to get turbo-smoked a play or two later)....and we begin to see how Reed's work is certainly cut out for him. I seem to recall some scuttlebutt (so take that for what its worth) over the summer that Ed was considering retirement. He may have known up front that he would not be able to play 100% again.

Bottom line: Ed's best days are apparently behind him. I highly suggest we hire him as a secondary coach when he retires.

[SuRihtanil]

Ed has only played 7 games this year? He already has 22 solo tackles and 4 picks. If he had played every game his stats would be normal as normal gets with Ed Reed.

[The Raven]

Idk if its a bad game or what, but Ed can and needs to do better. If I remember right, two of the TDs were right in his zone, and on another one he had left a guy uncovered.

[ravenanchors]

Since Reed returned from injury he has not been the same player.
The game against Houston is not the only game he has not played well.
In fact he is almost alway's late getting to the receiver.
I don't think he is injured or overrated, he is just too old.

[Shammy]

i wouldnt say hes overrated .. but hes a few years past his prime .. hes still an outstanding player but like ray lewis hes not really a huge game changer anymore and you cant really rely so heavily on him

[FerrariFan87]

Yeah, Reed looked terrible last night, and if he plays like that against the Saints, we'll get run out of our own stadium. He needs to step up.

[I AM LEGEND]

Reed has lots of games where he looks terrible...he plays high risk high reward..the same thing I pointed out last year that had everyone's panties in a bunch..I actually don't mind him playing that way this year as opposed to last year considering I like the Webb/Wilson combo more then the Washington and foxworth...

[AwakenTheDemon]

Like I said in the game thread, when it comes to Ed, it's feast or famine at times. But let's be honest, his pros vastly outweigh the cons. There's a reason this guy is a future hall of famer. Yeah, he gambles at times, but that's just how he plays. What it ultimately comes down to is our defense is better with him than without him.

[rlh445]

Aaaand, I'm officially going on record as stating that ATD is insane. As many games that Reed has saved for us, I'm willing to say yes, he had a bad game but it doesn't mean he's 'overrated' (which quite frankly is just an insane notion) and I don't think his injury is bothering him. He only got beat on the TD to Johnson, and that's because he was worried about Schaub making it to the second level. He clearly underestimated Schaub's throwing on the run ability. It happens, Reed knew he messed up, and that's that.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='AZravensfan' timestamp='1292323812' post='574409']
I am voting neither. As far as im concerned we play prevent defense(conservative offense) way too early in games. Seemed like at the end of the second quarter with a 21-0 lead we started the whole conservative/prevent defense. That is not the fault of anyone in our secondary but when you give a QB as much time as shaub had then your going to give up a ton of yardage.

He is definitely not overrated. I don't think he is still injured either.
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Coaching period

[1/28/01]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1292336338' post='574610']
Aaaand, I'm officially going on record as stating that ATD is insane. As many games that Reed has saved for us, I'm willing to say yes, he had a bad game but it doesn't mean he's 'overrated' (which quite frankly is just an insane notion) and I don't think his injury is bothering him. He only got beat on the TD to Johnson, and that's because he was worried about Schaub making it to the second level. He clearly underestimated Schaub's throwing on the run ability. It happens, Reed knew he messed up, and that's that.
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I guess you don't realize that you and ATD are pretty much agreeing with each other......

[bmorefan444]

Ed Reed didn't play well last night. He looks like he needs a week off to just gather himself. He wasn't there and we reallly could've used his play-making ability last night. Come on Ed

[Guest RBates]

Someone get me Zibby's stats. Are we even having this conversation?

[TSizzle00]

Landry has given up 3 TDs in the redzone because of his soft tackling and hes healthy and had all of training camp. Reed had a tough game. Troy did nothing in the Saints and Patriot game. Players have bad games.

[rlh445]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1292337200' post='574636']
I guess you don't realize that you and ATD are pretty much agreeing with each other......
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I really didn't..probably because I'd never suggest that Reed was overrated.

[Twistidfunk]

I said neither. The defense was gassed. Those guys could barely stand up much less try and move a 300 lb linemen or continue chasing Andre Johnson and that #12 who had quite the legs last night. Not the best hands the whole game but he made the big catches when he needed to.

[H8R]

he's just now getting out of training camp.....

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1292340770' post='574776']
Landry has given up 3 TDs in the redzone because of his soft tackling and hes healthy and had all of training camp. Reed had a tough game. Troy did nothing in the Saints and Patriot game. Players have bad games.
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This

[-Truth-]

Neither. Did Reed have a shaky performance against Houston? Certainly. But this was one of, if not the only game of the Season in which he did not perform up to his expectations. And I believe that in another thread the OP stated that our Defensive performance was disgraceful because we faced the Texans, whose Offense isn't of the same caliber as the Patriots. In reality, the Texans have the RB with the most Rushing Yards in the NFL and the WR with the 4th most Receiving Yards, coupled with last Seasons league leading QB in terms of Passing Yards. They're actually ranked two spots higher than the Patriots in terms of Offensive Yards, so IMO, they were at least just as dangerous in this department as any team we've faced up to this point.

[True]

Reed had a bad game, but so did everyone else on defense.

They looked like they all needed oxygen masks at the end of the game.

[Alexir]

Can the 2 people who voted Ed Reed is overrated let me know who you are so I can go ahead and add you to the ignore list.[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/baltimore-ravens.gif[/img]

[reediddy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292350014' post='575119']
Can the 2 people who voted Ed Reed is overrated let me know who you are so I can go ahead and add you to the ignore list.[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/baltimore-ravens.gif[/img]
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hahaha! Well I'll assure you it wasn't me. But the context in which I say overrated isn't to say he isn't a great player any more but rather in the same context that we refer to Ray Ray, where yes of course he will still make a huge impact but he's getting there in age so moments of impact are few and far between. At this point in time we as fans may at times put him too high up on a pedestal thinking, in essence, when Reed is patrolling the secondary there will be NO deep pass plays against our defense. Simply not the case anymore. It used to be (remember the whole 'water covers 90% of the Earth, ER covers the last 10). So I just want to clarify that "overrated" might've been a little out of context.

[gabefergy]

this thread makes me sigh. Reed didnt have a great game, it happens. How many times has he stepped up and won games for the Ravens?

The real problem is the offense that cant stay on the field for longer than 3 minutes at a time. Our O-line will be this teams downfall

[reediddy]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1292349612' post='575099']
Neither. Did Reed have a shaky performance against Houston? Certainly. But this was one of, if not the only game of the Season in which he did not perform up to his expectations. And I believe that in another thread the OP stated that our Defensive performance was disgraceful because we faced the Texans, whose Offense isn't of the same caliber as the Patriots. In reality, the Texans have the RB with the most Rushing Yards in the NFL and the WR with the 4th most Receiving Yards, coupled with last Seasons league leading QB in terms of Passing Yards. They're actually ranked two spots higher than the Patriots in terms of Offensive Yards, so IMO, they were at least just as dangerous in this department as any team we've faced up to this point.
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Correct, I did question the performance against the Texans. But it was the TEAM performance that I thought was disgraceful. The fact that we once again build a lead and squander it to a less-than-elite team is worrying. I concede that yes this was essentially their season on the line, so they came out and played their best half of football the entire year.

[ryan23945]

overrated hahaha wow

[ravenanchors]

Reed has had a lot of bad games this year.
He is not helping the team with the way he plays.
The statement that with Ed it is either Feast or Famine, well lets just say we are starving to death.

Ed is too old to be effective playing the way he did when he was young. He is not fast enough anymore.

He had a great run but the Ravens need new blood. Hang his jersey in the stadium and retire his number.